# Low-cost fallout mix? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423 "2016-01-03T22:28:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/1 "2016-01-03T22:28:50Z")
2016 is here and in my quest to have more sex with physically attractive women I am looking to “become irresistibly attractive to beautiful women sexually” (which includes eventually listening to the subliminal audio programs of that nature as well). To that end, I would like a reliable, “as guaranteed as possible” fallout mix but within a budget of US$100, but if that’s absolutely not possible feel free to recommend something as reliable as possible even if it costs more. I already have AMMO 1x and TUTH 1x, with TAC on the way, and intend to add P96 as suggested by justintime469 if the aforementioned trio isn’t enough. I also just ordered 80mL Hedione now that Perfumer’s Apprentice is open again after the holidays, and may get the 1 kilo when I need the refill if it’s good enough. So! Does there exist a fallout mix that can be made for under US$100, not including what I already have, and if so what do I need? ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/2 "2016-01-04T09:01:23Z")
If you invest in a to-go of the A314b-spray + a to-go of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) I would say you have a very price-conscious and effective fall-out mix… use 1 spray of each layered on top of each other. Only problem is that A314 seems to be unavailable again. Personally, I wouldn’t even bother trying to develop a fall-out mix without A314. It’s BY FAR the most potent phero for inducing fallout. EDIT: Don’t use Ammo in fallout mixes though. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/3 "2016-01-04T12:50:40Z")
I am not the best at fallout mixes by any means. By messing around with Jdubs mix and then I took Smellymens advice on taking time with P96 and kind of discovered the TUTH/TAC/P96/Hedione by mistake. It does work very well. With dating I like to use [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) for the bonding at first at low doses like 10 MCG. Then if things go well I transition from the P74 to P96 by the 2nd or 3rd date. ---
**Author:** ![gforcex7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b38774/32.png) [@gforcex7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gforcex7)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/4 "2016-01-04T22:20:35Z")
> [@stazz](#): > > 2016 is here and in my quest to have more sex with physically attractive women I am looking to “become irresistibly attractive to beautiful women sexually” (which includes eventually listening to the subliminal audio programs of that nature as well). To that end, I would like a reliable, “as guaranteed as possible” fallout mix but within a budget of US$100, but if that’s absolutely not possible feel free to recommend something as reliable as possible even if it costs more. > > I already have AMMO 1x and TUTH 1x, with TAC on the way, and intend to add P96 as suggested by justintime469 if the aforementioned trio isn’t enough. I also just ordered 80mL Hedione now that Perfumer’s Apprentice is open again after the holidays, and may get the 1 kilo when I need the refill if it’s good enough. > > So! Does there exist a fallout mix that can be made for under US$100, not including what I already have, and if so what do I need? Invest in some A314! That’s the best for fallout. I have many stories experiencing fallout & A314 was the cause of it. If you can’t get A314, I would suggest finding some androstenedione. That’s great for fallout because it creates a cuddle / bonding mix. Depending on your version of fallout can vary the outcome. Do you want gold digger fallout or boyfriend type? A314 works on gold diggers (at least for me anyways) while androstenedione works as boyfriends. I believe there are other premixed mones that offer this effect that I cannot mention. Do you search and you will find it. Another mix would either be IG + IS + IH or you can use all this without the IS. The IS is just extra when you want that extra happy vibe. You can also do AMMO + IH. Remember each mix varies between different people according to their body chemistry. You have to keep trying out different mixes & find what works for you 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![gforcex7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b38774/32.png) [@gforcex7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gforcex7)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/5 "2016-01-04T22:22:08Z")
> [@ScentHound](#): > > If you invest in a to-go of the A314b-spray + a to-go of Instant Gentleman I would say you have a very price-conscious and effective fall-out mix… use 1 spray of each layered on top of each other. > > Only problem is that A314 seems to be unavailable again. > > Personally, I wouldn’t even bother trying to develop a fall-out mix without A314. It’s BY FAR the most potent phero for inducing fallout. > > EDIT: Don’t use Ammo in fallout mixes though. Won’t AMMO + IG be too overbearing? ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/6 "2016-01-05T18:26:58Z")
> [@gforcex7](#): > > Won’t AMMO + IG be too overbearing? Hi, AMMO is usually considered problematic in fallout-mixes because of its high alphanol content… according to Mobocaster (who’s opinion on these matters I personally hold in extremely high regard!) alphanol mess with the fallout properties of A314. What I recommended was mixing the _A314b-SPRAY_ with IG… although it would seem that the mix might be too ‘overbearing’ due to the heavy androsterone, 1+1 sprays of each is a MAGIC combo. I’ve seen it work on girls down to 18 years old, probably due to the IG and on much older ladies (although I never go for women over 30). It’s a very solid fallout combo. Heavy hitting due to the alcohol spray’s immediate effects. Try it out! ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/7 "2016-01-06T02:43:31Z")
