# Liquid Lust holy grail mix: stunning results on two women in a single day **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 14, 2006, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420 "2006-06-14T04:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/543 "2009-05-04T20:47:52Z")
Only way it will hurt it is with diffusion I’m guessing (and as a pheromone stench cover.) > [@djandarial](#): > > MX292 is scented, and that adds to it’s effectiveness… I wonder if unscented would hurt this mix? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/544 "2009-05-04T21:37:44Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Exactly. MHarris’ view on TAL worn by men (and he really is the pheromone god lol) is that the mcg of the molecule should be less than the mcg of the masculine molecules in the mix. i.e. 5mcg none, 2.5mcg TAL, or 100mcg rone, 30mcg TAL, etc, etc. This conflicts with the ‘1mcg of TAL period’ calculation. > > MHarris recommended TAL to me as a way to combat any reserved-ness caused by the high none in MX292 (or other none products). My order should be here tomorrow and it’s a 2.5mcg bottle. I’m going to keep with small, half sprays at first because I know I’m dealing with a female pheromone which has the potential to turn me into an androgynous blob if too much is used, however I’m more inclined to believe that 1mcg would have a different effect when paired with various doses of none. Hence, there can be no universal ‘sweet spot’ for a molecule, because the combination of other molecules dramatically changes the dynamic. You are absolutely right. I can wear 25 mcg of [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) by itself, which is a sweet spot for that individual molecule. Pair it with -none and TAC and it automatically goes down to low dose amounts. Every mix will alter the amount of mones one can wear in that mix. Good analogy Wild. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/545 "2009-05-04T21:42:23Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Kidney, check. That’ll buy you a couple ounces of PS Revision 0, I think. > > If I gave out the formula for PS, you still would have a hell of a time making it. It’s so complex and precise that not even Androtics can make it to the full precision I calculated it to. And I sure as hell can’t make it myself… > > I know you guys want it. I have to talk to a couple of VIPs before I make the MX pack available though. I know we spent hours on the phone only to determine it cannot be done by any mere mortal man. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/546 "2009-05-04T22:18:04Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > If your product works the way it seems to be according to what I read in to your assesment of the testing reports it may well be worth it’s weight in gold. After all you see some high-end perfumes that can set you back 3 figures an ounce. > > Of course one thing I know I would be interested in is the target age ranges for users and their “targets.” Being an old fart I could use all the help I can get. > 😛 > > One of the few requests I would make is that you aim for at least one “unscented” version. My primary gripe with a number of commercial products is that I’m not overly wild about the chosen cover scents. I’m personally leaning more and more toward going with unscented (ie no added cover scent) products. I have found some products whose scents I do like, but I still opt to go for both a scented and unscented version if available. If nothing else it gives me more flexibility, and a chance to determine how much affect each part of the product plays ie is it the pheromone mix or does the cover have an effect as well. After all , if the stuff reeks as far as your target audience is concerned they aren’t going to stick around to inhale the pheromones… > > . To be honest with you… I would dearly love to be able to offer it unscented. That would make me so happy you can’t believe. But there is one critical challenge I face, and that is… diffusion speeds. There are a lot of different pheromones in Panty Scorcher and they fall into three groups when it comes to diffusion. Those that will evaporate in a flash, those that will not evaporate without help, and those that fall somewhere in the middle. These three groups must be balanced as best it can be done so that you don’t end up with critical pheromones missing after just a couple hours. Therefore, some sort of fixative and diffusion balancer is critical. And so far, as far as I know, there’s no such thing as a scentless one. Therefore, a scent is required. I went with Game scent for the preliminary tests because it was recommended as eing the best balancer for diffusion and expression. In Round 2, I’ll be using Akuto scent, because I think that will better match the effects both in what it says and how it smells. I want it to be as classy, sexy and pleasant as possible. I’d prefer it unscented myself… but unless you know of a scentless fixative… I can’t help you. Or me, for that matter, since I prefer unscented as well. Oh, and by the way, “target age ranges” - the first round of tests showed that significant responses were seem from females ranging from 15 to 65. Beyond that, I can’t really draw statistically valid conclusions because my testers were not spread out much in age range themselves. I’m hoping to test age response more in Phase 2. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/547 "2009-05-05T01:15:50Z")
