# lwatkins test log **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [November 25, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569 "2013-11-25T16:44:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/101 "2014-04-29T14:20:37Z")
> [@lwatkins](#): > > Are you suggesting I dilute this with a scented or unscented PA? > AD suggests that the neroli acts as a carrier, but on the other hand you mentioned greater success diluting w/ unscented PA in the case of P83. I was not sure if you were suggesting the same in this case. I determined about a year ago that discussing the chemistry and physics of fragrance and fixatives would be beyond the scope of this board. However, the insurance Gecko is instructive: it climbs glass without any adhesives at all. Many pheromones are trial error, because of the [Quantum dynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dynamics) [File:Brownian motion large.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brownian_motion_large.gif) of the pheros, solvent, fragrance(s) and fixatives interacting together, with air molecules and the skin. And I got _really_ fed up with being told that stuff didn’t work, when I saw time and time it did. All the putatives come in a standard fragrance package. But the standard may not work for every molecule. The standard freebie spray of P102 in wide use seems to favor dilution to 1/2, or 2.5 mcg per spray. I also have 2.5 mcg in the standard, undiluted. I may experiment if 4 sprays of 2.5 undiluted work as well as 4 of 1.25. There is a brief post mention somewhere on the forum of chemical physics. I’m sure that’s something they’d like to do here eventually. Contrary to popular opinion, I think they do grasp the science pretty well here. That’s why they run MX’s in different packages. The chemistry of the fragrance matters. The literal shape and size of the molecule affects the brain. Some say tiny molecule may even pass through porous bone into the skull itself. You trade some longevity in dilution for higher impact. Looking at it differently, if a product says it has 100 mcg of erone per dose, that amount of molecule isn’t necessary. It’s bad diffusion. Combining the wrong molecules in a garage “pheromone lab” will only bind them in all the wrong ways. The same way as food stains in cotton fabric. Which is why corporations have surfactant chemists to design stain removers. Bottom line: dilution with unscented perfumer’s alcohol can improve performance in many, but not all situations. These are my findings. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/102 "2014-04-29T16:36:04Z")
L.S. that’s TWENTY sprays.. I’m an animal MMDR it can climb glass, and penetrate the skull like they told me in Driver’s ED. Tailgating causes traffic jams. this nanogram testing is finally starting to make sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/103 "2014-04-29T19:13:23Z")
LSci got the wrong spray size. Nanograms is really appropriate for -eNone. About 250 nano would be fine for women. 12.5 mcg is closer to correct for P78. Geckos climb, and even pheros and fragrances can attract each other, by the electrical attractions of the molecules. Similar to magnetic poles. The attraction is very much present in water molecules. Especially fluid water. The transition from fluid pheromone to solid solute on the skin to vapor is of interest. It seems like using half as much DPG makes it vaporize better and less fixative is desired. This would have to be tested in a special MX fragrance package, since all putatives have the same DPG. DPG also attracts water, so that is a factor using 151-proof vs. pure alcohol. It seems like glycerol would work, but I have never tried. Afferent nerves pass through the porous bone to the brain from the nose. So small micron mones could possibly do it. I read that somewhere. Not sure the source. Larger molecules are around .001 micron, for reference. Oxygen is much smaller. The 4-letter username is an idea: LWAT, LSCI, MMDI. As stated below, the fragrance package is complex. Differential diffusion of several molecules. Even DPG isn’t a single molecule. But since there are still _some_ vendors relying almost entirely on empirical testing…as well as global Mega Love and PUA skills…to design their copycat revolutionary products–some of the little I understand of these secrets–will stay that way. > [@Odd difference in effect depending on scent](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-difference-in-effect-depending-on-scent/61805): > > Didn’t think the scent would make any difference, but my Ammo with [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) is intimidating while the regular one isn’t at all. The Akuto one is double strength but of course I take that into consideration and use only 1-1,5 spray, while I usually go with 3 or 4 with the standard one (FF21). They work in totally different ways. Both are good but I find that the Akuto Ammo leaves all initiative up to me, even when it comes to talking to people I already know, albeit not well. Good friends talk to … ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/104 "2014-04-30T13:22:54Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Gecko is instructive: it climbs glass without any adhesives at all. Quantum dynamics. Van der Waals forces quickly vanish at longer distances between interacting molecules. The type of Van der Walls interactions which dominate will vary depending on the molecular weight of the alcohol. we