# Main differences between edge/npa, tuth, and Instant Jerk **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 10, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572 "2011-02-10T15:51:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/1 "2011-02-10T15:51:05Z")
Anyone who has tried all these products care to list what they think is the main differences in vibe these products carry? Before we did a comparison of ammo vs edge which is kinda unfair because ammo is not a sexual product. However, all of these products are sexual (maybe not jerk?) so I’d like to know how they stack up. Why choose one over the other… better yet anyone tried all three? Which is the best? I myself am shy and nice and hesistate to initiate conversation with STRANGERS, expecially beautiful women. With people i know well i am ok. Because I am nice I tend to let the polite vibe kinda ring out which gets me walked over a lot, as my voice becomes quite, I don’t voice out my opinions etc. I recently chased a 10/10 woman for 2 months only to find out she just saw me as family. She got in my head, lured me along, but never even replied to my emails although she told me to send them. Perhaps I don’t suit the polite, friendly, gentleman vibe of pursuing women and need a more bad boy signature to help them chase ME. I don’t want to invest all my feelings into chasing a woman only to be hurt like that again. Even now after she is gone forever, she still has me thinking of her.. it sucks. It really took an emotional toll on me because I had high hopes and she was so beautiful I felt instant attraction (love at first sight with her) which doesn’t happen with me too often. But lets talk about scoring shall we … i am talking getting laid here. I’m interested more in you edge/npa vs jerk users. Does jerk really make you act like a prick? I don’t want to be a prick. I am told one doesn’t hesistate to state what they feel at any time. I want to be tough and confident but not an ass\*ole. Just a jerk enough to state how I really feel IF i choose to voice it be it to someone else or to a woman I’m with, yet nice otherwise if I choose to be, yet a bad boy at the same time. I tend to be somewhat careful in how I talk to people and the words I choose so I don’t think jerk will send me to the other extreme. Any users of jerk here care to state what they think of the product… actual users… P.S. I know I am in control of my personality and mones can’t make me do things against my will but I hear stories about how jerk turns guys into pricks. dsouza ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/2 "2011-02-10T16:11:53Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Anyone who has tried all these products care to list what they think is the main differences in vibe these products carry? > > Before we did a comparison of ammo vs edge which is kinda unfair because ammo is not a sexual product. However, all of these products are sexual (maybe not jerk?) so I’d like to know how they stack up. > > Why choose one over the other… better yet anyone tried all three? Which is the best? > > I myself am shy and nice and hesistate to initiate conversation with STRANGERS, expecially beautiful women. With people i know well i am ok. Because I am nice I tend to let the polite vibe kinda ring out which gets me walked over a lot, as my voice becomes quite, I don’t voice out my opinions etc. I recently chased a 10/10 woman for 2 months only to find out she just saw me as family. She got in my head, lured me along, but never even replied to my emails although she told me to send them. Perhaps I don’t suit the polite, friendly, gentleman vibe of pursuing women and need a more bad boy signature to help them chase ME. > > I don’t want to invest all my feelings into chasing a woman only to be hurt like that again. Even now after she is gone forever, she still has me thinking of her.. it sucks. It really took an emotional toll on me because I had high hopes and she was so beautiful I felt instant attraction (love at first sight with her) which doesn’t happen with me too often. > > But lets talk about scoring shall we … i am talking getting laid here. > > I’m interested more in you edge/npa vs jerk users. Does jerk really make you act like a prick? I don’t want to be a prick. I am told one doesn’t hesistate to state what they feel at any time. I want to be tough and confident but not an ass\*ole. Just a jerk enough to state how I really feel IF i choose to voice it be it to someone else or to a woman I’m with, yet nice otherwise if I choose to be, yet a bad boy at the same time. > > I tend to be somewhat careful in how I talk to people and the words I choose so I don’t think jerk will send me to the other extreme. > > Any users of jerk here care to state what they think of the product… actual users… > > P.S. I know I am in control of my personality and mones can’t make me do things against my will but I hear stories about how jerk turns guys into pricks. > > dsouza Let me just say in real I’m the most judgmental person perhaps in the world. The only thing that holds that bridge together without me going and criticizing everyone and everything is my tactfulness. When I wear [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) its like my tactfulness is put on hold. Its