Can you provide any data on the age range of the testers? As an old fart, I’m interested in seeing if age of the wearer has any significance. I know some have said that androstenone production drops off as one ages, but I’m not so sure. I got some real negative “defensive” reactions from at least one of my female friends (age about 35) when I tested a mere 2 drops of Primal Instinct, so either I may be producing a fair amount of androstenone still, or she was just extrememly sensitive. Or a combo of the two. And let’s just say I saw my 50th BD some time ago… (On the other hand, she has not been as defensive with any other androstenone containing product I’ve tried around her. And the one time I gave myself a couple of shots of TUTH and spent a goodly amount of time with her in an enclosed car she fell asleep… 😮) ---
**Author:** ![Ball.Saxbury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ball.saxbury/32/1063_2.png) [@Ball.Saxbury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ball.Saxbury)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/548 "2009-05-05T01:24:33Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Can you provide any data on the age range of the testers? As an old fart, I’m interested in seeing if age of the wearer has any significance. I know some have said that androstenone production drops off as one ages, but I’m not so sure. I got some real negative “defensive” reactions from at least one of my female friends (age about 35) when I tested a mere 2 drops of Primal Instinct, so either I may be producing a fair amount of androstenone still, or she was just extrememly sensitive. Or a combo of the two. And let’s just say I saw my 50th BD some time ago… > > (On the other hand, she has not been as defensive with any other androstenone containing product I’ve tried around her. And the one time I gave myself a couple of shots of TUTH and spent a goodly amount of time with her in an enclosed car she fell asleep… > 😮) Just wanted to note that Primal Instinct is 25 mcg per single drop of androstenone - that’s 10 sprays of Turn up the Heat equivalent. Two drops would send anybody into OD levels, regardless of how much or how little -none they naturally produce. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/549 "2009-05-05T02:45:10Z")
Catlord, there was a user who used to post here named Daedelus76 who was experimenting with a perfumery fixative called Glucam P-20. Do you think that might be a possible solution for making an unscented mix? Here’s a page with some info links if you care to have a look: [The Perfumer’s Apprentice - Glucam P-20](http://www.perfumersapprentice.com/Aromachemicals/glucam.html) -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/550 "2009-05-05T18:49:34Z")
> [@Ball.Saxbury](#): > > Just wanted to note that Primal Instinct is 25 mcg per single drop of androstenone - that’s 10 sprays of Turn up the Heat equivalent. Two drops would send anybody into OD levels, regardless of how much or how little -none they naturally produce. Could be. It was so long ago (a couple of years) I’ve forgotten the exact PI dosage I used. May have “only” been one drop. I do recall trying (I think) 1 drop PI but with 1-2 drops of a314 along with it and I don’t recall as bad a reaction. That test was about a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/551 "2009-05-05T20:24:36Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Can you provide any data on the age range of the testers? As an old fart, I’m interested in seeing if age of the wearer has any significance. I know some have said that androstenone production drops off as one ages, but I’m not so sure. I got some real negative “defensive” reactions from at least one of my female friends (age about 35) when I tested a mere 2 drops of Primal Instinct, so either I may be producing a fair amount of androstenone still, or she was just extrememly sensitive. Or a combo of the two. And let’s just say I saw my 50th BD some time ago… > > (On the other hand, she has not been as defensive with any other androstenone containing product I’ve tried around her. And the one time I gave myself a couple of shots of TUTH and spent a goodly amount of time with her in an enclosed car she fell asleep… > 😮) The ages of the testers ran from 18 through I believe 42. Most were between 18 and 23. One was female. All were heterosexual except one, who was bisexual. 70% reported very positive and (in several cases, hard to believe) results. 20% reported results, but not terribly impressive results. 10% reported very few results at all. All testers had genuine PS; no placebos were used in Phase 1 testing, which I decided to do to speed up testing and get a faster initial estimate of whether this was even worth testing. Results were predominantly very positive, and in many cases, difficult to believe. There were two testers who got results, but not amazing results, and one who got very little in the way of results. The results for R0 seem very dependent on what you do with the effects this mix causes. If you sit back and watch, they may stare, but are not likely to ravage you. If you engage them properly, the results will usually flow. PS seems to be surprisingly good, but not a miracle. More than one of my testers (not all of whom are here, btw) have told me that it is “worth its weight in gold” to them, for the effects - not the cost. My investment partner told me that if I told the guys he gave it to for testing that they could not have any more, and they knew where I was, they would basically make it happen by any means necessary. I thought he was joking… apparently he was not, because he has kept my identity a secret from them. I look forward to seeing what it does for the lot of you as an MX. Testers, you are welcome to chime in with your own results at this time. Thank you for your help. (And please remember than only four of my ten testers were here on Androtics.) I have given permission for Androtics to release the MX pack. It should have four MX’s in it, if things go the way I was hoping. There is a hold-up on one specific ingredient, however, and that ingredient is very important. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/552 "2009-05-05T20:25:54Z")