featured these people in a program I worked on recently here at the broadcast center, so some background of the concept is fresh in my mind: ‘Crazy’ Tape Holds Weight of Man : Discovery News ([http://news.discovery.com/tech/gecko-tape-111107.htm](http://news.discovery.com/tech/gecko-tape-111107.htm)) FWI: I took a Quantum Mechanics 101 class taught by [Herb Bernstein](https://hampedia.org/wiki/Herbert_J._Bernstein) back in college, although his teaching mostly focused on Quantum Computing - information processing and communication. There is some overlapping application here with Quantum Dynamics and Brownian motion. His latest research is on mutli-dimensional quantum teleportation, entitled “Semi-Teleportation: doing more by trying less.” It is the subject of a new NASA grant (via University of Illinois) to fund the actual experiment. “there is NO pre-existing microphysical reality” H.B… then he would fill 3 chalkboards with mathematical equations to back up his arguments. I should dig up his notes on diffusion, atlhough I think it had more focus on nanocomputing and deep space communication. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > The standard freebie spray of P102 in wide use seems to favor dilution to 1/2, or 2.5 mcg per spray. I also have 2.5 mcg in the standard, undiluted. I may experiment if 4 sprays of 2.5 undiluted work as well as 4 of 1.25. I get a noticeable effect every time I use this. 1 spray @ 5 mcgs + 1 drop A314, my wife has literally dragged me to the bedroom on her lunch break multiple times. Best A314 combo so far for me. Enhancement of hits with other women have been consistent. Women literally follow my signature around without any eye contact. The enhancement of music listening, entertainment venues, and crowds seems distinct to me. Gave me a new appreciation for types I music I previously didn’t care about. Very excited to see what results I could get diluting this. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > The literal shape and size of the molecule affects the brain. Some say tiny molecule may even pass through porous bone into the skull itself. Afferent nerves pass through the porous bone to the brain from the nose. So small micron mones could possibly do it. I have a Merv 13 filter on my heat pump - takes out less than 75% from 0.3 to 1 micron, but over 90% above 1 micron. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Larger molecules are around .001 micron It did take on some of the scent package and has some eNone smell, however the house now smells largely of eNone due to higher level use at night. The scent just seems to hang indefinitely, until I air it out on nice days. My feeling is that the low-dust environment causes the pheros to hang in the air much longer. I was thinking pheros must bind to the dust. Don’t dust particles attract water? Rain starts from dust particles, doesn’t it? > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > high mcg dose is bad diffusion. You trade some longevity in dilution for higher impact. dilution with unscented perfumer’s alcohol can improve performance in many, but not all situations. It actually did not occur to me that there was both DPG and alcohol in the dosed putatives. I have no idea the ratios that would be used. I had seen that DPG and alcohol are both offered in the store, but I don’t know how DPG is used. DPG is a mix of three isomeric chemical compounds. I assume that’s to reduce it’s toxicity, or to improve the solvent properties. It seems like you are saying the ratio of fixative to alcohol needs to change based on the molecular weight of the putative molecule. Perhaps with sufficient impact, we can drive the molecule though the porous bone structures to the nerves. I get some of the science here, but I’m a bit foggy where you are going with this. Of course, some fogginess is probably appropriate. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > the fun part will be if you can tell me whether fragrances cause mones diffusion by hydrogen bonding! “In low molecular weight alcohols, the hydrogen-bonding properties of the polar hydroxyl group dominate the weaker van der Waals’ interactions.” …“Methanol has the shortest carbon chain of all alcohols (one carbon atom) followed by ethanol (two carbon atoms.)” I haven’t quite put this all together yet… > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > pheros and fragrances can attract each other, by the electrical attractions of the molecules. Changing the weight of the solvent will change the type of attraction properties that dominate. Adding enough alcohol… Adding more distance… causes much of these attractions to vanish. H-bonding does something to diffusion coefficient I think. My other thought is that if you want to drive a small molecule though the porus mesh that is the human skull, you need it to not be attracted to a fragrance with lesser diffusion or greater diamater than would penetrate. You talked about attraction, but I wondered if these particles can also be magnetically repelled out, so as to increase diffusion. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > The 4-letter username is an idea: LWAT, LSCI, MMDI. I use LWIV occasionally, since I have a suffix. I like 4-letter usernames. Rather simpler. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/105 "2014-04-30T14:13:42Z")
