# Mad Science **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 12, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244 "2009-10-12T23:57:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/1 "2009-10-12T23:57:21Z")
Hello there all. Found this site a few weeks ago but finally registered an account. For starters, I have to say I think this whole concept is really crazy, and interesting at the same time. Its like there is an actual science to attraction. Kay, a little bit about myself. I’m a 17 year old guy, still in highschool, on my way to college in about a year. I don’t really have a lot of trouble with girls; on the contrary, alot of my friends are girls, but my issue is that it usually gets stuck there. My last 4 relationships ended with the line “I’d just rather be friends” which, as anyone can imagine, can be quite an annoyance. So I figure that I’m just not built for long term relationships, as much as I would like one, so I think I’ll have to give hooking up a shot. Problem there is that I don’t have that sort of instantly noticeable charisma that I can just pull out of my pocket like some guys, so instead I think I’ll give this [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) business a try. What I’m looking for: 1. Something that will get a girl interested, but not overly powerful, so that way I could use it during school. 2. Something that will get a girl to go farther, for use at like a party or on a date. P.S. A314 sounds like something I’d like to use in school, but 70$ is really steep, any alternatives? ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/2 "2009-10-13T00:03:03Z")
HI there, Welcome to the forum. AMMO is a god choice for you but it is out of stock. It can make girls attracted to you and it can help you to break away from friend zone. A314 is a bit strong for your age. Another alternative is IG. It has the same effect as A314 but a bit friendlier. IG can make girls think you are the man. They will think you are capable, trusted and respect. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/3 "2009-10-13T00:08:30Z")
Hi Zansteps, and welcome to club! It’s a party! 😃 From what I’m getting I think you need to first check out this website right here: [Demonstrating Value - Ladder Wiki](http://ladderwiki.com/wiki/Demonstrating_Value) Your definitely a nice guy by the sound of things BUT that will get you friend zoned without some kind of oomph as you’ve noticed. Now, I’m a year older than you and A314 is a definite keeper in my books, I’m involved in a relationship with a girl that I’d never _dream_ I could get with. Of course, I’ve read about dating too so I also know about women but in time you will too. Anyway, if you’re funds are low purchase Instant Gentlemen which is kinda A314’s little brother. It has a masculine kick to it so girls won’t think you’re a pushover(but you’ve got to play the role though). Combine that with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and you’re good to go. Test those two for a while and then later invest in Instant Openess which is a real icebreaker, it will also help buffer the andrestenone in Ammo. Hope everything goes alright with you, but remember that pheros only do 10% of the work, the rest is up to you.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/4 "2009-10-13T00:18:30Z")
Thanks a bunch guys 🙂 I read about IG and it seems to be what I’m looking for, and 30$ cheaper than A314, so thats a plus. In personality, I’m pretty confident with myself (you know… being a senior, top of the food chain, does alot for your self-esteem) but some people just seem to see this as groundless boastfulness. If IG does what I think it does, it should help me play the part a little better. So that answers my first question, but what about the second? What should I use if I want to go farther with a girl for just one night? ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/5 "2009-10-13T00:21:25Z")
> [@Zansteps](#): > > Hello there all. Found this site a few weeks ago but finally registered an account. > > For starters, I have to say I think this whole concept is really crazy, and interesting at the same time. Its like there is an actual science to attraction. > > Kay, a little bit about myself. I’m a 17 year old guy, still in highschool, on my way to college in about a year. I don’t really have a lot of trouble with girls; on the contrary, alot of my friends are girls, but my issue is that it usually gets stuck there. My last 4 relationships ended with the line “I’d just rather be friends” which, as anyone can imagine, can be quite an annoyance. > > So I figure that I’m just not built for long term relationships, as much as I would like one, so I think I’ll have to give hooking up a shot. Problem there is that I don’t have that sort of instantly noticeable charisma that I can just pull out of my pocket like some guys, so instead I think I’ll give this pheromone business a try. > > What I’m looking for: > > 1. Something that will get a girl interested, but not overly powerful, so that way I could use it during school. > 2. Something that will get a girl to go farther, for use at like a party or on a date. > > P.S. A314 sounds like something I’d like to use in school, but 70$ is really steep, any alternatives? hey man and welcome… I totally get the ‘friend stage’ thing… most of my life i’ve been friends with really great women and I’m always… just too good of a friend… that’s been changing rapidly lately… and it’s certainly not only because of the [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). A314 is fantastic and its priced high because it is more expensive for androtics to put the pheromones in a oil base, a good alternative is IG. AMMO, when it is back in the store, is great for on-the-go attraction from females… again this isnt a magic potion or anything you’ll have to step up and make some good moves too but this stuff does help. Socials like IO and IH are great for getting people comfortable with you and openning up as well, which is important. I would personally start out with that. TUTH wouldnt be great for a school, but if you’re heading to the bedroom with a special someone I would certainly use it there 🙂 have fun and let us know how things go for you man! ---
**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/6 "2009-10-13T00:25:17Z")
As for IO, its not really ice breaking I have issues with, I’m actually rather good at it. Its what develops (or what I hope develops) down the road that I have difficulty with. I’m probably going to get some IG to start with and see how that goes. I was reading a guide on the forum about various products, and IFM sounded interesting. Any extra background on that? The description says to use just one or 2 sprays of IG. So I have a question about dosage: Is IG susceptible to that pheromone OD I’ve read about that causes people to act negatively? (Ah! I didn’t know who to mark as the best answer, so I gave it to James for being first, sorry ) ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/7 "2009-10-13T06:11:42Z")
I don’t think IFM will be back at all. Too bad. You can buy A1 chemset from LS. Different people have different number of spray to get OD. To avoid OD, you got to try the pheromones one at a time. Start from 1 spray for a few days and observe the result. Then increase to 2 and do the same until you get your sweet spot. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mad-science/33244/8 "2009-10-13T18:52:37Z")
Hello and welcome to PheroTalk. I am so happy you were able to discover this most amazing community. We consider each other like family here and are totally committed to helping each other out. There are so many great people here and now another too 🙂. I will be issuing your GC in just a short while to your email. I would love to be able to personally respond to every new user signing on, but because I want to ensure you get the GC in time I can only reply with this message at this time. I’m sure you are anxious to get started, just like the rest of us were too 🙂. Its cool! Of course I am available to answer any question you might have regarding mones selection by calling me personally on the hotline. Please select extension one and I will be able to consult you one on one. Welcome to the forum.