# Losing hope in Pheromones (Plz Help) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795 "2009-01-12T18:31:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/21 "2009-01-13T18:35:10Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > you have something here, Denec. > > i disagree that if someone is not interested in you initially that pheros will not help. > > being in hospitality a good part of my life, i have seen people who didnt get along at one point, become partners later on. > > i have personally had zero attraction for someone that later became my hottest relationship. > > i think there may be a gray area here where alot of people may be on the fence and pheros could bring them to the forefront and create attraction through the excitement of it alone . > > anyone else on this subject? yeah don’t get me wrong i don’t think it is a magic love potion, but i do think it can help in some cases and in others it will not effect their target at all. I just feel that sometimes you are sending out the wrong signals and then by using pheros you are now using the right signals which in turn sends out attractions which that person would never have been attracted to you per se without the pheros all subconsious of course it is just a theory. of course you still need the skills to talk to that woman or man and ask him or her out and take it from there ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/22 "2009-01-13T19:46:08Z")
I’m pretty sure you two are right! There’s a bunch of factors that play into attraction, and the chemical signals (i.e. pheromones) someone is sending out are one of these factors. If they weren’t, there’d be no point in wearing them, right? So why shouldn’t they be the ones creating that spark of attraction in some cases where it’s exactly been this factor that has been missing? There’s tons of reports of people posting about getting IOIs out of the blue from people in the supermarket, gym, book store… Would these have occured without pheromones? Probably not, because then it would not even be worth mentioning, right? These people might rather have been ignored. This shows me that pheromones clearly have the power to create attraction! Of course it’s not the only factor (far from that), and people ignoring these IOIs or behaving in an unattractive way can easily destroy the attraction again… ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/23 "2009-01-13T20:03:42Z")
> [@basics\_of\_sena](#): > > A big big thank you to all of you. I truly appreciate all of the effort you guys put in. Thank you thank you thank you. Alright back to my testing. My testing grounds have been school and work. When I say nothing I actually mean that Pheros made no difference to me at all. The women reacted exactly as they would have if I wouldn’t wear any pheros at all. That’s exactly what I mean by nothing. I haven’t got any compliments on how the smell is. On day 5 of my testing when I went over to school I actually sat next to girl in my Philosophy class and I saw absolutely no reaction at all. No blushing or playing with hair or any IOI’s. Also could somebody be a little specific where to apply my pheros Basics, while I understand what you’re saying about nothing happening, you are still being cryptic. Can you give us some more information about what is normally happening. This way we have a starting point, but right now we have nothing either. Do people normally talk in class, what is the class set up, are there only you and this other girl? As much info as you can provide will help us. I was joking before when I said you getting back you were putting into it, but now… well lets just say you aren’t really helping us help you ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/24 "2009-01-14T02:42:41Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > you have something here, Denec. > > i disagree that if someone is not interested in you initially that pheros will not help. > > being in hospitality a good part of my life, i have seen people who didnt get along at one point, become partners later on. > > i have personally had zero attraction for someone that later became my hottest relationship. > > i think there may be a gray area here where alot of people may be on the fence and pheros could bring them to the forefront and create attraction through the excitement of it alone . > > anyone else on this subject? I was talking about an initial physical attraction. Otherwise you could spray mones on a lamppost and watch the lovelorn work themselves into a frenzy with lamppost lust as they pass by. Not. Now if you have the time and opportunity, attraction can build due to lifestyle, personality, social status, etc. However, this attraction grows out of a budding relationship. And, yes, I have fallen in love with several women I dismissed or even mildly disliked. They kinda grew on me after a few months and I forgave the initial bad impressions as I discovered deeper “beauty.” However that’s not the same thing as an initial attraction trigger by mones, body chemistry, appearance, etc. I believe there was some level of attraction there. It was merely obscured by a bad impression, political/lifestyle differences or my unreasonable expectations. On the other hand, I have pursued women I was attracted to, was moned up to perfection and was never able to peak their interest beyond casual friendship. In my experience mones reduce inhibitions and enhance attraction, but to do create attraction. You do. But damn, when I first started using mones I really thought I could wear TE and SOE and any woman would want me. Didn’t happen. However, women whom were interested in me started letting me know instead of holding back. Got me into all sorta of frickin’ trouble until I learned my lesson. One final thought for those that believe mones in and of themselves create attraction that never existed before… Perhaps you get a lot more hits than other users because you are naturally universally attractive. So people were always attracted to you and the mones merely pushed them over the edge. I’ve had a few friends like this. No matter where they go, people immediately like them and total strangers constantly give them favors and treat them like an old friend. I get ignored unless I really reach down deep into my acting skill and pour on the charm. Well my 25¢. ---
**Author:** ![Disconnected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@Disconnected](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Disconnected)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/25 "2009-01-14T03:27:50Z")
Perhaps that you are looking for “hits” such as beautiful women approaching you, or girls smiling at you or some such things. But remember that pheros can only do some of the work, at the same time you may be only looking for the really obvious ones. Keep in mind that women are masters at being discreet. :O? ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/26 "2009-01-14T03:36:30Z")
