# Looking to break down the barrier **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [May 1, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234 "2010-05-01T18:11:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/1 "2010-05-01T18:11:11Z")
My name is William and I’m from Texas. 34 (almost 35) and I’ve had a friend of 10 years who I KNOW cares a lot about me, but is stubborn about keeping me in the friends zone. She’s about to uproot her life and I’m helping her get re-situated in a new environment and she wants me to come visit when she initially moves. On this next meeting, I want to knock down that wall and move it to the next level which I KNOW can happen (as she constantly tells me she dreams about me and her and thinks about it), but I figure if I go with the deck stacked in my favor, it will be that much easier. Been doing quite a bit of reading before I even registered this account and it appears that perhaps a bit of IO or IH + TUTH or something like that would open the doors but I’m open to suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/2 "2010-05-01T18:16:07Z")
Hey William and welcome to the forum! First of all, what is your personality like? Are you outgoing? Quiet? TUTH and some IH seem like they would help. TUTH will definitely create more of a sexual spark and IH will help with an emotional connection. I think [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) might help too.. It causes confidence in the user. Hope this helps! ---
**Author:** ![stevios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@stevios](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stevios)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/3 "2010-05-01T18:18:16Z")
Hi and welcome! I’m going to start by saying that mones aren’t magic and they won’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do. You say you know she wants to go further with you so mones might help if that’s the case. Assuming she does want more, and you want more too (and here I’ll be boring by saying many a good friendship between men and women has been messed up by getting closer!) then I’d suggest something like IH is a good start, in my experience just for amplifying that close bond. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) too I’ve found good for giving me a happy glow, and that never hurts with attraction either. TUTH can make people agitated if they react badly to -none or you have too much on I think so I’d use it with caution - don’t go crazy on the sprays. Ammo is a favorite on the forum too - it’s got an edge but it’s not too strong so people report they can get away with it in social and even work situations too. That’s my experience too. So Ammo, Instant Shine and IH would be my tips. Make sure you find your sweet spot with each before combining though. And never forget its 99% you, 1% mones! I’m sure you’ll get other advice here but that’s my 2c! ---
**Author:** ![mackie72](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mackie72/32/623_2.png) [@mackie72](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mackie72)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/4 "2010-05-01T18:18:23Z")
Hi William and welcome to the forum! Yes I agree with your own recommendations especially IH and TUTH. IH is great for forming closer connections and can help to create intimacy and deeper friendships. Once this is initiated then use TUTH to get her sexually aroused and a more physical relationship. To be given a $25 GC you need to tell us more about your personality ie shy/outgoing? quiet/loud? Who do you want to influence besides this girl? ie co-workers/friends/family? Regards Mackie ---
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/5 "2010-05-01T18:19:22Z")
Generally I’m quiet unless I know the person I’m around then I tend to be quite a bit more open. Definitely not outgoing unless I’m liquored up 😉 Perhaps IShine + IH and a shot of TUTH would be the trick if it helps with the confidence. ---
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/6 "2010-05-01T18:22:03Z")
Wow…crazy fast posters in this forum 😉 As I said above, I’m a bit shy unless I’m comfortable with the environment or liquored up and I tend to live by the credo of “speak softly but carry a big stick”. ---
**Author:** ![ClintX2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ClintX2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ClintX2)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/7 "2010-05-01T18:22:33Z")
Welcome Bsherman54 I would really suggest some A314. It gives of a vibe of value and status and some people describe it as making you the alpha male(the man that every woman want) some people say it makes women possessive of you. I haven’t had that happen but I have had some cases where very beautiful girls have come unto me while wearing it. I would also suggest talking a look at Instant gentleman which is another product that gives a vibe of status. You said you looked up TUTH so you already know what that does…that could be helpful for you too. Welcome ClintX2 ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/8 "2010-05-01T18:23:05Z")
Yeah that sounds about right. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) is a great pheromone though if you wanna get conversation flowing more. ---
**Author:** ![ClintX2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ClintX2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ClintX2)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/9 "2010-05-01T18:27:28Z")
I agree there are crazy fast posters in this forum. That is what makes it so great! You can get feedback so quickly. ---
**Author:** ![mackie72](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mackie72/32/623_2.png) [@mackie72](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mackie72)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/10 "2010-05-01T18:34:03Z")
Hi William Apart from the pheros I recommended you - I would also buy ammo as it is the best stand alone product for attracting girls. This phero will give you attraction, confidence, approachability and respect. I would also get the socials and IG which is more versatile than A314. You can buy all these in to go bottles that are smaller than the regular sized bottles. Along with your $25 GC you will be able to buy more pheros for less cash. I hope this helps. Mackie ---
