# Low-cost fallout mix? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423 "2016-01-03T22:28:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/21 "2016-01-14T12:07:02Z")
> [@stazz](#): > > Just ordered P96 25mcg To-Go, IShine, MX351 after reading about “Wildflower’s Mix,” and because it was over $100 P131 for free. > > So! Combos I will try out in my fallout quest include: > > - TUTH + TAC + Hedione > - AMMO + TAC + Hedione > - TUTH + TAC + P96 + Hedione > - AMMO + IShine + P96 + Hedione > - TUTH + TAC + IShine + P96 + Hedione > > To recommend reliable mixes, my updated list is as follows: > > - AMMO 1x > - TUTH 2.5mcg > - TAC 2.5mcg > - Hedione > - P96 25mcg > - IShine 1x > - MX351 > - P131 5mcg > > Until A314 restocks, any new fallout recommendations, preferably with a sexual component too, to try? No offense, but you’re all over the place with those mixes and not one of them will induce fallout. Maybe you could induce fallout from [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)+IH alone but honestly, you’d be better off waiting for A314. Have you even done a search with the term ‘fallout’ in it yet? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/22 "2016-01-14T12:34:24Z")
Yup. The jury is still out on P96 as a full-on falout phero. although there are some potential indicators in its favour. It encourages emotional engagement, yes and it is fully usable with other fallout mixes but for now I’d be wary of relying on it as a base product. For the rest, TAC, TUTH, and Hedione are all secondary/steering products, not key components by themselves. IS is is generally only viable in base mixes only when paired with something like A314 or IH. Although it would be interesting to see how it pairs with P96. Ammo - Nope. I’d only use it for scent in a fallout mix and only in the smallest dose I could possibly get away with but more likely I would use another non-phero cover scent. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/23 "2016-01-14T21:10:23Z")
> [@ScentHound](#): > > No offense, but you’re all over the place with those mixes and not one of them will induce fallout. > > Maybe you could induce fallout from P74+IH alone but honestly, you’d be better off waiting for A314. I was mainly attempting summarizing the potential mixes from the above posts based on my incoming mones. Are you saying I have to start over and that the mixes suggested are basically useless? I don’t know when A314 will be restocked. > [@ScentHound](#): > > Have you even done a search with the term ‘fallout’ in it yet? The very first thing I did was search for ‘fallout’ but all the info is disjointed and for my goal too heavily focused on the social aspect rather than the “make her (sexually) obsess over you” aspect, and the original limitation of this thread is “low-cost.” I know “real” sexual attraction is built over time, but I’m seeing threads talking about building that attraction for more than 6 months and such with NO ACTION, when my experience has been women making the decision within the first 6 SECONDS to NOT have sex with me ever no matter what I do. After my most recent one-itis I swore to never let myself be friend-zoned again, so if a woman I approach with sexual intent doesn’t agree to sex within the first month of meeting it’s a lose-lose scenario for me to continue since we now live in an era where persistence is not rewarded and instead punished as “stalking.” A month is me being _very_ generous, since I can usually tell after at most a week if they’re not going to make any effort to please me sexually, and as I said before my experience has been that women have already made that decision in the first 6 seconds. So yes, unless otherwise noted whatever mixes are recommended will steer in sexual directions and I will accept nothing less. It is much easier to add a friendship and romance to a sexual relationship than add sex and romance to a platonic friendship. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 7:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/24 "2016-01-15T07:26:27Z")
It’s because there’s no short cut to attraction (sexual), other than paying a whore perhaps. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/25 "2016-01-15T12:44:01Z")
Stazz, OK, it would seem that you might be confused about what a fallout mix is actually intended to achieve, really. Fallout is a process in which a woman slowly but surely latches onto the wearer of the fallout mix and becomes literally obsessed with the wearer OVER TIME. That process can’t happen over the timespan of one meeting. What YOU are asking for is a mix that will make a girl so horny that she will throw out all good judgement and sleep with you then and there, despite her better judgement. Am I right? For that purpose, yes, TUTH + TAC (plus maybe hedione) should suffice if the girl in question is ovulating and familiar enough with you to know you’re not gonna cut her up in tiny pieces and bury her in the forest after sex 😛 ) But fallout is not (primarily) about having sex with a girl, it’s about creating a bond with her that is near impossible to break, so you need to make sure the girl exposed to the fallout mix isn’t a raving lunatic… which is why it is actually a GOOD thing that the fallout process takes some time to fully develop. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/26 "2016-01-15T17:32:20Z")