> [@data4](#): > > Catlord, there was a user who used to post here named Daedelus76 who was experimenting with a perfumery fixative called Glucam P-20. Do you think that might be a possible solution for making an unscented mix? Here’s a page with some info links if you care to have a look: > > [The Perfumer’s Apprentice - Glucam P-20](http://www.perfumersapprentice.com/Aromachemicals/glucam.html) > > -D4 Thank you for the link. I’ll have to bring this to the attention of the peoples behind the scenes. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/553 "2009-05-05T21:26:56Z")
So of the MX pack, is it going to be 4 different variants, 1 variant and 3 placebo’s, or “a secret.” ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/554 "2009-05-05T22:59:40Z")
> [@marty](#): > > So of the MX pack, is it going to be 4 different variants, 1 variant and 3 placebo’s, or “a secret.” The MX pack, if released according to my requests, will have four MXs. I will not say how many of them are versions of PS. But judging from the results most of my previous testers have seen, it won’t be too difficult to figure out. lol ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/555 "2009-05-06T00:24:52Z")
“Testers, you are welcome to chime in with your own results at this time. Thank you for your help.” LOL 4 people from here? ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/556 "2009-05-06T00:42:17Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > “Testers, you are welcome to chime in with your own results at this time. Thank you for your help.” > > LOL 4 people from here? Yes. Isn’t that what I said? Feel free to share your results. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/557 "2009-05-06T01:53:47Z")
…oh my journal will be updated shortly then… ---
**Author:** ![txironhead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/txironhead/32/595_2.png) [@txironhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/txironhead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/558 "2009-05-06T05:24:04Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > 10% reported very few results at all. That was probably me. But I do have a uniquely difficult situation. Anyway, my reports are now available for public viewing [here](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/txironheads-adventures-in-pheromoneland/27438/4). ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/559 "2009-05-08T19:56:23Z")
That was you. 🙂 A shame it didn’t do more to help. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/560 "2009-05-08T20:01:32Z")
Hopefully I will be able to post some of the more positive results soon as well. I’m awaiting the reports in a usable format. For me, PS R0 works beautifully. I get a very strong mix of self confidence, celebrity treatment, and major attraction. For the celebrity effects alone, it’s worth it’s weight in gold to me. Yesterday I landed a new model because of it, and the day before that I got into a botanical garden for $93 less than I should have (pro photographers pay a $100 membership fee) and got a personal tour of the grounds as well by a guy who was just thrilled to death to be giving me the tour, as if I was the President or something. My bank teller was seriously flirting with me… she was late 30’s India Indian. The effects on women are major attraction, major arousal, and major interest in most cases. The effects on men are to literally outclass the low self esteem ones right out of my presence, become the Leader of Men to most of the rest, and the equal of the top dogs. The effect is so organic that you really don’t notice it until later… usually I have butterflies in my stomach approaching people I don’t know… I do it anyway, but the butterflies don’t help. But approaching my new model and her sister at the beach was no sweat. If you like the status effects of A314, you’ll really like the status effects of PS. Think of it like A314 is serious, which gets you status and respect. PS makes you seem simply awesome… which gets you status and respect. One tester told me, “The more I wear, the more people love me.” That is true to a point… 4 sprays is kinda pushing it for most people, and 5 sprays is over the top. That’s not because of OD, though. It’s because the pheromone cloud gets to be so huge that they stand around dazed and don’t know who it’s coming from. Most of my testers who report positive results in the “hard to believe” range were wearing 3-4 sprays. Calculator indicates that between 1 and 4 sprays is best, and 3 sprays is probably going to be optimal. That’s how I designed it, actually… to be used at a dose of 2-3 sprays. I have to say that I am noticing that PS seems to be extremely arousing. I have noticed once, and I have another tester who noticed once, a woman take her wedding ring off her ring finger and put it on her middle finger after being exposed for a while… and I have had women tell me they were single when I found out later that they were most definitely not. These are not things a woman does if she isn’t seriously interested. So while I did not expect everyone to get great results, I have to say that I am really pleased with the effects it has had. Now the reverse testing begins. That’s when the guys who have been going crazy using it to bed every girl they come across, don’t have it anymore… and they start seeing just what it was doing (as if they didn’t know) because of what’s no longer happening. lol Hopefully I’ll be getting R1 soon, and the second phase of testing can begin. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/561 "2009-05-08T22:14:12Z")
that’s about the size of it. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/562 "2009-05-08T22:57:43Z")
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