# Long range attraction? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 27, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501 "2017-11-27T05:26:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/1 "2017-11-27T05:26:29Z")
It’s been a while but I’m back 😃. Anyways, I have a convention coming up in a few weeks and I know for a fact that LOTS of women(18-30) are gonna be there. Does anyone know of any mones or mixes that would work in some hits in maybe a 10 ft radius? Its weird to ask but its a perfect testing environment. I wanna stick out like a sore thumb xD. So far the only one I know of that might be fun to try is p86 so I’m all ears ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/2 "2017-11-27T11:35:30Z")
Keep your mix simple/direct and dose a bit above your sweet spot. Crowds/conventions/festivals etc are not the place for complex/subtle or nuanced mixes. Give’em both barrels instead! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/3 "2017-11-27T14:37:46Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Keep your mix simple/direct and dose a bit above your sweet spot. > > Crowds/conventions/festivals etc are not the place for complex/subtle or nuanced mixes. > > Give’em both barrels instead! 😃 I definitely agree with keeping it simple. Honestly, outside of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)+IS, I don’t like mixing stuff. But what I was asking was which mones specifically would you guys use? I know socials have a bigger cloud but I’m looking for something with a lil more attraction. I ask because I like Ammo but my sweet spot is 2 sprays and I OD at 3. So dosing above aint gonna fly. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/4 "2017-11-27T16:21:28Z")
As you already have P86 on your mind, then Ammo/P86 would seem a good combination to me, esp as P86 does seem to have fast response aspects - Try just going a half spray over if three sprays is too much. ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/5 "2017-11-27T18:36:02Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > As you already have P86 on your mind, then Ammo/P86 would seem a good combination to me, esp as P86 does seem to have fast response aspects - Try just going a half spray over if three sprays is too much. Actually its a bit of a toss between p86 and A314b. I can only get one and I’ve been wanting to try both for ages. I was hoping to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. But I will try the half ammo 2.5 spray. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![prettyrickyboi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/prettyrickyboi/32/1308_2.png) [@prettyrickyboi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prettyrickyboi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/6 "2017-11-27T19:10:37Z")
> [@MediocreMorsov](#): > > Actually its a bit of a toss between p86 and A314b. I can only get one and I’ve been wanting to try both for ages. I was hoping to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. But I will try the half ammo 2.5 spray. Thanks again. What’s your ethnicity? ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/7 "2017-11-27T19:31:41Z")
> [@prettyrickyboi](#): > > What’s your ethnicity? I’m black 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/8 "2017-11-27T22:58:25Z")
Ammo with a little A314 behind it is a proven formula on a younger man and Ammo/P86 is a fast-hitting all-rounder, so its up to you really. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/9 "2017-11-28T05:43:11Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Ammo with a little A314 behind it is a proven formula on a younger man and Ammo/P86 is a fast-hitting all-rounder, so its up to you really. 🙂 I hate to get specific but when you say a little do you mean just 1 spray or even less than that? Also, assuming you’ve tried it, how long did the ammo/p86 last for you? I looked up the mix and people haven’t really tried this combo(or at least reported on it). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/10 "2017-11-28T11:03:17Z")
With Ammo/a314 on a younger guy, then yes Ammo is the primary and A314 used in the lower proportion to underline/round-out the Ammo sig but not overpower it - So yes, I would start with one drop of oil or spray of the \b (esp in a larger space/more open environment) to two sprays of Ammo and take it from there. P86 is more a secondary used to bring its unique properties to Ammo - And those tend to hit hard and fast but you will need to do a bit of work to find your sweet spot with P86. 20-50 mcg seems to be most people’s range, depending on the overtness (None proportion) of the primary. So Ammo will likely be at the lower end, TUTH in the middle and IJ at the higher end of the scale. Most of the reporting on this one seems to have been coralled in the Putatives Subforum now and there has not been quite as much interest shown in it compared to a few years ago but IMO P86 is right up there with some the most valuable steering mones - ie P83, P93, P96, [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/), TAC ---