Yup - you really need to be concentrating on othe, more immediate mixes - Fallout takes time and often many repeat exposures to develop fully - A sexy/social/fun (or status, depending) is likely to take you to your goal quicker. And most of those mixes are perfectly usable that way, so get-on with it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/27 "2016-01-15T17:40:38Z")
> [@ScentHound](#): > > so you need to make sure the girl exposed to the fallout mix isn’t a raving lunatic… which is why it is actually a GOOD thing that the fallout process takes some time to fully develop. Very important this! You really don’t want to be saddled with a beligerent/acting-out fallout. Life is too short to deal with the stress and its not fair to either of you if you are not in a position to live-up to the level of bonding intimated by the base mix. Which is why I’ve disqualified and backed-off from quite a few fallouts over the years when the strange/creepy/bunny-boiler tendencies start to show. And IME, the crazy ones, where they do respond, tend to respond very well to fallout mixes, so overly-fast development/investment is in itself something to keep a weather-eye out for. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/28 "2016-01-15T18:51:23Z")
I do want the instant attract, but for fallout I want women to have the “I have to have this man’s dick in me always or I will die” feeling within 2, maybe 3 months, not this 6 months or more ridiculousness I see so often where the guy doesn’t even follow through after. > [@ScentHound](#): > > What YOU are asking for is a mix that will make a girl so horny that she will throw out all good judgement and sleep with you then and there, despite her better judgement. Am I right? I want the mix that will make a girl realize that all her judgment, good, better, best, points to me, and that she can’t live without me and my sex. I don’t expect magic creating something from nothing like an illusion, I expect the girl to admit her true feelings for me. > [@mobocaster](#): > > Very important this! You really don’t want to be saddled with a beligerent/acting-out fallout. Life is too short to deal with the stress and its not fair to either of you if you are not in a position to live-up to the level of bonding intimated by the base mix. > > Which is why I’ve disqualified and backed-off from quite a few fallouts over the years when the strange/creepy/bunny-boiler tendencies start to show. > > And IME, the crazy ones, where they do respond, tend to respond very well to fallout mixes, so overly-fast development/investment is in itself something to keep a weather-eye out for. This happened to me enough without a mix, and probably will happen again unless I “man up” or something similarly cliched; the difference I expect the mones to make, however, is the addition of nearly guaranteed sexual encounters to situations like this so that I can at least have some fun with her before she proceeds to attempt to sabotage my progress and success like those before her. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/29 "2016-01-15T18:56:46Z")
> [@ScentHound](#): > > What YOU are asking for is a mix that will make a girl so horny that she will throw out all good judgement and sleep with you then and there, despite her better judgement. Am I right? I want the mix that will make a girl realize that all her judgment, good, better, best, points to me, and that she can’t live without me and my sex. I don’t expect magic creating something from nothing like an illusion, I expect the girl to admit her true feelings for me. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/30 "2016-01-15T20:36:53Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Very important this! You really don’t want to be saddled with a beligerent/acting-out fallout. Life is too short to deal with the stress and its not fair to either of you if you are not in a position to live-up to the level of bonding intimated by the base mix. > > Which is why I’ve disqualified and backed-off from quite a few fallouts over the years when the strange/creepy/bunny-boiler tendencies start to show. > > And IME, the crazy ones, where they do respond, tend to respond very well to fallout mixes, so overly-fast development/investment is in itself something to keep a weather-eye out for. This happened to me enough without a mix, and probably will happen again unless I “man up” or something; the difference I expect the mones to make, however, is the addition of nearly guaranteed sexual encounters to situations like this. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/31 "2016-01-16T04:30:29Z")