4/29 Wearing nothing. I come home and notice the house still smells like eNone. My wife comes home, and places her hand on my crotch right at the doorway. “I’ve been missing you so much”. she goes upstairs to tend to baby, and by the time she comes down I’ve added [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) 1 1/2 sprays @ 5 mcgs / spray 2x IG 1/2 TUTH I make dinner & she says at the table “Daddy rocks” and “your the man” type comments. “I’ve been missing you soooo much today” several times when she’s talking, she looses her train of thought… words trail off.. and goes off into space land. After putting son to bed Add 1x TUTH. she’s very touchy-feely on the couch. “I can’t stop thinking about you at work”.. “I need you tonight” takes a while to put the baby to sleep… but a sudden downpour wakes us in the middle of the night and it’s on ==== The previous day, I was wearing this same mix and did not scrub it before work the next day (i was in my office all day no interruptions).. did not add anything. At end of my shift this very young half-Japanese / half white girl (9/10) comes in to take my spot. She chats me up for about 15 min telling me all about her life, her family, etc. For the first time, she never mentions her boyfriend (usually it’s every conversation). She starts talking about “the strong and rapid bonding w/ friends” that takes place while working on video location shoots (trying to tell me something…?). Then she gets red, rubs her sternum, and then her words trail off… rapid bonding…, then completely out to space. Then eyes back to me eye contact :o_sigh_, no words…, rubs around her neck/chest… uh… I have to go! I say! Later! (thinking, oh shit!) ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/106 "2014-04-30T21:05:08Z")
I’m reasonably sure I now understand fallout. My instincts were right over a year ago. [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) or TAF. 1 mcg or _as much as required to observe effect_. Paired with IG, A314 or even Instant Sexiness. The latter three transmit status and health via social means. BNOL, IH, A1 and P74 effect emotional and mental communication. There may be other molecules besides F and 75. These are the two where confidence is high. It is a specific endogenous biochemical messenger that is signaling monogamous bonding. Think of it as an overlay upon the Rone/None men concept. Any mone that activates this biochemical pathway will activate the pair bonding signal and CNS pathways. The requisite mixes should contain a gender signal (314, IG, AMMO, Sexiness) + F or 75. Or both. This needs further testing of the kind from LSCI. I don’t agree that IH, 74 or A1 are necessary. They will merely facilitate the relationship. There must be two people willing and able to “nest.” This is signaled via the Sexiness or 314, for example. The 75 or F merely adds another signal that changes things to signal LTR vs. ONS. P79, 80, 91 and 102 require further study. Instinct suggests P96 would be used to amplify once a nuclear bond is established: cohabitation. 74, IH, BNOL and 96 would be useful at that time. The occasional use of F or P75 merely reminds of the original bonding event. I think that is what you are getting. This best describes the “reset” reported with F. _Remember_ is a better word here than reset. Your best results would come using 75 or F when fidelity doubts arise. Even P75 just itself will work. F will not. Women would pair F + Sexiness or copulins, etc. I don’t know if it would work for gays. I think not. Hetero mating (children) is implicit in the theory. The exact details of the fallout hypothesis will be examined further. The specific biochemical compounds will not be disclosed. This will allow Androtics to exploit the uniqueness of P75 and TAF in the marketplace and submit the hypothesis to more rigorous study. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/107 "2014-04-30T21:31:21Z")
I think most of your comments about molecular interactions are on target. They define the properties of solvents and everything dissolved in the solvents. Then, the really complex thermodynamics of vaporization of pheros into an atmosphere of mixed gasses and variable dewpoints factors in. That would need computer modeling, a test chamber, artificial skin… Other vendors lack the skill to contemplate this, and I shall not help them. We simply acknowledge that it exists. The genius websites out there can hire a consultant to work the equations and molecular modeling. In between heavy duty PUA romps and spreading global love. Only they probably can’t and won’t. Then, you add the complexity of bidirectional feedback between the Main Olfactory System and the brain (smell affects emotion, emotion affects smell perception; repeat, repeat)…it makes modeling the behavior of any mix that much more complex. It all depends upon subjective perceptions, polymorphisms, expression of enzymes, neurotransmitters and alleles that vary within groups of individuals between groups. The best we can hope for is to apply some science as a flashlight to guide the testing and lighten the darkness just slightly. What I do see out there is that almost everything is based on “cooking recipes” of mixes and testing. This will have to change. You hit against a brick wall where the alchemy of testing can’t take you further. Then, you hit the _books_. I see formulas that are intense hits and bad misses. Very few that hit 75% of the time across all demographics. 