Oh, I should have mentioned I have no problem with “being a gentleman” and making girls feel comfortable around me, it’s transitioning it to sexual that doesn’t happen. I don’t expect I’ll be using [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), but thanks for the suggestion! Re who I want to attract - I want to be _(absolutely) sexually irresistable_ to a number of 18-25ers in my college I come across regularly (especially in classes) who seem to look for boyfriend types, but one in particular who I ended my friendship with in September and haven’t spoken to or come across since is mostly gold digger type. She’s the straw that broke the camel’s back re my current depression and the reason I sought out self-improvement solutions like subliminals and sexual attraction solutions like pheromones and to a lesser extent pickup material like red pill stuff. So no matter what, have A314 as base? Then IS + IH or TUTH + TAC + P74/P96? ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/8 "2016-01-06T02:49:14Z")
> [@gforcex7](#): > > If you can’t get A314, I would suggest finding some androstenedione. You say “androstenedione” but did you mean “androstadienone” aka A1? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/9 "2016-01-08T02:35:39Z")
Your goal is impossible: "_I want to be (absolutely) sexually irresistable to a number of 18-25ers…"_ Try narrowing the target group down a bit to maybe 21 to 25 and reducing your ambition to merely “sexually plausible.” Then, [pheromones](https://a314.com/) could help. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/10 "2016-01-08T03:38:20Z")
You cannot do fallout on the cheap IMO - You will need to do some considerable testing to find what pheros/base-mixes mesh best with your personality/body language and engage with aspects of the subject’s emotional makeup in a lingering/long term way. This can take some trial and error. Using fallout mixes also mean a fairly long term commitment to using a single base mix around people, consistently in a wide variety of situations - sometimes with steering, sometimes not. If increasing your general attractiveness/more sex is your goal, you could be profitably using a range of more immediate products/mixes with much faster effect. And please stay away from A1 if you are starting with pheros/fallouts - or at **very least** read and **understand** every bit of info in the A1-guide and A1 Mix Repository threads before you do - A1 is not a beginners phero, it can have quite marked negative self-effects for some guys and you will do a lot better with it if you have built-up some less problematic experience with AD products first - The IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) combo has a lot of qualities that intersect with A1, without any of the negative potential! ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/11 "2016-01-08T04:40:12Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > I am not the best at fallout mixes by any means. By messing around with Jdubs mix and then I took Smellymens advice on taking time with P96 and kind of discovered the TUTH/TAC/P96/Hedione by mistake. It does work very well. With dating I like to use P74 for the bonding at first at low doses like 10 MCG. Then if things go well I transition from the P74 to P96 by the 2nd or 3rd date. I’m looking forward to trying this now that I have P96! ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/12 "2016-01-08T05:02:50Z")
> [@stazz](#): > > 2016 is here and in my quest to have more sex with physically attractive women I am looking to “become irresistibly attractive to beautiful women sexually” (which includes eventually listening to the subliminal audio programs of that nature as well). To that end, I would like a reliable, “as guaranteed as possible” fallout mix but within a budget of US$100, but if that’s absolutely not possible feel free to recommend something as reliable as possible even if it costs more. > > I already have AMMO 1x and TUTH 1x, with TAC on the way, and intend to add P96 as suggested by justintime469 if the aforementioned trio isn’t enough. I also just ordered 80mL Hedione now that Perfumer’s Apprentice is open again after the holidays, and may get the 1 kilo when I need the refill if it’s good enough. > > So! Does there exist a fallout mix that can be made for under US$100, not including what I already have, and if so what do I need? I say give the TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE a shot and see how it goes with P96. TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE has literally got me laid with no effort on my part but to be friendly. I mean you can’t just sit there, do nothing, speak no words, and have a woman jump on you then and there. But you certainly don’t need to ‘run game’. I cannot vouche for the P96 in the mix (just yet) as I haven’t tried it. The funny thing is that when I first started mones I had the same goal and was in college. At the time I was with someone and then eventually going through a separation so I never tried to seal the deal with any girls but surely had the chance. After it was finally over I used it out and about and got laid by it pretty easy. Even just a few