I think what your going for hasn’t yet been discovered necessarily. One thing I can tell you is that when I wear TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE, it can get me laid pretty much instantly when first meeting someone. And when I meet up with someone to have sex, she’ll react in the way you mentioned, like my sex is the best thing and she can’t live without it and wants more and more. But I have not seen a simultaneous fallout effect with this. I can’t say that I’ve ever found anyone here who claimed to have created this either. But then again, I pretty much just go through girls so I haven’t spent months testing it to see a fallout. I think the best advice I can give you is to either test and find your own mix to do this for you or start out with a fallout and after you’ve got her where you want her, then hit her with the insanely crazy sexual mix that leaves her drooling all over you. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/32 "2016-01-16T04:36:31Z")
> [@ScentHound](#): > > Stazz, OK, it would seem that you might be confused about what a fallout mix is actually intended to achieve, really. > > Fallout is a process in which a woman slowly but surely latches onto the wearer of the fallout mix and becomes literally obsessed with the wearer OVER TIME. > > That process can’t happen over the timespan of one meeting. > > What YOU are asking for is a mix that will make a girl so horny that she will throw out all good judgement and sleep with you then and there, despite her better judgement. Am I right? > > For that purpose, yes, TUTH + TAC (plus maybe hedione) should suffice if the girl in question is ovulating and familiar enough with you to know you’re not gonna cut her up in tiny pieces and bury her in the forest after sex 😛 ) > > But fallout is not (primarily) about having sex with a girl, it’s about creating a bond with her that is near impossible to break, so you need to make sure the girl exposed to the fallout mix isn’t a raving lunatic… which is why it is actually a GOOD thing that the fallout process takes some time to fully develop. Love this right here haha. Reminds me of a time before I wore mones I would mess with this one female.. Guess my charm had a fallout mix because this girl.. Even to this day, though I’ve ignored her for 3 years, hasn’t yet stopped calling and texting me trying to ‘hang out’.. I think you got to be very careful with having a fallout mix. I’m starting to think that if you want her to go crazy sexually over you, find a sexual mix (like the ones we’ve been suggesting) and just make sure to always wear it around her.. She’ll give you the response you want, at least whenever in your presence. ---
**Author:** ![lawlercopter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@lawlercopter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lawlercopter)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/33 "2016-01-16T05:09:57Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > I think what your going for hasn’t yet been discovered necessarily. > > One thing I can tell you is that when I wear TUTH/TAC/HEDIONE, it can get me laid pretty much instantly when first meeting someone. And when I meet up with someone to have sex, she’ll react in the way you mentioned, like my sex is the best thing and she can’t live without it and wants more and more. > But I have not seen a simultaneous fallout effect with this. Jdub, if you don’t mind me asking… I have a few questions about the Hedione… 1. Are you using straight Hedione (diluted with SD Alcohol 40-B or the like) or are you using a product that contains it? 2. How much of a difference do you see with Hedione vs. without it? I’m probably going to order some this week, I was thinking of making a spray of around 10% in EtOH since I know many E/Os can be massive skin irritants. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/34 "2016-01-16T05:45:15Z")
I buy the hedione pure and I mix it 25-33% in Perfumers Alcohol. The 40-B. In the same 30ml spray bottles from androtics. I spray 2-4 sprays on my neck. The scent is pretty strong, and if I begin to sweat where I sprayed it, I will get what I call a ‘menthol burn’.. Sort of like a cool stinging sensation. I find Hedione makes things way better, in fact I never use a mix without it. With it, the DIHLs happen way more.. And a woman’s desire for sex is also greater. And finally one very interesting thing I’ve noticed is that with Hedione and my ‘mix 1’, women seem to never want to leave my presence. I’ve had women be late to appointments and meetings and even appointments to make money. They literally gave up making some money just to stay with me a few extra minutes. In fact, I find women will almost never leave (if they’re with me) or ask me to leave (if I’m with them). I find myself being the one telling them goodbye. I’ve never seen this without Hedione even with other mones. For instance, earlier last year I started messing with one of my exes again. She would basically come over to my house in the morning before going to her morning college classes. She would basically come over and we’d have sex and then she’d leave to class, often in a rush.. Then I started wearing Hedione.. Everything changed.. She never even tried to leave. After sex she would just lay there next to me often passing out and would never get up to leave unless I made her. She was late so many days it was crazy. So yeah, I’d say my mixes pale in comparison without Hedione. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 8:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/35 "2016-01-16T08:17:16Z")
stazz. I guess you’ll get that kind of mix only in the movies. There’s no short cut to social and sexual attraction. I might remind you again, we are not selling magic potion here. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Smellymen2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Smellymen2002](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellymen2002)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/36 "2016-01-16T14:24:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > And IME, the crazy ones, where they do respond, tend to respond very well to fallout mixes, so overly-fast development/investment is in itself something to keep a weather-eye out for. But the sex is so much better 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/37 "2016-01-16T17:12:24Z")
> [@Smellymen2002](#): > > But the sex is so much better 🙂 Swings and roundabouts certainly but I’d prefer not to go to my doctor with any more “sex-related injuries,” she’s had enough eye-widening moments at my expense! :o 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/38 "2016-01-16T17:18:25Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > I’m starting to think that if you want her to go crazy sexually over you, find a sexual mix (like the ones we’ve been suggesting) and just make sure to always wear it around her.. She’ll give you the response you want, at least whenever in your presence. Doing that can backfire on you, badly. Whilst women are usually just as horny as men, IME they tend to be much more situational about it. So regularly wearing overt sexuals when she’s not in a position to let her hair down and get horny enough to do something with her feelings is going to result in her response turning right round and her getting detached, grumpy and even angry instead - all of which weaken attraction towards you. ---
**Author:** ![Smellymen2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Smellymen2002](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellymen2002)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/39 "2016-01-16T21:03:45Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Doing that can backfire on you, badly. > > Whilst women are usually just as horny as men, IME they tend to be much more situational about it. So regularly wearing overt sexuals when she’s not in a position to let her hair down and get horny enough to do something with her feelings is going to result in her response turning right round and her getting detached, grumpy and even angry instead - all of which weaken attraction towards you. Why do you think that is? I would think that if you make her horny in a place that is not appropriate, then why wouldn’t she want to go out with you later, so she can let her hair down? I guess I don’t understand women, I have heard that if you a make a girl horny but she is not attracted to you that can be weird. Then the question is how can you make a women horny, if she is not attracted? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423/40 "2016-01-17T00:04:51Z")
> [@Smellymen2002](#): > > Why do you think that is? I would think that if you make her horny in a place that is not appropriate, then why wouldn’t she want to go out with you later, so she can let her hair down? > > I guess I don’t understand women, I have heard that if you a make a girl horny but she is not attracted to you that can be weird. Then the question is how can you make a women horny, if she is not attracted? Nonetheless, that’s how it seems to go more often than not - If she gets horny where its uncomfortable/unwelcome for her, then its your fault - . she gets hacked-off and you are mostly taken as being creepy, pushy, too-horny or sexually aggressive etc, which tends to turn most women right-off but in a slightly more relaxed or sexually charged.uninhibited environment, its great and hitting her in all the right ways possible. Which is why its important to keep your secondary/steering mones in mind for the widest use as if you have them right, its fairly easy to tune the sexual impact as the mood requires. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/low-cost-fallout-mix/65423.md?page=3)