314, 75 and TAF are amongst the ones that do what they do very consistently. They always get _attention_. Usually, the attention is a net positive. But the hits are always there. PS: I hear often a nearly fanatical mythology about “testing.” PTalk invented phero testing that everyone slavish copies. However, well-intentioned aims somehow became perverted into dogma by a confused public. The notion came that he who tested the most mones became ruler of Mone Kingdom. This is unscientific nonsense. My perceptions have ZERO universal application. We each have a unique genome. Small variations affect countless olfactory and other receptors. My processing of P75 is not necessarily universal. The fact the you have tested something is only applicable to **you**. This post mentions gene TAS2R8. There countless genes expressing GABA A subunits, all of which will potentially vary from person to person, affecting P96, TAC and other perceptions. If we want to test properly, we have to give up cult devotion to Pheromone Gurus. To do otherwise is total junk science. Gurus and their cults are driven by ego, fear, ignorance and the implicit contract that devotion=sex. There are some very good people, but none ever so good as the **pedestal** we put them on. Not me, not you, not anyone needs to drink the fucking Malinckrodt-cyanide pheromone Grape Flavor Aid in the steaming jungle anymore. Do not confuse promises of universal love and hugs for cultism. [GABAA receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABAA_receptor#Subunits) [List of Mendelian traits in humans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mendelian_traits_in_humans) Redheads, dentists, anesthetics, and Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs) [Rs1805007 - SNPedia](http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs1805007) ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/108 "2014-05-01T04:17:56Z")
I don’t necessarily think you need a test patch of skin. I would replace the skin with a non-absorbent test paper at different distances from different dilutions/solutions sprays in different atmospheres of humidity, to test the concentration and configuration of the molecules once it settles on the paper. But MMDI (like a midi cable!) is right- this can be computerized. It’s just more realistic to use natural air (atmospheric pressure, etc) to test diffusion rates and effects on the spray. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/109 "2014-05-06T12:44:33Z")
4/30 Swim class for son, brought daughter. I stay at side of pool. [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) 1 1/2 sprays, 2x IG, 1/2 heat. There are 4 young mothers & their kids. They moms each introduce themselves and I end up with a crowd of young women around me. There is a whole pool to wonder around, but the women stay crowded around me the entire class. I get several arm touches. Several of the women make friends w/ each other and exchange phone numbers. Women are very easy to prompt to tell me all about their lives. One African american woman, overweight, is standing about 6 inches from me the whole class at 90 degree angle, but does not make eye contact and remains mostly quiet… however she and another women just happen to describe exactly precisely where they live It’s the blue house at x and y street, with the fig tree.. (In case I want to drop by, unannounced?) Friday 5/2 My wife successfully got her boss fired and an immediate promotion to take his place. along with a huge raise. this is the 3rd time she’s gotten a boss fired. She is quite concerned that since she will need to work longer hours now, I will be unhappy. Fidelity concerns!! I used 2 sprays of P75 @ 5 mcgs each. Plus 2x IG, and 1/2 heat. continue this thought the weekend, wash and refresh halfway though the day At this does she keeps burring her head into my chest, or laying it on my shoulder, like her neck just goes limp. This happens over and over. She keeps saying “I just keep thinking how much I need you”. We have sex 3 days in a row, which hasn’t happened in a long time. Monday, cinco de mayo P75 1 1/2 sprays, 2x IG, 1/2 heat. walk into supervisors office and get him talking about 4K TV broadcast standards we are working on, which he may have learned more about at NAB conference. He takes me very seriously and gets out head R&D guy in the office and we all discuss and joke about where the industry is going and what we can make of it. they set up another meeting so they can spend more time getting my thoughts on the matter and go over more details. I also run into old supervisor in the hallway and he offers me another shadow opportunity to learn how he does his new job. did notice he got quite red in the face. Getting home, a woman in our building is yelling to me from a friend’s balcony begging me to go to some party with her in another unit. she doesn’t want to go unless I go with her… she says “can you lead me in…( to the party)”. She’s moving out sometime later this week. Over at the next unit over a bunch of my neighbors sound super drunk and loud, partying. Wife gets home late and I make pizza … when I sit on the couch with her, she immediately puts her hand on my crotch and we make out for a while.. but the baby never goes to sleep until late, I fall asleep. In the morning she tells me how she was still thinking about sex. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/110 "2014-05-06T17:34:33Z")
