# LTR phero advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 23, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246 "2010-07-23T03:57:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/1 "2010-07-23T03:57:50Z")
I’m a 17 y/o guy. mexican looking.. egyptian (not sexy or cute looking. not ugly. just normal).. skinny.. not ripped.. not TALL or short.. so this girl ive been talkin to from school its been some time now are now more than just friends 😉 if you know what i mean.. i made her believe (because it was actually true ) while we were still friends that she’s really out-of-my-league and that im seeing other girls and even she saw me tryin to date another girl once… she was surprised when i told her i like her but i was surprised that she didnt tell me she just didnt want me as a friend too. 😮 she would always tell me how she would LOVE to date a big buff spanish/latino/may be arab guy that is all alpha and stuff.. now she just likes me and is really trying to hold on into me but not really showing it (she always tells me how she doesn’t like showing her feelings)… on the first date, i went WAYYYY past her personal space (she doesnt like to get touched by any guy in general. i touched her so much i KNOW she was kinda horny or havin fun lol).. she’s really reserved by parents and never had a bf before. looking wise my friends say shes a 6 or a 7 max/10 but for me i see her as a perfect 10 since i like her lol 😛 now before our second date (me chillin with her by ourselves) i decided to put some mones since ive been a good reader of the forums for a good time now and have goood faith on them and really got no doubt bout them working.. now into the golden question.. what mones should i be wearin?.. ive already ordered IH to-go .. since my buddy is willing to try out ANY [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) i was kinda wondering what other mones should i use with IH… I will have IH + free gift… 2 pheros chosen by me for my buddy + free gift (he won’t mind me using them just for a date)… so i have the choice of picking two more pheros.. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW i see that ppl, especially guys, normally give me some kind of respect.. confidence wise im pretty confident (smoke trees, stress-free)… dont get paranoid at all… usually girls dont show any OPEN interest in me or RARELY do except if I know them (or may be sometimes but i just dismiss it as they are just looking at me or checkin me out… im always wearin cool tshirts 😉 ) i tend to give off a slightly a “bad” type of a guy vibe.. once i get into a convo with a girl tho it all gets flowin usually… im not shy @ all from girls.. got no problems fitting in with most people.. im usually a “chill” type of person.. hope with all this information someone would really help me out pick some pheros that would do a great job in my second “date” with her 🙂 sorry for all wall post just kinda intoxicated and if you dont want to read then ALT F4 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/2 "2010-07-23T04:10:04Z")
p51mustang.. i know ur replying to my thread. but when u do please refresh my thread and re-read it cauz ive added some stuff 😃 lolll im good edit: it doesnt seem like p51mustang is gunna reply to this thread @ all ☹ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/3 "2010-07-23T04:47:35Z")
Well two things come to mind so far, I’m just trying to understand. You’re 17, and how old is she? Just confused, your profile says you’re 29. IH works well for deeper conversation (might keep you in the friend zone) you don’t have any attraction based mix. Typically AMMO/TUTH would work for that. You just made a couple of critical errors when speaking with her. She’s looking for an alpha male, you made yourself beta in her view by telling her she’s out of your league, never ever ever say that. One, you should believe that your beliefs are the only thing that are preventing you from getting the best and being the best and getting what you want. Since you got past that, try not to make that mistake in the future, just for reference. Now I would get IG and AMMO if you’re going to order something. You gotta make sure you’re confident, you can’t be beta-ing yourself at all or it’s not going to go anywhere. AMMO will help with the attraction hits, and IG still gives off that alpha male vibe so you have both working for you with her preference. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 5:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/4 "2010-07-23T05:00:35Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Well two things come to mind so far, I’m just trying to understand. > > You’re 17, and how old is she? Just confused, your profile says you’re 29. I’m 17 and she’s 17 🙂 lol. > [@](#): > > IH works well for deeper conversation (might keep you in the friend zone) you don’t have any attraction based mix. Typically AMMO/TUTH would work for that. Heard TUTH would be too much for my age. Is that true? Which one between AMMO/TUTH should I buy? Or both are actually good together? > [@](#): > > You just made a couple of critical errors when speaking with her. She’s looking for an alpha male, you made yourself beta in her view by telling her she’s out of your league, never ever ever say that. One, you should believe that your beliefs are the only thing that are preventing you from getting the best and being the best and getting what you want. Since you got past that, try not to make that mistake in the future, just for reference. thanks for the advice! but i think i really handled it good. i showed an alpha picture while showing her she’s out of my league, otherwise she wouldnt like me.. i was REALLY beta few years ago and she already knew that.. so i had to change to a more heavy alpha type in front of her.. lol trust me i got that tho 😃 😃 haha > [@](#): > > Now I would get IG and AMMO if you’re going to order something. You gotta make sure you’re confident, you can’t be beta-ing yourself at all or it’s not going to go anywhere. AMMO will help with the attraction hits, and IG still gives off that alpha male vibe so you have both working for you with her preference. IG was actually one of top choice. AMMO? didn’t think about that but sure.. so IG + IS + AMMO? or IG + IH + AMMO? or IG + AMMO? or IG + AMMO + IS + IH LOL? > [@](#): > > Good luck with that. thank you for your time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/5 "2010-07-23T05:03:53Z")
IS you can add but I don’t think it’s necessary. I’m not sure if you only have to-go’s or 30mls IG+AMMO+IH would work the best on that date in my opinion. 2-3x IG, 1x AMMO, 2-4x IH ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 5:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/6 "2010-07-23T05:08:23Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > IS you can add but I don’t think it’s necessary. I’m not sure if you only have to-go’s or 30mls IG+AMMO+IH would work the best on that date in my opinion. 2-3x IG, 1x AMMO, 2-4x IH Will use that mix then 🙂 is there any worries about the number of sprays? i dont think ill have enough time testing EACH product by itself. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ltr-phero-advice/40246/7 "2010-07-23T05:09:46Z")
yeah those are the ranges I would use, 2x IG 1x AMMO 3x IH