# looking for advise for first purchase **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 23, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364 "2008-02-23T08:22:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bbj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@bbj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bbj)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/1 "2008-02-23T08:22:40Z")
20 y/o in college… me and two friends are doing a mini study on artificial [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) to help identify there validity… ive been reading threads for a while now and decided we will have to test it ourselves… scientifically: yes humans produce natural pheromones… however we lack the ability (the organ in the nasal cavity) to detect these pheromones… the come off as smells and nothing more… scientifically … so… let see is science wrong.. or are most mearly experiencign a placebo… thinking that the pheros are helping women talk to you..?? or maybe your just less timid and more confident now with them… which women are attracted too anyways im looking for advise on a first buy… ill be picking up travel sized bottles for now… im 20 y/o caucasian 5’9" 160 lbs… im an outgoing conversation starter guy already… were looking for improvements lol… as for our direction… i dunno… looking to spark a conversation starter to a drooling on our shoulders want us effect lol… (just being honest) what would you recommend… i think i can get the convo started… keeping it interesting and getting them excited and aroused i guess is what we are shooting to see… so what types? and dosage? ty thanks guys ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2008, 9:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/2 "2008-02-23T09:07:56Z")
> [@](#): > > scientifically: yes humans produce natural pheromones… however we lack the ability (the organ in the nasal cavity) to detect these pheromones… the come off as smells and nothing more… scientifically … so… let see > > is science wrong.. or are most mearly experiencign a placebo… thinking that the pheros are helping women talk to you..?? or maybe your just less timid and more confident now with them… which women are attracted too AHH the great VNO organ debate, We are very familar with it. It is still being studied so I would not say science is wrong only that they have not come to a conclusion as of yet. It also depends on where your getting your science from. I suggest you read the studies and abstracts section of the forum there are plenty of studies conducted in various universities that have proven the existance and funtionality of pheromones. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/studies-abstracts/)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life Also here in Pheromone theory, Lots of good stuff by JVKohl Also for your mini project I would look up the studies by Dr. Winifred Cutler on the effect of copulins on men. In short it has been medically proven that exposure to copulins raise mens testosterone by 130 to 150% in 15 minutes of exposure. This medically proves that yes pheromones do exist and enter the brain from the nasal cavity. I suggest for products that you start out with something like IO and ammo. IO is easy to see the effects with. Good luck on your mini project Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2008, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/3 "2008-02-23T09:22:53Z")
> [@](#): > > however we lack the ability (the organ in the nasal cavity) to detect these pheromones… the come off as smells and nothing more… scientifically … so… let see That’s not totally true. Yes, while the VNO may be nonfunctional, mones are still a powerful factor in human communication. How? They’re processed through the olfactory system. You may wanta bone up on JVK’s book, SOE. It lays out the facts and scientific studies in laymen’s terms. You may want to also study some of the articles and research on the 'net: > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/studies-abstracts/)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life ---
**Author:** ![bbj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@bbj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bbj)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/4 "2008-02-24T06:57:45Z")
good info… thanks guys ill keep reading… yes the info is biased as hell and definatley debatable… so ammo and instant openn./… other opinions??? dosage??? other types? ---
**Author:** ![bbj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@bbj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bbj)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/5 "2008-02-24T07:04:30Z")
i ordered the ammo travel size, instant openness travel and the turn up the heat travel size… got opinions on mixes and dosage b ---
**Author:** ![kidcapri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/df705f/32.png) [@kidcapri](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kidcapri)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/6 "2008-02-24T07:24:40Z")
Want to know if pheromones work? Get A314, Put 7 drops on your neck and wrists and see what happens. People will literally jump out of your path and girls will succumb like butter. It made me the president of my pledge class, get in the top fraternity, and get with blondes I always thought hated me (man i was delusional back then). No joke man, try the shit. If its really placebo, then GREAT. At least something good is coming out of it. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/7 "2008-02-24T08:34:01Z")
Welcome to the community bbj. It is OK to be skeptical - we all were once - but VNO or know MANY of us here can tell you pheromones are real and they have real effects. sometimes really startling ones. Tisha gave you some good advice with products.You could also consider [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) or maybe IH (instead or in addition to IO) if you are pretty good at starting conversations. IH will help take the conversations deeper and create a feeling of connection with others. Many of the women on this forum have said that this efeeling of connection with their men is what makes them more inclined to … romance. Tisha also forgot to mention that if you post this same basic info in the Intro section she will send you a $15.00 gift certificate you can use towards your first purchase. I know every dollar counts in college. Welcome to the community. ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/8 "2008-02-24T13:34:50Z")