[List of Mendelian traits in humans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mendelian_traits_in_humans) “Ability to taste phenylthiocarbamid”…“may be correlated with a dislike of plants in the Brassica genus, presumably due to chemical similarities.” This might explain why I hate brussel sprouts ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/111 "2014-05-07T02:04:42Z")
I had brought a box of candy to some strategic-post-operations ladies (All four pregnant) the other day, they had all crowded around me and lingered (maybe it was just the candy) usual high p75 (7.5 mcg) mix as of late… They all sent me thank you emails and i heard them talking about me in the hallway… 5/6 A314 1 drop, [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) 1 spray @5 mcg. 2x IG, 1/2 TUTH Added one drop of S.L. b-nol from their dropper. Meeting of top technical broadcast R & D guys for the broadcast company, about UHD/4K TV standards that are still being contemplated. Thinking, how in the world did i pull this together??? They want to know who organized the meeting.. Um yeah that would be me, even though i am 4 levels below you! I actually managed to steer this meeting pretty well, despite the strong personalities. I’m impressed with myself. Added 1 add’l spray of P75, and one of TUTH. Later that night, i somehow talked my wife into having unplanned sex in a different part of the house. This is a huge mile stone since it hasn’t happened since before we moved out of our first house and in w the in- laws… Almost two years. Also we had sex twice in a row with only i think a 4-5 min recharge… Cant remember how many years since i pulled that one off. Generally, seems like 10 mcg of p75 is a ten for positive aroused & highly submissive response… With a bit of heat, really gets things going that direction. IG just smooths over our mood nicely, charismatic. My ears still ring, but no worse than at 2.5 mcg. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/112 "2014-05-08T17:30:03Z")
5/7 Son’s pool lessons. (he did great), I wear [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) @ 7.5 mcg, heat @ 1/2, 1x IG. Several of the ladies show up wearing much fancier outfits & makeup than they wore at the first class. The african american lady was quiet as usual, but once again stood 2-3 feet away from my side the whole time dressed up very fancy outfit & jewels. The women were crowding me a bit, more pronounced than last time. There is a “family” changing room, and while I was in there one lady who had spoken to me a lot, she bent all the way over and pressed her ass completely into me 3 times, while I was sitting. yoga pants. like right against my shoulder. 3x! not such a subtle invitation. Come home wife is cooking me dinner. (she does’t cook). And it’s a fancy dinner! That night wife gets home, she says “we need to have sex tonight!”. She wakes me up in the middle of the night. unusual efforts on her part as of late. 5/8 Yoga class @ work. 2 sprays P75 @ 5 mcg / spray. 1 spray heat 1 spray IG 1 1/2 sprays P83 @ 25 mcg / spray African american woman who says hi to me in the hallways follows me to the elevator, strikes up a conversation about “fun on the weekends”… nothing in particular, she just wants to talk about fun stuff. She follows me walkng around about 2 inches from me the whole way in. At the end of class, another woman who was sitting near strikes up conversation about not wanting to go back to work etc… she’s lingering trying to make convo w/ me. African american instuctor also comes over and sits closer w/ me on the floor… two woman lingering w/ me!!! She corrected my pose three times, at least once put her hand on my thigh right up by my crotch) .. what’s up with the all the crotch grabs lately??? It was just as close as she could possibly get away with. I purposfully stayed long enough that normally people would have gotten on their way - but they didn’t! They kept trying to draw out the conversastions. I leave to elevator, instructor follows me to elevator, she starts tellling me about her sleeping / morning routines, wants to know about my routines in life. She mentions something about sleeping with her boyfriend. She follows me VERY closely walking, giving up personal details. The P83 really took off with this combo in this particular environment. I was seeing major reductions in personal space and some sexy talk / verbal disinhibiting. Lots of lingering in particular. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/113 "2014-05-08T23:59:38Z")
5/8 Update! Disaster strikes and due to some phenomenal screwup on her part, my wife now will not be promoted to be the next director of development for this nonproffit kids charter school. Something about another missed deadline. Many tears ensue. But here is where my jupirnal turns out to be so valuable. Her boss new boss told her that she should look to her husband as a model of how to be so incredibly approachable and charasmatic and outgoing at these big group fundraisers. The key word she stressses was approachable. Now her boss is saying she could have promoted her if only she was more like me… What was i wearing that night, apparently this woman is very hard to impress…oh yes, she and her lesbian bottom were there and i totally got her korean girlfriend hitting on me! Where is that post…i will update with that mix. ## The value here is i got to hear how that mix went over from the women’s point of view.. And not my wife, but her boss. Ok found it, it was… 2x IG, 2 sprays [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) @ 5 mcgs / each. 1 1/2 sprays TUTH Then right before the event..added P102 5 mcg from to-go Boss is late 30s white latina and very alpha, Her partner is very young looking s. lorean expat girl, kittenish Both confirmed lesbians were very flirty and are still swooning Here is what i was thinking, back when i went to this big dance event recently i did the same mix but with 4x of P 102 at 4 per, and 2x of p96 at 25 per… There was a group of what appeared to be lesbians following me around and lingering…i commented on this previously. Now i got this feeeling that ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/114 "2014-05-09T00:17:27Z")
