# Making a bootleg ammo: need advice from experienced mixers. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905 "2010-02-02T23:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/1 "2010-02-02T23:20:50Z")
Alright since ammo has been rather difficult to get a hold of these days and since it’s common knowledge that the three main ingredients in ammo are Androstenone, Androsterone and Androstenol, I have decided to purchase to go bottles of all three at 12.5 mcg in an attempt to create my own “bootleg” version of ammo. To make things easy on myself I have decided to make batches in small amounts using the spray technique; where rather than measuring out proper amounts using a pipette I will spray the raw ingredients into a to go bottle at various ratio’s. With that being said the two ratio’s I intend to first try out would be **1 androstenone : 1 androstenol : 1 androsterone** - as well as - **2 androstenone: 1.5 androstenol : 1 androsterone** (The second is the ratio of Alter Ego, which is an oil based product similar to Ammo.) I intend to take both of those combined ratio’s and mix them 1:1 with cologne. So here’s the part I need someone with some mixing experience to help me out with… Let’s say I take the first ratio of 1:1:1, where all of the ingredients are mixed at equal parts using a 12.5 mcg concentration, and I then proceed to cut the whole concoction with an equal part of cologne, _what exactly would be the mcg’s of all of the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) per spray?_ My first instinct would be to divide the 12.5 mcg by two (as the mix is 50% cologne) which would be 6.25 mcg per spray… But I know that can’t be right since there would be three ingredients being sprayed out simultaneously so there’s no way that the original mcg would remain consistant… So would that then make it 12.5 divided by 3 (which would be 4.1666) and divide that result by two; which would make the end result 1.3888mcg per spray of each ingredient. _Does anyone know if my math is correct with either of these two results?_ ---
**Author:** ![Butcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f08c70/32.png) [@Butcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butcher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/2 "2010-02-02T23:34:39Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > So would that then make it 12.5 divided by 3 (which would be 4.1666) and divide that result by two; which would make the end result 1.3888mcg per spray of each ingredient. > > _Does anyone know if my math is correct with either of these two results?_ 4.1666 divided in 2 = 2.0833 ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/3 "2010-02-02T23:40:02Z")
> [@Butcher](#): > > 4.1666 divided in 2 = 2.0833 LOL I guess now would be an appropriate time to mention that I was horrible at math when I was back in school. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/4 "2010-02-02T23:40:03Z")
find out which secret catalytic compound(s) drives AMMO to “sexy” not “creepy sexual” and we will all be golden. Let us kno! ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/5 "2010-02-02T23:41:23Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > find out which secret catalytic compound(s) drives AMMO to “sexy” not “creepy sexual” and we will all be golden. Let us kno! And of course I’ll be sure to post my results as to which mix is more ammo like. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/6 "2010-02-02T23:43:31Z")
> [@Mix Calculator 10.0](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-calculator-10-0/35591): > > [RapidShare: 1-CLICK Web hosting - Easy Filehosting](http://rapidshare.com/files/399851784/MixCalculator.exe) V 15.0 changelog Direct calculation instead of iterative calculations leading to faster results. Ability to change how the results are calculated (in no. of sprays or in ml.) for individual components on the fly. More intuitive interface. More error checks. More robust. The modified mix calculator contains a new feature that suggests what concentration of each [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) component to get so that your final mix can provide you with the req… There you go bud, the answer to your question! A wonderful tool, I love this thanks to nbully. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/7 "2010-02-03T03:35:44Z")
Definetly play around with the mix calculator. Nbully gave us an amazing tool. I am just going to throw this out there SC. This is my suggestion. AMMO has been reported to contain 2.5mcg’s of -none, erone, and anol. If you were to take an empty AD 5ml bottle and spray 8 sprays from each of your 12.5mcg bottles into that empty bottle, and then fill the rest with your cologne(2ml), it would give you 2.5mcg’s of each per spray. = AMMO 8 sprays of -none at 12.5 mcgs into 5ml 8 sprays of erone at 12.5 mcgs into 5 ml 8 sprays of anol at 12.5 mcgs into 5ml 2ml (or spray until 5ml is full) of cologne Hope this helps Hellraiser (guitar reference). ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/8 "2010-02-03T03:53:11Z")
Jesse that’s actually a really great suggestion, I might just do that. My only problem with that is that it’s a lot of cologne to waste if that mix turns out to be a dud, I was hoping to start off with something the size of a to go bottle or smaller. But yeah I downloaded that mix calculator, there is a ridiculously large amount of buttons to click so it’s probably going to take a little fooling around with it for me to figure it out. **EDIT:** _Wait I just realized the 5ml bottle IS the to go bottle, I was thinking of a 30ml bottle. In which case I will totally do that… I was also able to get the mix calculator to come up with the same results so it’s all looking good._ ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/9 "2010-02-03T04:03:13Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > **EDIT:** _Wait I just realized the 5ml bottle IS the to go bottle, I was thinking of a 30ml bottle. In which case I will totally do that… I was also able to get the mix calculator to come up with the same results so it’s all looking good._ Excelent. I hope to hear it works well for you. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/10 "2010-02-03T05:18:04Z")