My experience has been that pheromones can produce physical and even sexual interest, attraction and response where none existed before. I have seen this happen on a number of occasions, myself, and I have done experiments where I sprayed ammo on the bottom of a couple chairs in public places and observed that they were chosen for sitting in not only more often, but by women; and on one occasion, the woman was very obviously giving signals of arousal, and nobody was nearby, or being singled out by her for this response. She also seemed rather confused about something, which I suspect was her “unexplained arousal”. Fascinating experiment, give it a try in some doctor’s office one day. What pheromones _don’t_ do is smack people across the face at the lowest doses, defy the laws of physics for diffusion, or help people notice hits without training. Follow the advice given here, basics, and you’ll be good to go. I suggest you go back and re-read it. ---
**Author:** ![basics\_of\_sena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@basics\_of\_sena](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/basics_of_sena)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/27 "2009-01-14T03:39:09Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Basics, while I understand what you’re saying about nothing happening, you are still being cryptic. Can you give us some more information about what is normally happening. This way we have a starting point, but right now we have nothing either. > > Do people normally talk in class, what is the class set up, are there only you and this other girl? As much info as you can provide will help us. I was joking before when I said you getting back you were putting into it, but now… well lets just say you aren’t really helping us help you I apologize for being cryptic again. I believe nobody really talked in class that day since it was the first day. This class is a comparatively bigger class (about 100 students) while most of my classes have about 20 - 25 people. I do want to tell everybody what happened today. Today I was in the computer lab working on a project with a buddy of mine when this truly gorgeous girl came and sat right opposite to me. Now it was really hard for me to concentrate on my project since I kept looking at her when I should have been doing my project. She on the other hand kept looking at her phone. Now it’s really cold in here (about -5) so she had a jacket on. Over at the lab she took the jacket off and then she bent down to get a notebook or something and then I saw some cleavage. She got up and caught me looking (damn). I continued to look at my screen and talked with my buddy. Then after a little while she bent down again and I saw cleavage again. Now I could be jumping to a conclusion but this could have been an IOI, I mean she caught me looking… why bend over again?Maybe I’m wrong maybe not. Right then I knew I should have said something and to build some sort of attraction but I just continued to work, moments later she packed up and left. 2 questions 1- Was that an IOI? 2- And what could I have done to get some advantage in this situation? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/28 "2009-01-14T10:43:00Z")
> [@basics\_of\_sena](#): > > 1- Was that an IOI? > 2- And what could I have done to get some advantage in this situation? 1- I’d say no - why should she care if you are looking? 2- Errmm… talking, eye contact instead of cleavage staring? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/29 "2009-01-14T10:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > I was talking about an initial physical attraction. Otherwise you could spray pheromones on a lamppost and watch the lovelorn work themselves into a frenzy with lamppost lust as they pass by. Not. Now I find just the opposite. Mones do create that intitial physical attraction. But once that is done you have to have some form of either compatibility or draw to keep it going. Mones open the door we walk through the door. If once attraction is established you turn out to be incongruent with the signature or are not compatible for some reason with the person then the mones cant overcome that. What I believe Gegogi is saying though (and he will correct me if I am wrong) We have to consider visual attraction as well. Everyones tastes are different. What is hot to one person may not be to another. They receive the signal from the mones, pin point it (this is the initial attraction) and if they like what they see they move in for the contact or signal for you to make contact. But suppose the person is not attracted to men with blonde hair or doesn’t like the studious type. They will bypass the signal. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/31 "2009-01-14T13:45:16Z")
regardless of what our own experiences are there are always going to be an exception to the rule. like i said, i was not physically attracted to the person i have my greatest attraction for now when i knew him years before we connected. something changed. i cant fully explain it. but if i smelled sexxay pheros on a lampost, me thinks i would naturally assume someone sexxay was in the vicinity, the same way if i passed a firehydrant i know it isnt naturally giving off _that_ bad smell 😃 ---
**Author:** ![chasm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chasm/32/2121_2.png) [@chasm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chasm)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/32 "2009-01-14T18:14:14Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > regardless of what our own experiences are there are always going to be an exception to the rule. > > like i said, i was not physically attracted to the person i have my greatest attraction for now when i knew him years before we connected. something changed. > i cant fully explain it. > > but if i smelled sexxay pheros on a lampost, me thinks i would naturally assume someone sexxay was in the vicinity, the same way if i passed a firehydrant i know it isnt naturally giving off _that_ bad smell 😃 I don’t know, I’ve met some very sexy lamp posts 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/33 "2009-01-14T18:26:58Z")
> [@chasm](#): > > I don’t know, I’ve met some very sexy lamp posts 🙂 that is both disturbing and intriguing 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/34 "2009-01-14T19:14:55Z")