Normally, strict lesbians wouldn’t hit on TUTH (so the rumor goes / MadisonTate / MadTater). I’ve seen hits with P102 and 103 on hetero-leaning types. Also [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/). If it were just TUTH / IG, she’d have probably tagged you just another generic sperm donor. That mix was pushing buttons for five floors at once. Like “good baby daddy” signature? ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/115 "2014-05-14T12:15:48Z")
Cousin’s Wedding 5/10 1 1/2 sprays P83 @ 25 mcg / spray 2 sprays P75 @ 5 mcgs / spray 1 1/2 TUTH 2x IG 2 drops S.L. B-nol to back of hands It seemed that anyone who came into my sights, I would introduce myself and talk to them, and they would seem very impressed with me. My uncle’s brother, who I’m pretty sure is gay, was DITH, and just held my hand until I took my hand back! Totally weird moment. My brother’s wife (also Latina from Honduras) was talking to me endlessly the whole night. She just would not stop talking to me - she was going off on these super-deep mythological cosmic-journey conversations. I mean that is the kind of thing she thinks about (INFJ)- but it was all spilling out the whole evening - usually she’s so introverted just quietly pondering her cosmic inner-world. On the dance-floor, I think that was the best job I’ve ever done LEADING the dance and getting my wife to actually FOLLOW. At the same time, people got very dis-inhibited on the dancefloor. My mother was unusually dis-inhibited on the dance floor - she’s usually much more uptight. She acted dis-inhibited in the way drunk people sometimes do dancing, except she didn’t actually seem drunk. My wife drank way too much and got plastered at the after-party… I decided since the wedding was in the middle of the day we all should go to a bar after, and the whole group of younger people followed my lead. My cousins were asking me what we should order, etc. My one cousin, his GF wanted to split her dinner with me and chatted me up. He kept acting like I was “the man”. My wife did not seem to have any self-control about the drinking and was a bit embarrassed the next day. The next morning- mother’s day, making panckakes and eggs for the moms 2x IG 1x Heat 2 sprays P75 @ 5 mcg /spray Two of the moms, when giving me hugs, comment “god you smell so good”! to me in separate conversations. It could just be the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) smell on the IG I use, I don’t know. My mother has said this a few times when wearing this IG too (on other occasions), and said the same thing for the A314 oil… I think the women in my family just go crazy for this Akuto scent. Several of the guys again commented how I was the man, I was so in charge of things, etc. I was bossing people around quite a bit actually. People were doing pretty much whatever I told them to do, but it was quite friendly. On the trip back in the car, wife’s cousin falls asleep with her legs spread wide… and her fist pressed into her crotch… wow, pleasant dreams… meanwhile, my wife spends much of the drive caressing my fingertips and up my thigh. I can’t complain. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/116 "2014-05-14T15:31:39Z")
5/14 - 2x IG (akuto) 2 sprays [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/), 5 mcgs / spray 1 1/2 spray TUTH Curious to see what happens at work if I upped the heat. I know, I know, but curiosity kills me sometimes. 1. in the tape library at work, two women were competing for my attention and giggling / joking loudly. Very flirty!! I had to figure out how to make an exit. They added me to their walking/jogging club thing at work. Invite in the inbox. Oh great. Now I have to walk. 2. guy came into my room who I work with and says what is that smell that’s amazing! what is that smell!!! It’s amazing where can I buy that??? He was freaking out. I told him it was a gift my wife got me, can’t remember. 3. girl who I used to work with who was always so bitchy, but now she’s in different dept, in cafe - total DITHL. She was kinda nervious but kinda interested. She was respectful no “gotta run” kind of thing. Funny how I can totally corner people with this mix and they kinda just go with it but aren’t sure what’s going on. It’s like WHOA! But they are belted in. update: went over to tape library to visit S. Korean girl’s office cube to see how she would react to this mix. Very Friendly, as usual, she’s very relaxed and casually chatty as usual. She seems a bit more comfortable than earlier interactions a few weeks back. A bit of blush a few min into talking. She adjusted / hiked up her bra about 10x… she’s a DD at least - with that petite waist that koreans can have.. plus really eccentric & bright-color clothing choices, and laid-back easy going attitude… single, mid-early 20’s?? So yeah, I like these nice flirty (& subtly sexy) convos… I really want to have her join me at a coffee house nearby or something, outside of work. God, my wife would kill me. I have to think it over. is it so wrong? I’d probably get myself into trouble… argh. I think if I keep running this mix I’lll end up banging her in the coat room closet or whatever they have here. Deep breath. Maybe I should dial the heat back a bit… I can see why they say this is not work-appropriate. 