not so much that I dont care anymore its more like what the hell this is what I think and your gonna listen to me. IJ - Self effects are somewhat slighted but the dominance remains. Masculine types will look me in the eye more and show me more consideration. I can’t really say that I get more attention from women with IJ. Typically only the real bitchy or more aggressive personality women respond well to IJ and test the waters with me or with the less aggressive types but still no IS/B girl they’ll flirt pretty heavily. TUTH - This shit is raw to the core. I went to the airport with 2x on honestly it put a lot of girls on edge but many older women looked at me with a certain “curiosity”. It seems worse to me than regular enone because the sexual tension is amped like crazy and the aggression is still as potent as ever. I dont like TUTH at all really though. Its probably my least favorite of the consumer line but perhaps its because we don’t fit each other. Edge - Edge carries more dominance than IJ but it doesnt make you free willed like IJ does. Edge gets me probably the best sexual hits among younger women with the only triumphing exception being game scented MX292. Edge is as smooth as wine lots of the time for me because those racial tendencies for enone seem to fade away as I can effect asian girls, indian girls, white girls and latinas the same across the board. I used edge a lot in China as well it was very favorable much more than you’d think for east asian women. NPA - This thing is a little shady, when it hits it hits harder than any other enone product but you have to find the best suitable candidate female that will respond to this. They say it trumps cougars but I still believe it needs tweaking to make it work at its optimum efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/3 "2011-02-10T16:12:50Z")
If you have [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) you need no IJ. I find the IJ self-effects interesting but P75 do it alone and also better… Otherwise is IJ only high none, nothing sexual special… The cops in the old IJ are more special… But, you can by the cops elsewhere… NPA self-effects are better as with The Edge, more cocky and funny and guys also react really good to NPA. NPA is the most sexual product, but really tricky, effects are incredible or really bitchy… The Edge is far more constant, the effect are obvious, but not over the top like NPA, but stronger as with IJ… NPA and The Edge have obvious sexual vno effects (secret mones)! ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/4 "2011-02-10T18:50:19Z")
Let me just say in real I’m the most judgmental person perhaps in the world. The only thing that holds that bridge together without me going and criticizing everyone and everything is my tactfulness. When I wear [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) its like my tactfulness is put on hold. Its not so much that I dont care anymore its more like what the hell this is what I think and your gonna listen to me. IJ - Self effects are somewhat slighted but the dominance remains. Masculine types will look me in the eye more and show me more consideration. I can’t really say that I get more attention from women with IJ. Typically only the real bitchy or more aggressive personality women respond well to IJ and test the waters with me or with the less aggressive types but still no IS/B girl they’ll flirt pretty heavily. TUTH - This shit is raw to the core. I went to the airport with 2x on honestly it put a lot of girls on edge but many older women looked at me with a certain “curiosity”. It seems worse to me than regular enone because the sexual tension is amped like crazy and the aggression is still as potent as ever. I dont like TUTH at all really though. Its probably my least favorite of the consumer line but perhaps its because we don’t fit each other. **Edge - Edge carries more dominance than IJ but it doesnt make you free willed like IJ does. Edge gets me probably the best sexual hits among younger women with the only triumphing exception being game scented MX292. Edge is as smooth as wine lots of the time for me because those racial tendencies for enone seem to fade away as I can effect asian girls, indian girls, white girls and latinas the same across the board. I used edge a lot in China as well** **it was very favorable much more than you’d think for east asian women.** **How does it do on spanish, and white women (my main targets). I know blacks respond well but they’re not my main target. (No Racial inferences, just preference in terms of sex 😃)** Can I mix it with APC (Androsteonone Phermone Concentrate).. i hear APC has a great scent. But wonder if it will cover edge as it is oil based (I think). Finally do you mix it with any other softeners. I used to like SOE but I find it takes away from edges power. How much edge do you put on and where do you use it… **NPA - This thing is a little shady, when it hits it hits harder than any other enone product but you have to find the best suitable candidate female that will respond to this. They say it trumps cougars but I still believe it needs tweaking to make it work at its optimum efficiency.** I find I OD too easily on NPA and the aggression vibe is too much. Best reserved for intimdation tactics for me. NPA has never faired me well. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/5 "2011-02-10T19:50:05Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Let me just say in real I’m the most judgmental person perhaps in the world. The only thing that holds that bridge together without me going and criticizing everyone and everything is my tactfulness. When I wear Instant Jerk its like my tactfulness is put on hold. Its not so much that I dont care anymore its more like what the hell this is what I think and your gonna listen to me. > > IJ - Self effects are somewhat slighted but the dominance remains. Masculine types will look me in the eye more and show me more consideration. I can’t really say that I get more attention from women with IJ. Typically only the real bitchy or more aggressive personality women respond well to IJ and test the waters with me or with the less aggressive types but still no IS/B girl they’ll flirt pretty heavily. > > TUTH - This shit is raw to the core. I went to the airport with 2x on honestly it put a lot of girls on edge but many older women looked at me with a certain “curiosity”. It seems worse to me than regular enone because the sexual tension is amped like crazy and the aggression is still as potent as ever. I dont like TUTH at all really though. Its probably my least favorite of the consumer line but perhaps its because we don’t fit each other. > > **Edge - Edge carries more dominance than IJ but it doesnt make you free willed like IJ does. Edge gets me probably the best sexual hits among younger women with the only triumphing exception being game scented MX292. Edge is as smooth as wine lots of the time for me because those racial tendencies for enone seem to fade away as I can effect asian girls, indian girls, white girls and latinas the same across the board. I used edge a lot in China as well** **it was very favorable much more than you’d think for east asian women.** > > **How does it do on spanish, and white women (my main targets). I know blacks respond well but they’re not my main target. (No Racial inferences, just preference in terms of sex 😃)** > > Can I mix it with APC (Androsteonone Phermone Concentrate).. i hear APC has a great scent. But wonder if it will cover edge as it is oil based (I think). > > Finally do you mix it with any other softeners. I used to like SOE but I find it takes away from edges power. How much edge do you put on and where do you use it… > > **NPA - This thing is a little shady, when it hits it hits harder than any other enone product but you have to find the best suitable candidate female that will respond to this. They say it trumps cougars but I still believe it needs tweaking to make it work at its optimum efficiency.** > > I find I OD too easily on NPA and the aggression vibe is too much. Best reserved for intimdation tactics for me. NPA has never faired me well. Man… Edge just turns on the ignition with Spanish women. I cant explain it but it simply invokes the senses for latina females. I stopped using it around them because of the high frequency of them wanting me to “sex” them up. White woman is the same deal as long as they arent the more conservative kind of girl. I’m not sexually forward so it really isnt the most appropriate thing for me to use unless I have something particular in mind. Be mindful though. It does give spanish women a rush but you have to be able to give them that Charismatic Spanish Machismo vibe that they crave for and if you can do that consistently you’ll be able to bed a good amount of them. I’m not much for ONS but its just lovely seeing how excitable spanish women get with Edge on. You can mix it with APC. APC is a very weak enone product and is used more for the scent. It’ll help tone down Edge a notch or two because honestly straight edge out of a spray is NOT ADVISABLE whatsoever. Even 2 dabs from a finger is still very potent. One day I was at the post office with 3 sprays of diluted edge and all I can say is this woman with 2 kids in the car with her husband gave me this look I’ll never forget. She literally wanted to rape me. To this day that is one of the single greatest hits I have gotten pheromonally. Back in the day when it was only Love Scent for me I used 1-2 sprays of Chikara along with Edge. A little instant shine and a little TAH and/or TAL is a great way to go with Edge. TAH/TAL can be substituted with half a drop of WAGG. Now your gonna ask me how do you get that? Well I dont like dabbing pheros that are non oil based anymore so I calculated how much WAGG there needed to be to have half a drop worth of mcgs per spray. Thats about it I think…🆒 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/6 "2011-02-10T20:19:18Z")
**ALWAYS** subbing for the **NPA & The Edge Talk**. It’s so freaking worth it! 😉 I agree with what’s been said, too, daHmit! TE:SOE … with you THINKING SOE TAKES AWAY THE TE KILLER INSTINCT … you can try applying SOE **first**. ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/7 "2011-02-10T21:34:22Z")
Someone was on the forum a while ago, (a pretty serious mone user, rep points in the hundreds or possibly thousands) absolutely RAVING about NPA mixed straight up with cologne. He said it was a 5:1 ratio (cologne:mones) and that it worked like magic everytime. Has anyone tried that, or are you all using NPA straight up? I was interested, but I feel like I have so many androtics products that I still want to test out, I’m not sure if I want to jump ship so soon. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/8 "2011-02-10T22:40:24Z")