weeks ago I was hanging out with a girl at her house a little late at night, that I had just met. I had the mix on, and eventually she just turned off the lights and laid me down with her under a blanket on the floor in her living room. Then she cuddled me and started touching me all over. Basically ended the night with her riding me and calling me daddy for like two hours on the floor. I never mentioned anything about sex or anything to her. Ran no game. It started as harmless hangout - and she eventually jumped my bones. That was just the TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE.. I can only imagine what some more tweaking and other additional mones can do. However.. When I used TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE in class a few times, the results weren’t nearly as close as they are in public. Something about the setting and atmosphere I guess. Correction… The results weren’t that great in the actual classroom, but on campus they were. Also, I highly recommend using HEDIONE with everything. In fact, I consider it my base. Nothing goes without it for me. It’s so great. Plus it triggers areas of the brain that deal with motivation, so it keeps me wanting to get stuff done and progress. I never actually tried to make a ‘fallout’ so I don’t have really any advice for that. But I have had the exact same goal as you, and this mix is golden bro. Plus, this mix works extremely well for causing Caucasian women to orgasm like crazy. Especially the younger ones. Last suggestion.. Go ahead and play with what you have and see if you can find something that works for you. Do you have any other -mones. I’m feeling maybe some IH will be a good addition as it causes women to feel they trust you and can be honest.. So if a girl is feeling sexual to you, she’d be more likely to be upfront about it. My actual goal here is to make a mix that will literally have the ‘axe effect’ - basically attract women to me, have them approach me, and have a strong sexual interest in me, and if I go for it, she be willing to let me ravish her.. Haha. I’m telling you, I’ve seen both halves of this coin. With one mix, women flocking to me showing interest. With another, women feeling strongly sexual towards me and if I approach them and be a little friendly then I seal the deal. I’m currently trying to combine the two. And surely if I do, I plan to post the mix here in the forum. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/13 "2016-01-09T03:46:22Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > Your goal is impossible: > > "_I want to be (absolutely) sexually irresistable to a number of 18-25ers…"_ > > Try narrowing the target group down a bit to maybe 21 to 25 and reducing your ambition to merely “sexually plausible.” > > Then, pheromones could help. Some exaggeration to express the symbolism of what I aim to achieve 😉 Of course I understand absolutes like “absolutely” and the 7-year young age range are very unlikely, but if you shoot for the stars settle for landing on the moon. “Plausible” is not good enough for me, however, as I’ve been working to completely 180 my apparently non-sexual vibe and to me that requires doubling down on the sexuality to make up for the previous perceived lack. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/14 "2016-01-09T03:53:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You cannot do fallout on the cheap IMO - You will need to do some considerable testing to find what pheros/base-mixes mesh best with your personality/body language and engage with aspects of the subject’s emotional makeup in a lingering/long term way. This can take some trial and error. What happens if I’m currently undergoing constant personality and body language changes sparked by the listening of subliminal audio, and what if I’m doing it because I don’t like the personality and body language I currently seem to offer women? Is there a way I can say “this is the personality/body language I’m looking to achieve once my work is deemed successful” and tailor to that future self? > [@mobocaster](#): > > Using fallout mixes also mean a fairly long term commitment to using a single base mix around people, consistently in a wide variety of situations - sometimes with steering, sometimes not. If increasing your general attractiveness/more sex is your goal, you could be profitably using a range of more immediate products/mixes with much faster effect. So if immediate is recommended for general attractiveness and more sex, is my current collection of AMMO, TUTH, TAC, and soon Hedione good enough from which to combo? > [@mobocaster](#): > > And please stay away from A1 if you are starting with pheros/fallouts - or at **very least** read and **understand** every bit of info in the A1-guide and A1 Mix Repository threads before you do - A1 is not a beginners phero, it can have quite marked negative self-effects for some guys and you will do a lot better with it if you have built-up some less problematic experience with AD products first - The IH/P74 combo has a lot of qualities that intersect with A1, without any of the negative potential! Ah, so A1 is advanced, then. So you’d recommend IH+[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) rather than IH+IShine? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/15 "2016-01-09T04:27:02Z")