5/13 I did this same mix after work yesterday (yes I know, I know, I just want to know what it does), but at 2 1/2 TUTH, and add’l 1/2 or full spray of P75, not sure how much, and walked into the CVS, the manager, thin/fit middle-age black woman, came up to me out of nowhere while I’m playing around with the Kodak “print your pics off facebook” computer, and told me “it was too bad she got her tubes tied”. and it “would be just silly to want to have another baby again now”… she repeats two more times, muttering to herself _ **"JUST SILLY!!** _" and she just keeps talking and talking like this TMI.. getting closer and closer to my face. Me: “well now you have your free time…” her: “I hear they can reverse that now”. I wasn’t sure how I was going to escape her. Also this huge black dude kept following me around the store, like 2 inches away right behind me, all around the store. kinda too close dude. I kept making random turns and he kept shadowing me super close until the tubal ligation lady cut in. (MMDI: beware the man who can’t get enough P75 and eNone, BEWARE) freaky… So I escape the CVS and go to the Target, decide to hang out in the greeting card section, the blank cards that all have the exact same thing written on the reverse of the card (but there is a lot of text). You would only know the text is the same on all of them if you were not PRETENDING TO READ the text on the back of each one. You see my brilliant plan? Within about 10 minutes, there are 3 women (all thin, white, mid-30’s) - on holding a newborn baby in her arms, all of them hovering around me pretty close, looking at blank decorated cards - each of them taking a nice LOOOONG time to read the text on the back of each card, and then another, and then another. Gotcha. This woman with the baby, she’s got her elderly mother with her who is very cranky and keeps telling her they have to go right now, and the lady is very so casually chuckles at her several times, and continues to hover inches away from me eyes keep darting to me giving that same flirty chuckle that the flirty ladies at the office do. Reading slowly the back of each card. “Oh, I have this friend that I should find a card for…”. Mom.. “who”. “oh my friend, the other one”. mom “who”??? I turn to ask her, can she help me pick out a card, I can’t decide. She giggles incessantly like a school girl - wide-eyed. OK, now I know what it does!!! “PROCREATE: verb - to beget or bring forth (offspring)” At home, wife keeps going on and on about how we are such a great couple, and “she always knew” we were the perfect couple together… etc. arms around me. Very lovey-dovy, in front of the mirror _ **LOOK AT US** _, squeezing me harder. wow, she REALLY likes this combo. No resistance to touching of any kind whatsoever. Hand on the ass, hand on the boob, no complaints about the neighbors seeing though the window… interesting. It’s a done deal. I so far have not gotten any negatives out of her with higher Heat + P75, but it gets pretty sketchy outside the house. Not violent, but definitely escalated into strange & unnerving behavior territory. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/117 "2014-05-14T18:17:07Z")
You’ve got that LS BNOL. Try 50 mcg+ and 20+ mcg P96. Just those two. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/118 "2014-05-16T16:28:05Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > You’ve got that LS BNOL. Try 50 mcg+ and 20+ mcg P96. Just those two. I will need to dilute my LS BNol again as my sprayer is out, hopefully will fit it in this afternoon. But I should be able to try it this weekend. I have a family birthday dinner (there will be drinking), and a baby shower to go to this weekend. By the way this dropper cap that LS is using is not good. The rubber bulb keeps pulling out of the cap, so it’s always on the verge of spilling. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/119 "2014-05-16T17:02:44Z")
4/15 I’m experimenting with eNone (heat) lately at 5 mcg combined with [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) 10 mcg around the usual people I see. Which for me, is a big deal. I’ve always been so stingy with it, I don’t actually know what 2 sprays does to these people (other than my wife, who’s mostly more relaxed/frisky). The interesting thing about my wife is, without the eNone, typically she has all kinds of anxiety issues. With the higher eNone and P75 combo, she is Very Relaxed. Her anxiety level is Way Down low. At first I feared it would make her anxiety worse, but it’s proving to be the oppsite. I’ve also been adding in the P83, which has been languishing for a while… really I meant to dilute the P83, but I don’t have an extra sprayer for that right now. Maybe in my next order. Right now, I’m still waiting on two orders, so… 2x IG 2x Heat (to forearms) 1 drop A314 2x P75 @ 5 mcg / spray 1 1/2 P83 @ 25 mcg / spray oil was spread to front of neck, with sprays over top of it. Yoga class - As soon as I get into the class, instructor asks me how I slept last night. She was still thinking about our previous conversation about my sleep patterns, when