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/11 "2010-05-01T18:34:30Z")
I have really thought about using A314 for perhaps the workplace to give me more of a status vibe as well. I know better than to use a sexual combination in the workplace cause that can just lead to horrible disaster, but having a sense of prowess (to go with my leo personality) wouldn’t hurt. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/12 "2010-05-01T18:35:54Z")
> [@bsherman54](#): > > I have really thought about using A314 for perhaps the workplace to give me more of a status vibe as well. I know better than to use a sexual combination in the workplace cause that can just lead to horrible disaster, but having a sense of prowess (to go with my leo personality) wouldn’t hurt. Yeah.. A314 works great in the workplace. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) compliments it well because it adds that feeling of trust. Respect + Trust… powerful combo. Especially at work. ---
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/13 "2010-05-01T18:37:47Z")
I know that there is no “magic number” for combinations and I will have to test them out for myself, but with me being 34…it looks like I would have to use possibly higher doses (except for TUTH which looks like going overboard with that is only recommended if your -none production is already fairly dried up or your club hopping) Anyone have some starter doses or am I just better off experimenting and then tweaking the results down. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/14 "2010-05-01T18:37:51Z")
I never really use A314 when dating though because I find it can lead to intimidation and trepidation for the female. There is nothing worse than a lack of conversation because she is afraid of saying something wrong. Everyone is different though. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/15 "2010-05-01T18:40:16Z")
> [@bsherman54](#): > > I know that there is no “magic number” for combinations and I will have to test them out for myself, but with me being 34…it looks like I would have to use possibly higher doses (except for TUTH which looks like going overboard with that is only recommended if your -none production is already fairly dried up or your club hopping) > > Anyone have some starter doses or am I just better off experimenting and then tweaking the results down. It is best to test each product by itself and get comfortable with it before combining. Start with one spray, and work your way up to gauge the effects. Eventually you will know what dose of each mone is right for you, what each [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) does for you, and what situations are most suitable.. Its all about trial and error haha. ---
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/16 "2010-05-01T18:44:01Z")
> [@stevios](#): > > I’m going to start by saying that mones aren’t magic and they won’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do. You say you know she wants to go further with you so mones might help if that’s the case. > > Assuming she does want more, and you want more too (and here I’ll be boring by saying many a good friendship between men and women has been messed up by getting closer!) then I’d suggest something like IH is a good start, in my experience just for amplifying that close bond. Instant Shine too I’ve found good for giving me a happy glow, and that never hurts with attraction either. I appreciate the advice man…I pretty much know that as far as getting closer goes…we can’t get any closer than we already are without going to that next level and it’s already at a flash point in some cases so it’s either it moves to the next level or the entire thing implodes in upon itself (and she’s adamant that she does not want me going anywhere) so while I realize that mones arn’t magic, if they help get me to where I want to go, great…if it doesn’t have any affect on her, then I’ve lost nothing in the process and I might end up snagging her hot roommate that she’s gonna be bringing down 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bsherman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bsherman54](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bsherman54)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/17 "2010-05-01T18:45:37Z")
> [@future777](#): > > I never really use A314 when dating though because I find it can lead to intimidation and trepidation for the female. There is nothing worse than a lack of conversation because she is afraid of saying something wrong. > > Everyone is different though. and that is EXACTLY what I want to avoid as her personality already is very submissive to mine and if I act differently, she’s suddenly thinking it’s something that she did. I just need to reassure her that it’s all good and there’s nothing to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/18 "2010-05-01T18:48:11Z")
> [@bsherman54](#): > > and that is EXACTLY what I want to avoid as her personality already is very submissive to mine and if I act differently, she’s suddenly thinking it’s something that she did. I just need to reassure her that it’s all good and there’s nothing to worry about. TUTH and some socials then. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) for deeper conversation and a feeling of emotional connection, and some Instant Shine for confidence and a healthy, fun “glow”. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-to-break-down-the-barrier/38234/19 "2010-05-03T21:55:59Z")
Hello and welcome to PheroTalk. I am so happy you were able to discover this most amazing community. We consider each other like family here and are totally committed to helping each other out. There are so many great people here and now another too 🙂. I will be issuing your GC in just a short while to your email. I would love to be able to personally respond to every new user signing on, but because I want to ensure you get the GC in time I can only reply with this message at this time. I’m sure you are anxious to get started, just like the rest of us were too 🙂. Its cool! Of course I am available to answer any question you might have regarding mones selection by calling me personally on the hotline. Please select extension one and I will be able to consult you one on one. Welcome to the forum.