> [@](#): > > but if i smelled sexxay pheros on a lampost, me thinks i would naturally assume someone sexxay was in the vicinity, the same way if i passed a firehydrant i know it isnt naturally giving off _that_ bad smell 😃 LOL Lor I told him something similar last time he mentioned that. Said if the post smelled like TUTH or AMMO I would probably do a little pole dancing just in case the guy who was leaning on it was still around 😃 I dont care what fire hydrants smrell like they always make me think of firemen here in my town and those guys are smoking hot. There should be laws 😉 That inspires me to change my avatar Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/35 "2009-01-14T21:09:11Z")
Actually I kinda like lampposts too. While traveling I take lots of photos of them, with and without mones. I find them a little more attractive when the lamp is lit while still twilight. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/36 "2009-01-14T21:24:21Z")
Lamp posts are too skinny for my taste. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/37 "2009-01-14T23:12:15Z")
Basic I have to say I am in disagreement with bubblebob about that not being an IOI. If a women were to bend down to pick something up and shows cleavage once, there’s always the possibility it was she need to pick something up. Once she saw you and then proceeded to do it a second time: sounds like a strong hit to me. Women are easy to creep out, so by her doing it in such a way that once again displays her anatomy is considered a hit. There are always things we could have gone back and said as hindsight is always 20/20. But hey, were guys and sometimes we miss opportunities. If women weren’t so forgiving of our MPB humanity would have dies out a long time ago 🙂. I had a very strong feeling about your class and that’s why I was pushing you for additional info. I’ve always said a school classroom is not always the best place to test. It’s like wearing IO into a movie theater. People just don’t talk in there, so with or without mones they are still not going to be talking. The other issue with that first day of class, was that there could have been many hits there, but you were not familiar with their behavior and therefore weren’t able to pick them out. The girl three rows up in the jeans with the blue sweater was totally into you. You’ll notice she is always looking around the room and talking to people, but she will never look at you. Sometimes its what people don’t do that you should look out for too. Oh BTW her name is Rachel and she likes puppies and drunk guys banging on her dorm room at three looking for anonymous sex. I bet the first day of class with new mones on you were pretty nervous yourself. What you didn’t do yourself was talk to anyone either. Just like in the lab, we miss opportunities but the key is to learn and grow from that. I never look away from women. I love how they look so I do like to check them out and I do it visibly. I look them up or down with a coy smile and undress them with my eyes. I let them know that in my eyes I am looking at their body for sex. When they finally catch on I don’t look away until they do, but don’t be creepy either (Two eyes down to tip of nose, that’s the area to make eye contact, try one eye and have a smile/smirk). Only look away when she does and smile and let out a laugh. She will look back in a few seconds. When she does the behavior that has caught your eye the first time, I like to lean in while smiling and say. I’m not that kind of guy and you need to stop looking at me like a piece of meat. You’re bad! She will laugh, but all the while you’ve turned your actions (eying her goodies) around and accuse her of being bad. Charismatic, mysterious, confident and if continued she will want to get to know who this guy is. Basically your seduction actions are being reversed like it was her idea and she will love you for it Basics, you should call me and I promise you I will pass on some more nuggets for you. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/38 "2009-01-15T01:00:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve always said a school classroom is not always the best place to test. It’s like wearing Instant Openness into a movie theater. People just don’t talk in there, so with or without pheromones they are still not going to be talking. True for large lecture courses. They suck as both an educational platform and social venue, and for the same reasons–little opportunity for interaction. It’s factory education at its worse. However, some classes–tennis, dance, drama workshops, music ensembles, even some science labs–can be a hot bed of social interaction and abound with opportunities for friendships and love. In my classes I’ve seen many couples meet (& break up) and even a couple marriages! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 8:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/39 "2009-01-15T08:04:58Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > True for large lecture courses. They suck as both an educational platform and social venue, and for the same reasons–little opportunity for interaction. It’s factory education at its worse. However, some classes–tennis, dance, drama workshops, music ensembles, even some science labs–can be a hot bed of social interaction and abound with opportunities for friendships and love. In my classes I’ve seen many couples meet (& break up) and even a couple marriages! Agreed.. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795/40 "2009-01-15T12:18:31Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Basic I have to say I am in disagreement with bubblebob about that not being an IOI. If a women were to bend down to pick something up and shows cleavage once, there’s always the possibility it was she need to pick something up. Once she saw you and then proceeded to do it a second time: sounds like a strong hit to me. Women are easy to creep out, so by her doing it in such a way that once again displays her anatomy is considered a hit. > > Basics, you should call me and I promise you I will pass on some more nuggets for you. Sorry bubblebob but I’m with Steve on this one. Basics, if she caught you looking and the attention wasn’t welcome, she would have either covered up, moved away or called you an asshole. The second freebie look at her cleavage was an invitation, IOI, hit or whatever you want to call it. For f\*\*k sake, take Steve up on his offer of the telephone advice then get it on. It actually sounds to me as though you just need a bit of success to convince yourself that you can do it. Sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith and hope you can fly. I can fly, Steve can hit the edge of space, learn from him. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/losing-hope-in-pheromones-plz-help/24795.md?page=1)