# Looking for a bit of help sealing the deal **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [September 21, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999 "2008-09-21T13:23:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@Rock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rock)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/1 "2008-09-21T13:23:42Z")
Hello everybody, Another (20 y.o) guy from down under here. This is a very interesting place, been reading all manner of posts here for the past few days, and have had several flashes of understanding, followed by confusion, before the cycle repeats. Clearly a complicated subject! I found this site in my search for aids in what I’m about to mention below. I guess the main reason I’m here is twofold. Firstly, I have my eye on a girl, with whom things are continually hot and cold (and for a long time), and it has been so far impossible to seal the deal. I’m looking for something to provide the push to the next level, and failing that, may be just giving up on her altogether. Too many months wasted, too many emotions. Basically something that will exploit any existing potential – and ultimately determine if there can be something more. If not then, cest la vie. Nonetheless, she’s still too much to give up without trying everything – so I’m here. (And hopefully not coming off as too bitter 😛) And secondly, I’m here in a bid to improve my game. As humbly and as modestly as possible, I’ll put forward that I think I’m an attractive guy – but this is not something I ever hear first hand. It’s always related to me second hand from reliable male and female sources. It happens often enough. So I suppose there’s some intimidation at the core of this problem that needs to be addressed – however, I am a straightforward, down to business sort of person, by heart. I just want to be approached once in a while!! 😛 Also looking for something that will also back this ‘approachability’ up with a bit of a spark – since too often do I fall into the nice guy category, when it’s not intimidating/mysterious. And this really gets to me. From my reading, what I’m itching to buy for the first cause is some P83 with Mx203. Really sort of getting down to the point there. Or perhaps some Ammunition. She’s a lighthearted person by heart, so perhaps tempering that with some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). But this is my first priority with trying out the pheromones. We’re both the same age, Caucasian. For the second case, I’m again leaning towards Ammo, and some Instant Spark. I am also considering the A314, because I feel it being congruent with my character, so I may be able to pull it off. I’m also someone who does a bit of public speaking, and feel that some A314 can only help with presence. I must admit, I am a little won over by all of the positive posts about this cocktail. Well there we go. I hope you guys can give me a little bit of a hand with what I should go for. I’m ready to make this a bit of a splurge, so I don’t mind paying to get this right. Within reason, of-course. I don’t want to turn this into a counseling session, but clearly what I’m doing isn’t working, so I’m open to suggestions. Thanks for bearing with me through this essay and a half. Best Regards ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/2 "2008-09-21T15:28:55Z")
Welcome Rock! I agree that it is very hard to understand anything when you first come to the forum, but in like a couple of days, you will find everything pretty clear and straight forward 🙂 As for the girl you have your eye on, a little bit of ih can help since it gives more connection and perhaps some truth too. You should try ammo instead of mx203 first, since it is a well tested product that give you consistent results, and ammo will help you game a lot. As for a314, it is a great respect product, but it offers a lot of seriousness, so you need some lighter social product to balance out (like ishine and io). There is also ig which is similar to a314, but less intimidating and often better for your age. Good luck and let us know if you got other questions! ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/3 "2008-09-21T15:41:15Z")
Hi Rock, I would agree with mockingbird’s recommendations of Ammo and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). A314 would be just too serious for someone your age (except perhaps at work) and wouldn’t probably help with winning over a younger woman - you’d appear too serious and fatherly, if anything, and its self effects are too sobering - it sounds like you’d better with things that lighten things up, encouraging playful interactions, making you a little more willing to take risks and tease a girl - Ammo seems like a better choice for you. ---
**Author:** ![remmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/remmy/32/2451_2.png) [@remmy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/remmy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/4 "2008-09-21T17:18:10Z")
hi welcome! that was a really informative intro 🙂 but yea, i think mockingbird and carrie gave you some really good suggestions. if i can add a little… you should also consider some instant lines. im pretty young myself and i find that a lot of instant lines work really well on me.. for example, instant openness would be good for any occasions, whether at the bars or at school since it would make people want to talk to u more thereby making you more likeable.. anywyas, gluck! ---
**Author:** ![Rock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@Rock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rock)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/5 "2008-09-22T08:56:06Z")
Cheers guys for the warm welcome and for the advice, I appreciate it. Can [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) be mixed with Ammo, or would that create just too many conflicting pheromonal interactions? Will be getting some Ammo, IShine and Instant Gentleman very soon. Also thank you very much for the gift certificate. Best Regards ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/6 "2008-09-22T16:48:45Z")
> [@Rock](#): > > Can Instant Gentleman be mixed with Ammo, or would that create just too many conflicting pheromonal interactions? > > Best Regards You could, but each one is a complete, specifically tuned mix in itself. Try them separately first for a while to get a feel for what they do for you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-a-bit-of-help-sealing-the-deal/19999/7 "2008-09-22T16:52:25Z")
Hello Rock and welcome to the PheroTalk forum. I’m glad you got the gift certificate I sent out yesterday evening. When Football is on I get busy watching and nothing gets done. You have some great selections and I would say that IG, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Ishine would be a great combo. You might want to start with one consumer product at a time to really experience what it can do for you. As you get familiar with them you can start to mix. Good luck and let us know if you have any further questions. Welcome again my friend.