I would hope you are doing a good bit more than just relying on subliminals for change. Remember that the science behind them is shaky at best - mostly originating from people with a vested interest in selling/promoting subliminals (and associated products) in the first place. Although they do have a useful reinforcement/confirmatory role for anything you do. A single and bloody-minded determination to stop being the guy who always got left behind, dumped and then had to endure prolonged dry-spells was what did it for me but even then it took a while. Pheros finally helped to make all the pieces from a fairly wide range of self improvement activities (physical and psychological) fit properly. There is something to working with the best of what you have - and choosing products/mixes that support the best aspects of your personality/presentation at the time is not a bad idea. You can always transition to something else later and you build-up a wider range of experience in doing so. I have a range of mixes/phero styles that I use depending on my mood and situation. Yes, they are all good solid products that can be used in more immediate situations. Esp if you are getting P96 as well - that can be used in both ways, for immediate emotional easement and for longer-term connection. TUTH/P96 has has some of my fastest sexual comfort/“lets go-fuck” responses of any mix, right up there with [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)/TUTH. Ammo is a good all-rounder, steered with TUTH and then TAC as the night unravels and Hedione is a decent social moderator that helps make sexuals more tasty overall. Both are good - IH/IS is an excellent entry-level fallout combo - they connect with you, love it and remember you but it also has very immediate properties, whereas IH/P74 is maybe s bit more mature/longer term for impact/connection but the ultimate responses are usually all the stronger for it. If I wanted fast results with IH/P74, I’d usually be using it in very hard-hitting sexual and sexual/status mixes. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/16 "2016-01-09T04:33:10Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > I say give the TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE a shot and see how it goes with P96. > TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE has literally got me laid with no effort on my part but to be friendly. I mean you can’t just sit there, do nothing, speak no words, and have a woman jump on you then and there. But you certainly don’t need to ‘run game’. > I cannot vouche for the P96 in the mix (just yet) as I haven’t tried it. According to UPS tracker my Hedione comes in around the 11th; will definitely give TUTH+TAC+Hedione a shot after that! > [@Jdub](#): > > The funny thing is that when I first started mones I had the same goal and was in college. At the time I was with someone and then eventually going through a separation so I never tried to seal the deal with any girls but surely had the chance. After it was finally over I used it out and about and got laid by it pretty easy. Even just a few weeks ago I was hanging out with a girl at her house a little late at night, that I had just met. I had the mix on, and eventually she just turned off the lights and laid me down with her under a blanket on the floor in her living room. Then she cuddled me and started touching me all over. Basically ended the night with her riding me and calling me daddy for like two hours on the floor. I never mentioned anything about sex or anything to her. Ran no game. It started as harmless hangout - and she eventually jumped my bones. > That was just the TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE.. > I can only imagine what some more tweaking and other additional mones can do. > > However.. When I used TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE in class a few times, the results weren’t nearly as close as they are in public. Something about the setting and atmosphere I guess. Correction… The results weren’t that great in the actual classroom, but on campus they were. “Just met?” What was the timeframe for it? > [@Jdub](#): > > Also, I highly recommend using HEDIONE with everything. In fact, I consider it my base. Nothing goes without it for me. It’s so great. Plus it triggers areas of the brain that deal with motivation, so it keeps me wanting to get stuff done and progress. > > I never actually tried to make a ‘fallout’ so I don’t have really any advice for that. But I have had the exact same goal as you, and this mix is golden bro. > Plus, this mix works extremely well for causing Caucasian women to orgasm like crazy. Especially the younger ones. I’ll keep those in mind, thanks! > [@Jdub](#): > > Last suggestion.. Go ahead and play with what you have and see if you can find something that works for you. > Do you have any other -mones. > I’m feeling maybe some IH will be a good addition as it causes women to feel they trust you and can be honest.. > So if a girl is feeling sexual to you, she’d be more likely to be upfront about it. Nothing beyond AMMO, TUTH, TAC, and soon Hedione at the moment. > [@Jdub](#): > > My actual goal here is to make a mix that will literally have the ‘axe effect’ - basically attract women to me, have them approach me, and have a strong sexual interest in me, and if I go for it, she be willing to let me ravish her.. Haha. > I’m telling you, I’ve seen both halves of this coin. > With one mix, women flocking to me showing interest. > With another, women feeling strongly sexual towards me and if I approach them and be a little friendly then I seal the deal. > I’m currently trying to combine the two. > And surely if I do, I plan to post the mix here in the forum. I look forward to reading about the results and eventually trying them out myself! ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/17 "2016-01-09T04:46:32Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I would hope you are doing a good bit more than just relying on subliminals for change. Remember that the science behind them is shaky at best - mostly originating from people with a vested interest in selling/promoting subliminals (and associated products) in the first place. Although they do have a useful reinforcement/confirmatory role for anything you do. > > **A single and bloody-minded determination to stop being the guy who always got left behind, dumped and then had to endure prolonged dry-spells was what did it for me but even then it took a while.** Pheros finally helped to make all the pieces from a fairly wide range of self improvement activities (physical and psychological) fit properly. (emphasis mine) This is why I’m doing whatever is in my power to achieve positive results. The subliminals are mainly because for the vast majority of my life I’ve been given negative message after negative message and just want the positivity I’ve been longing for; I want to be recognized as “good enough” and rewarded for the effort I put in rather than punished for the perceived lack of results. Of course I’m _doing_ actively rather than simply only listening passively; I know that starting from a negative deficit one doesn’t simply sit around and have positive results handed to me. I waited this long to start on mones because I know that I would have to be congruent with the mones’ intentions so that women’s positive feelings are attributed to me and not others, and for a long time worried I wasn’t as congruent as I need to be, that internally I wouldn’t yet be able to handle external responses. > [@mobocaster](#): > > There is something to working with the best of what you have - and choosing products/mixes that support the best aspects of your personality/presentation at the time is not a bad idea. You can always transition to something else later and you build-up a wider range of experience in doing so. I have a range of mixes/phero styles that I use depending on my mood and situation. > > Yes, they are all good solid products that can be used in more immediate situations. Esp if you are getting P96 as well - that can be used in both ways, for immediate emotional easement and for longer-term connection. TUTH/P96 has has some of my fastest sexual comfort/“lets go-fuck” responses of any mix, right up there with MX297/TUTH. Ammo is a good all-rounder, steered with TUTH and then TAC as the night unravels and Hedione is a decent social moderator that helps make sexuals more tasty overall. > > Both are good - IH/IS is an excellent entry-level fallout combo - they connect with you, love it and remember you but it also has very immediate properties, whereas IH/P74 is maybe s bit more mature/longer term for impact/connection but the ultimate responses are usually all the stronger for it. If I wanted fast results with IH/P74, I’d usually be using it in very hard-hitting sexual and sexual/status mixes. I look forward to experimenting with different combos once I expand my collection, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/18 "2016-01-09T05:29:00Z")
For the ‘just met’ part.. We essentially had met a few weeks prior. We exchanged numbers and then would sometimes text about hanging out. It took a while though because I was extra busy with work through the holiday season. Then I finally came over and that was the first time we hung out and even held a real conversation. I had seen her 1 day prior to that day..(.the day we met and spoke for about 20 minutes.) ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/19 "2016-01-10T14:54:17Z")
On a first date with what you have what I would do is where like 2 sprays [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/ 20 TAC/ 2 or 3 drops Hedione. I like Ammo because it is buffered all on its own and with TAC helping it along this I have found will work on younger women. TUTH is steered way more different than Ammo. That is why I suggest maybe using Ammo over the TUTH on younger women or first dates. I think if you play around with it enough with what you have Ammo/TUTH/TAC/Hedione You will have almost everything you need for what you are looking for. I would look at maybe P74 and P96. But besides these 2 you everything else you need to achieve your goal. The key is testing each one solo before mixing them all. Patience is needed here also. But if you do both these things I really have no doubt you will achieve what you are looking for without the P74 or P96. I have spent 6 months or more on Jdubs mix and still haven’t quite got it completely dialed in the way I want. So just don’t get discouraged. I will be following your journal and hopefully watching you work on things. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/20 "2016-01-14T05:41:51Z")
Just ordered P96 25mcg To-Go, IShine, MX351 after reading about “Wildflower’s Mix,” and because it was over $100 P131 for free. So! Combos I will try out in my fallout quest include: - TUTH + TAC + Hedione - AMMO + TAC + Hedione - TUTH + TAC + P96 + Hedione - AMMO + IShine + P96 + Hedione - TUTH + TAC + IShine + P96 + Hedione To recommend reliable mixes, my updated list is as follows: - AMMO 1x - TUTH 2.5mcg - TAC 2.5mcg - Hedione - P96 25mcg - IShine 1x - MX351 - P131 5mcg Until A314 restocks, any new fallout recommendations, preferably with a sexual component too, to try? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423.md?page=2)