she was following me around. This class, the instructor on several occasions, in her semi-transparent black leotard, pressed her entire body into the back of my body for what seem like in excess of 1 full minute. Not just full boobage, but full boobage plus her full body plus her crotch pressing into my ass, hips tucked into me from behind. You might call it spooning, but standing up. She did this not once, but three times! Each time she puts her nose near my neck and inhales deeply (Pranayama). Supposedly to correct my posture slightly. However the one other guy in the class, she corrected his posture in the same way by stepping on his foot and pushing him from an arm-length distance. I did not observe her breathing down his neck, spooning, or anything like that. There are like 12 other women in this class, so I’m sure some of them picked up on this. During the part where I’m supposed to sleep at the end, I open my eyes and she’s staring me down. She glaces away… slowly… Social event at my work. A woman eyes me as I approach and I come directly up to talk to her - 3 second rule. She seems quite interested to talk to me, leans in quite close. She seems a bit awestruck. She mentions her husband several times, as if to impress on me that she had one. She talked about how she knew me from the time I visited her department, but the reality is I’ve never actually met her in person, I only visited someone else in her dept. who had been rather taken with what I was wearing… and I guess ladies talk. But I kept with it, yes it was so nice talking to you I remember! She was then saying how I might like to come up their way and they could give me a tour of how they do work in that dept. yeah, I see. Next I walk over to two women - one who shares my room at a different schedule, half Asian, very pretty, and another woman from the library Korean, they are friends! They are talking to some guy I know, and sitting with him. I stand at the opposite end of the coffee table and just interject occasionally - they are talking about dogs. Slowly but surely, the two women keep adjusting their chairs to face me, and as they are on rollers, they keep rolling closer and closer. then they both get red. they start loosing their trains of thought. bra adjustments. prolonged eye contact. some competitiveness between them to catch my attention picks up. noticeably. within a few minutes the half Asian girl is rubbing her inner thigh all the way up and down with her cell phone, quite sexually, and the other is rubbing her cleavage with one hand and has her other hand as a fist between her legs. Oh goodness. They begin laughing and giggling quite a bit, getting louder. by this point the two ladies are getting crowded close to me, and the guy is completely left out of the conversation, with this quizzical look on his face. but no aggression noted. he’s just kind of muted, looking like he’s ready to get up and walk off. They had both rolled their chairs a full 3 feet from the couch where they had been talking to the guy, all the way around the coffee table towards me. I wasn’t really making much effort with the convo either, just interjections of statements “my dog is half Jack Russel, he does this”. … “he’s also half Bichon Frise, do you think that makes him hypoallergenic”. I mean really, they could have just tuned me out. They both clearly looked like they were getting very turned on. wow. At home no freak out from the wife regarding the P83. The worst it got is when she talked about her promotion and then how we may get free care for the baby finally funded though her work, as some grant got approved that she wrote. So she worried what I would do, all those hours of free time. Ah, yes I wonder too! I’ll stay out of trouble-zone. Which is true. But I’m sure I’ll take the opportunity to keep testing. But no, really, MMDI, I’ve run your test this weekend. BNOL / P96 and the rest of those things I ordered. IF I EVER GET MY ORDERS. The most terrifying words I’ve heard in a long time. “we never got your MO. what was your MO number?” I have no clue. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/120 "2014-05-16T17:32:33Z")
I’ve found that accidental-on-purpose close contact from women is seldom an accident. Their psychology often expresses unspoken IOI this way. But the meaning is seldom vague. Women know what they’re touching, when and why. If it’s more than a passing glance, it’s not an accident. Other hits: anytime a women is talking to you but isn’t obliged to be. She’s interested. I think the TUTH / IG wife mix is sending a powerful message of strong sexual interest in **her** , which is reassuring. Having a child increases her daily anxieties. Single-parenthood isn’t a path she wants to choose. She wants dad at home in bed. For three bucks, I like this little book. I was hoping some women would comment. It validates my life experiences. Women notice shoes and hands. F’ the rolex. Tag Heuer is just fine. Won’t get you robbed at the ATM either. Chicks dig Cole Haan’s and manicures. A weekly trip to the salon is often good for playful boobage. [http://www.amazon.com/Uncovered-Hints-From-Bisexual-Woman-ebook/dp/B006VA9EVE](http://www.amazon.com/Uncovered-Hints-From-Bisexual-Woman-ebook/dp/B006VA9EVE) I’ve got a top secret reading list. No mentions in this or the classified forum. PM me if needed. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569.md?page=5) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569.md?page=7)