Hello bbj, Before I tried pheros I was skeptical as well… I thought they were psychological boosters and helped the wearer daredo things he didn’t dare to do before… So I tried pheros changing nothing in my behavior. Many people here say that your behavior is the biggest part. I’d say you just have to not behave in a bad way,that’s all.Don’t counterpart pheros,that’s all. I keep saying that even though behavior is important, one must see the difference between good behavior and good behavior + pheros. Depending on your phero signature and situations, some product will work better than others. Try A314 and you’ll see how well it works. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) results arenotalways easy to recognise. ---
**Author:** ![raceryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/raceryan/32/1740_2.png) [@raceryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/raceryan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/9 "2008-02-24T20:35:38Z")
Hello party people; I was yet another skeptic before this phorum (play on words). However, pheromones are somewhere in the equation. Why? Well one time in my dormitory (where we have communal showers) my roommate came in from taking a shower. I smelled his natural pheromones, not another scent or anything, and they smelled pretty good. Now I am not attracted to him or any men period and me and him have been roommates for 3 years, and friends for 6, but I thought, if it smells good to me, then what would it be like for a woman? ---
**Author:** ![bbj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@bbj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bbj)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/10 "2008-02-25T00:15:25Z")
good info guys… yes im skeptical lol… the a314 is a little pricey… im just not sure if im ready to leap right to a $70 bottle… but then again…if thats what it takes… maybe ill pick up a bottle ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/11 "2008-02-25T01:38:52Z")
bbj Go with the IO and Ishine in the to-go size. They are like $10 or $15 bucks each and you get 40 sprays in each which is more then enough to see what you think. Then when you are feeling a bit amazed LOL come on back and get the A314. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Viperxxx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/viperxxx/32/1512_2.png) [@Viperxxx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Viperxxx)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/12 "2008-02-25T04:29:05Z")
bbj, I would go with [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), the effects are amazing, many many times when I’ve used it just to probe the work atmosphere, I stumbled with many people telling you very personal things (really personal if you know what I mean) and then realizing and asking themselves why did they told you that. My first choice was A314 (a sure winner), but maybe a bit too much for your research. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 8:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/13 "2008-02-25T08:17:24Z")
> [@bbj](#): > > scientifically: yes humans produce natural pheromones… however we lack the ability (the organ in the nasal cavity) to detect these pheromones… the come off as smells and nothing more… scientifically … so… let see > > is science wrong.. or are most mearly experiencign a placebo… thinking that the pheros are helping women talk to you..?? or maybe your just less timid and more confident now with them… which women are attracted too Whether a science is right or wrong is often relative…what we accept as a science is ultimately limited by how much we, as a society, understand about the subject at hand. How many times in history have we, as a society, accepted certain ideas and concepts to be an absolute ‘science’ only to be disproven as we’ve expanded our understanding of the world around us? The point is, we shouldn’t discount the role of pheromones in human interactions simply because the mainstream scientific community isn’t willing to accept such as ‘science’…yet [Greatreporter.com - Little-known nerve may be secret to lust](http://greatreporter.com/mambo/content/view/1470/16/) ---
**Author:** ![bbj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@bbj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bbj)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/14 "2008-02-27T02:42:29Z")
well it all showed up today… guess ill give it first try tommorow or something… ive got the flu right now…so we will see how i feel anyways… recommended dosage for the sprays??? i know 2 drops for the a314… ive got ammo, instant open (i think) and turn up the heat thx ---
**Author:** ![bbj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@bbj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bbj)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/15 "2008-02-27T04:20:17Z")
edit: sorta… still trying to find mixes for these… more importantly i keep seeing different numbers for sprays (and drops)… and cant find good info for location ie a314… how many drops??? ive seen 2-7 .. how mnay sprays for the IO, ammo and turn up the heat??? anyone know a good combo using those for classroom setting thanks guys ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-advise-for-first-purchase/9364/16 "2008-02-27T15:53:33Z")
> [@bbj](#): > > edit: sorta… > > still trying to find mixes for these… more importantly i keep seeing different numbers for sprays (and drops)… and cant find good info for location > > ie A314… how many drops??? ive seen 2-7 .. > > how mnay sprays for the Instant Openness, ammo and turn up the heat??? > > anyone know a good combo using those for classroom setting > > thanks guys BBJ, the reason you see a lot of different numbers is because everyone is different, everyones situation is different, and everyone has different personal desires for what they want to accomplish. I know you want to have all the great experiences right away, we all do. There is really only one way to get there…one product at a time. Pick one…I think IO is agood one to try. Start out with whatever…4 sprays IO is pretty safe. Tommorrow cut back to 2 sprays, then one, then three, back to four. Find the level that works best for you. Then go on to the next. AMMO and TUTH you should start with one spray because they contain -none. Have fun, talk to people, do things well **DO THINGS with other people.** That’s what works best. It won’t take long and you’ll be mixing and matching and you’ll know what you are doing. 🙂