> [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > Someone was on the forum a while ago, (a pretty serious mone user, rep points in the hundreds or possibly thousands) absolutely RAVING about NPA mixed straight up with cologne. > > He said it was a 5:1 ratio (cologne:mones) and that it worked like magic everytime. Has anyone tried that, or are you all using NPA straight up? > > I was interested, but I feel like I have so many androtics products that I still want to test out, I’m not sure if I want to jump ship so soon. I have NPA mixed with Amen and another mix along with Realm and A1. I have used it around whomever I’ve been seeing at the time, but honestly I have never tried it out in a club environment etc. Which makes me think I’m probably missing out on a lot of fun. I can’t quite say I have enough experience with it yet to give you an accurate idea on how well or bad it works…but I will be moving products like the edge and npa back into the clubs here soon. While I like Steeler Girl, and we seem to be serious, I do want options. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/9 "2011-02-10T22:44:08Z")
> [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > Someone was on the forum a while ago, (a pretty serious mone user, rep points in the hundreds or possibly thousands) absolutely RAVING about NPA mixed straight up with cologne. > > He said it was a 5:1 ratio (cologne:mones) and that it worked like magic everytime. Has anyone tried that, or are you all using NPA straight up? > > I was interested, but I feel like I have so many androtics products that I still want to test out, I’m not sure if I want to jump ship so soon. I play with NPA according to how I’m feeling … 4:1 and 5:1, works, but you could pull off a 3:1, too … depending on your target/s. I also do drops and dabs … when I have on my Tarzan outfit, and I’m getting ready to drain Jane. 🙄 Dabs to the pubic hair is really something!! As for it working **EVERY TIME** … he must have built him a circle of NPA fans, for it DOES NOT work on everybody … as with all mones, IF YOU’D ASK ME, The M to the M. 🆒 IF I could only feel the vibes of IS, you lucky MOFOs!!! 😠 Play with AD’s products until you get bored, and decide you want a new toy, Sticks. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Climax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Climax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Climax)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/10 "2011-02-11T05:44:20Z")
The only mentioned Phero listed I used before is IJ, with limited experience It gives me some IOI but conversation wise is basically the same with or without while buffered with Scent of Eros, but 2 sprays of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) gets me more IOI’s than IJ. I get no self effects with IJ at all. ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/11 "2011-02-11T05:51:59Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I have NPA mixed with Amen and another mix along with Realm and A1. > I have used it around whomever I’ve been seeing at the time, but honestly I have never tried it out in a club environment etc. Which makes me think I’m probably missing out on a lot of fun. > > I can’t quite say I have enough experience with it yet to give you an accurate idea on how well or bad it works…but I will be moving products like the edge and npa back into the clubs here soon. While I like Steeler Girl, and we seem to be serious, I do want options. You know it’s funny that you mention A_Men, because I remember over the summer posting on a thread to help you try to find a cologne, and I recommended a bunch of other stuff. I now wear A_Men as well 😃 So on that note, definitely let me know how those two mix together, because I’d be interested to try that out. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/12 "2011-02-12T12:46:27Z")
> [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > You know it’s funny that you mention A_Men, because I remember over the summer posting on a thread to help you try to find a cologne, and I recommended a bunch of other stuff. I now wear A_Men as well 😃 > > So on that note, definitely let me know how those two mix together, because I’d be interested to try that out. I think A1 mixes really well with Amen. Being that its a comfort mone and the scent of amen dries and it to me is a very relaxing scent. Not too sweet like it is at first. As soon as my Ex would smell Amen she would say, “you’re always wearing that ‘comfort’ stuff.” Something along those lines..but she actually used the word comfort without ever being told about A1 or any other mone and its effects. ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 7:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/main-differences-between-edge-npa-tuth-and-instant-jerk/48572/13 "2011-02-15T07:17:23Z")
I don’t have any pure A1, I used to use Dial Magnetic (my bottle just ran out), and that always smelled great with A\*Men on top of it.