Okay I have made my two mixes… I actually only meant to make a half a to go bottle of the 1:1:1 ratio but I spaced out when I was doing my mixing and I accidentally made a whole bottle. Ah no matter. Anyway I made a half a to go bottle (2.5 ml) of my Alter Ego bootleg mix. For all of those who are curious the following is what the mix calculator helped me to come up with for that: End mixed per spray content: 5mcg androstenone: 3.75 androstenol : 2.5 androsterone **None: 8 Sprays Rone: 4 Sprays Nol: 6 Sprays Scent .25 ml** And of course you would have to double that to make a full to go bottle. I’m going to let my mixes sit for a few days and I’ll report back after I’ve run some tests this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/11 "2010-02-03T08:41:47Z")
A 1:1 mix of mones to cologne ain’t gonna smell very good. But I suppose you can just cover it with a spray of straight cologne and it will be fine. I’ve done the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (AE too) clone a few times and used much stronger chemset mone concentrations so I could mix 1 part mones to 5 parts cologne. At that dilution the integrity of the cologne is mostly intact. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/12 "2010-02-03T13:48:56Z")
The good news is that when you purchase “experimones” from androtics by default it all comes with a neroli cover scent, as they make it way more expensive to purchase pheromones with no cover than with one. But mixing it at a 5:1 pheromone to cologne ratio is actually a really great idea, as it would probably cut down on the neroli scent greatly. I only wish I had thought of that when I was placing my order! If these batches go well I’ll have to keep that in mind for my next order. But until then I’ll have to use a cologne cover the neroli/[pheromone scent](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/). ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/13 "2010-02-04T01:16:09Z")
I’m pretty positive that TAF would be in Ammo. And maybe instant shine too!!! ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/14 "2010-02-04T02:37:05Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > I’m pretty positive that TAF would be in Ammo. And maybe instant shine too!!! From the store: **Technical** Contains 3 [human pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in an attractive department store quality cologne. **Total pheromone per spray:** 7.5mcg (+/- 5%) with just 2.5mcg of androstenone making it very easy to use. I really dont want to search for the posts again because it took me a long time to find them to begin with, but I read posts by Jasmine, as well as others, saying that AMMO 1.0 contained -none, erone, anol at equal amounts. The only exeption was: > [@MHarris](#): > > The latest shipping version, 1.5, has 4 pheromones: -none, -rone, -nol and TAA, along with a scent package from the world’s #1 parfum technology house. This version (1.5) was only available for a short time. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/15 "2010-02-04T02:40:44Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > From the store: **Technical** > > Contains 3 human pheromones in an attractive department store quality cologne. > > **Total pheromone per spray:** 7.5mcg (+/- 5%) with just 2.5mcg of androstenone making it very easy to use. > > I really dont want to search for the posts again because it took me a long time to find them to begin with, but I read posts by Jasmine, as well as others, saying that AMMO 1.0 contained -none, erone, anol at equal amounts. The only exeption was: > > This version (1.5) was only available for a short time. Yep, so true. Just Androstenone, Alpha Androstenol, and Androsterone. No need to add more make believe pheromones to AMMO. It’s just the three amigos… ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/16 "2010-02-04T02:56:08Z")
like I said, in ammo, in addition to three mones, there is also a catalytic enzyme that utilizes and reacts with these mones at different rates. The enzyme may also have different affinities to each. who knows? Unless you know what other driving compounds are in there, u can’t EXACTLY duplicate ammo. u can get something similar to it though ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/17 "2010-02-04T03:08:30Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > like I said, in ammo, in addition to three mones, there is also a **catalytic enzyme** that utilizes and reacts with these mones at different rates. The enzyme may also have different affinities to each. who knows? Unless you know what other driving compounds are in there, u can’t EXACTLY duplicate ammo. u can get something similar to it though What piece of information have you read that that leads you to this theory? I would be interested to see it. Im not saying you didnt see it but in the past year of reading this forum I have never heard of a mysterious **catalytic enzyme** in this product. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/18 "2010-02-04T03:36:34Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > What piece of information have you read that that leads you to this theory? I would be interested to see it. Im not saying you didnt see it but in the past year of reading this forum I have never heard of a mysterious **catalytic enzyme** in this product. Ha, ha I want to see this too. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/19 "2010-02-04T03:56:18Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > like I said, in ammo, in addition to three mones, there is also a catalytic enzyme that utilizes and reacts with these mones at different rates. The enzyme may also have different affinities to each. who knows? Unless you know what other driving compounds are in there, u can’t EXACTLY duplicate ammo. u can get something similar to it though When you say catalytic enzyme are we talking about small quantities of “buffering” pheromones, or other various pheromones which are intended to push the mix in one direction or another? ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 1:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905/20 "2010-02-05T13:49:18Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > What piece of information have you read that that leads you to this theory? I would be interested to see it. Im not saying you didnt see it but in the past year of reading this forum I have never heard of a mysterious **catalytic enzyme** in this product. Does anybody else have any info on this " **catalytic enzyme" ?** [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-a-bootleg-ammo-need-advice-from-experienced-mixers/35905.md?page=2)