**Author:** ![prettyrickyboi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/prettyrickyboi/32/1308_2.png) [@prettyrickyboi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prettyrickyboi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/11 "2017-11-28T14:59:34Z")
> [@MediocreMorsov](#): > > I’m black 😃 I’ve found I need less Ammo and more -RONE (A314) with my ethnicity. I OD on -NONE easily I’ve ordered a P86 alternative from another place so I’ll see how it goes with A314 and Ammo. ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/12 "2017-11-28T15:42:22Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > With Ammo/a314 on a younger guy, then yes Ammo is the primary and A314 used in the lower proportion to underline/round-out the Ammo sig but not overpower it - So yes, I would start with one drop of oil or spray of the \b (esp in a larger space/more open environment) to two sprays of Ammo and take it from there. > > P86 is more a secondary used to bring its unique properties to Ammo - And those tend to hit hard and fast but you will need to do a bit of work to find your sweet spot with P86. 20-50 mcg seems to be most people’s range, depending on the overtness (None proportion) of the primary. So Ammo will likely be at the lower end, TUTH in the middle and IJ at the higher end of the scale. > > Most of the reporting on this one seems to have been coralled in the Putatives Subforum now and there has not been quite as much interest shown in it compared to a few years ago but IMO P86 is right up there with some the most valuable steering mones - ie P83, P93, P96, P130, TAC Ok perfect because, from what I gather, anything over a spray of A314 would just make things way too serious for me. But slightly related, I do have p96. If I were to pair that with A314, would it kinda act the way ammo would(as in lowering some of the intimidation and adding some attraction to a314)? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/13 "2017-11-28T16:26:45Z")
The Alphanol in Ammo would brighten/weaken the A314 a bit but despite this you would still have an underlying layer of status/value and stability. Unlike many other A314 mixes, this is one that has been proven to be very effective on younger guys. P96/A314 is indeed a great mix but its more a long term/repeat exposure thing to get full effect as it maximises the attractive/bonding/fallout properties of the A314. I wouldn’t really choose it where I wanted hard and fast results. Also, A314 only has trace levels of None, so P96’s property of easing the none response would be largely absent - unless you added-in another sexual. In fact the situation I would use that mix is in a hard-hitting/mature sexual status mix with A314 and 5.mcg TUTH - although it would be a close-run thing between P96 and P83, which is IMO maybe better for more immediate disinhibition. I wouldn’t expect the mix to be much use around women under thirty though but you do find occasional exceptions. Ammo/P96 - that’s also a goer. [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/P96 has had very interesting effects on young women for me. A bit too young women for me really, so I’ve not pushed things beyond light flirting but if there is attraction/horniness there, it certainly helps get it out in the open! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/14 "2017-11-28T19:44:56Z")
> [@prettyrickyboi](#): > > I’ve found I need less Ammo and more -RONE (A314) with my ethnicity. > I OD on -NONE easily > I’ve ordered a P86 alternative from another place so I’ll see how it goes with A314 and Ammo. Ok now that’s interesting. I think I’m about to buy my first a314b so I’ll see what happens there. By the way, ethnically speaking, what kind of girls have you noticed your A314 or A314 based mixes attracting? I tend to notice that I get alot of hispanic girls attention when I’m wearing stronger mones. Oh and yeah -NONE is pretty much out of the question. But that’s also good cause we already alot in our systems. ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/15 "2017-11-28T21:02:41Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The Alphanol in Ammo would brighten/weaken the A314 a bit but despite this you would still have an underlying layer of status/value and stability. Unlike many other A314 mixes, this is one that has been proven to be very effective on younger guys. > > P96/A314 is indeed a great mix but its more a long term/repeat exposure thing to get full effect as it maximises the attractive/bonding/fallout properties of the A314. I wouldn’t really choose it where I wanted hard and fast results. > > Also, A314 only has trace levels of None, so P96’s property of easing the none response would be largely absent - unless you added-in another sexual. In fact the situation I would use that mix is in a hard-hitting/mature sexual status mix with A314 and 5.mcg TUTH - although it would be a close-run thing between P96 and P83, which is IMO maybe better for more immediate disinhibition. I wouldn’t expect the mix to be much use around women under thirty though but you do find occasional exceptions. > > Ammo/P96 - that’s also a goer. Summer Ammo/P96 has had very interesting effects on young women for me. A bit too young women for me really, so I’ve not pushed things beyond light flirting but if there is attraction/horniness there, it certainly helps get it out in the open! 🙂 If I get back into a LTR or find someone worth one, A314/p96 sounds like it’d be killer. But I will say I’m not quite sure what’s gonna happen in regards to A314 and myself. I try to not go for any overt sexuals. I did read somewhere on here that black people have a higher concentration of -NONE as well things like exercise can also increase -NONE too(Im at the gym 3 times a week). Also I pulled the trigger on A314b so I’m gonna try the ammo combo. Not sure how much I’m gonna stand out with it but I’ll do a dry run with it at friend’s place saturday (if it gets here on time). Also would you say Ammo/p96 works like A314/p96? I mean in regards to long term/repeated exposure. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/16 "2017-11-28T21:59:55Z")
> [@prettyrickyboi](#): > > I’ve found I need less Ammo and more -RONE (A314) with my ethnicity. > I OD on -NONE easily > I’ve ordered a P86 alternative from another place so I’ll see how it goes with A314 and Ammo. You can get just Androsterone at 2.5mcg/spray then and use less ammo and just add the erone without having to also boost the enone etc… [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is also like the A314 sig and only needs 1.25-2.5/mcg to do so but without the extra none and almost as cheap as a togo… This is why some people dont see results because they dont take into account their base signature they are modifying. IG has erone but NO enone, and so those with high levels of none already find good results, and those with lower T/none can add Tuth/enone 2.5mcg at a time if needed… Its also not a intimidating/fear based respect like A314 A314 has small enone also, so either you can try to use less without buffers, or add more buffers TAC/P96/IO/IH/IS/IG etc to bring your sig back down… IO for example lowers the erone sig, for someone with LOW erone it can kill the mix, but someone with HIGH erone it just brings it more back in balance… ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/17 "2017-11-29T00:08:46Z")
First I’d ask what’s the crowd? Diverse, mostly white.. black?.. Hispanic, etc. But simply speaking if you are black you are probably high in ENone so you’d want to play with eRone and ANol. Without being too specific just use A314/IG/ERone + IH/IO/Cttm2//Anol The first go to would probably be A314 + IH Since you said you have p96 I’d say throw some of that in too its so awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/18 "2017-11-29T00:11:30Z")
> [@MediocreMorsov](#): > > Also would you say Ammo/p96 works like A314/p96? I mean in regards to long term/repeated exposure. Like fallout/crushing? The p96 certainly has the ability to do that ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/19 "2017-11-29T00:33:19Z")
2-4 drops A314/P86 at 30mcg-45. P86 will give the attention at distances of 10 feet, some human velcro effect, beautification, people should be more open to approach and talk to you with smooth conversations as it should buffer the harshness out of A314… No IH that would overbuffer in combo with P86. Should be a DIHL/blatant hit mix as well… P86 seems to be a good ‘boom’ molecule for clubs/bars/daygame to draw attention… IH instead for 1-1 or P96 I’d look at… ---
**Author:** ![MediocreMorsov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mediocremorsov/32/1232_2.png) [@MediocreMorsov](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MediocreMorsov)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501/20 "2017-11-29T03:37:07Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > First I’d ask what’s the crowd? > Diverse, mostly white.. black?.. Hispanic, etc. > > But simply speaking if you are black you are probably high in ENone so you’d want to play with eRone and ANol. > Without being too specific just use A314/IG/ERone + IH/IO/Cttm2//Anol > The first go to would probably be A314 + IH > Since you said you have p96 I’d say throw some of that in too its so awesome. I’d say most white and asian with hispanic and black speckled about. And 2 things: What about A314 and CTTM2? and would pairing A314 and IG actually work? Oh and I meant how long ammo/p96 would take to kick in for those around me. Mobo described the p86/ammo(the other mix I was thinking about) as something that works pretty fast [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-range-attraction/67501.md?page=2)