# making straight men go gay? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 14, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329 "2011-03-14T04:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@alang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/1 "2011-03-14T04:24:06Z")
I was wondering if there was any kind of mix that anyone knows of that could make a straight guy go gay. I know there is no miracle and nothing can force anyone to be gay unless they are gay, but is there something that could break down the barrier or something to help me find out if they are willing to take it to the next level or not? šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/2 "2011-03-14T04:31:06Z")
Thatā€™s the same as if a woman doesnā€™t like you, no amt of mones will do that. So if they dont-a-like the sauseech, they aint gonna change. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/3 "2011-03-14T04:50:10Z")
according to the creators of Southpark, everyone is a little bit gay, so I donā€™t know P51 šŸ˜œ ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/4 "2011-03-14T05:49:24Z")
The nature of a persons sexuality is what it is, you can no more make a heterosexual person of any gender into a homosexual than vice versa. In fact Iā€™m surprised at the question since most gay and lesbian people that Iā€™ve known would take EXTREME offense at the notion of there being a way to turn a gay person straight. (Such a concept comes dangerously close to implying that their sexuality is a disease that can be cured which it most assuredly is not). Now if you have valid reasons to suspect the individual may be latently gay or in the closet/self denial. Then you may possibly be able to create an environment where buried feelings might be more likely to surfaceā€¦but do not lie to yourself about your perceptions (people tend to convince themselves they see things because itā€™s what they want to see) because if you try to create a ā€œmomentā€ when the feeling ainā€™t there, it could end quite badly and possibly with violence. Men attach their sexuality to their value as a man and can react quite intensely when confronted with a situation that risks thatā€¦I advise you to tread carefully in this area my friend. ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/5 "2011-03-14T06:07:38Z")
If you want to ā€œbreak down barriersā€, go with [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/6 "2011-03-14T06:45:46Z")
> [@alang](#): > > I was wondering if there was any kind of mix that anyone knows of that could make a straight guy go gay. I know there is no miracle and nothing can force anyone to be gay unless they are gay, but is there something that could break down the barrier or something to help me find out if they are willing to take it to the next level or not? šŸ™‚ maybe try some copulins and MX300 ? both are stuff used by womenā€¦ hopefully, he may take your phero signals to be that of woman and show some interest .. I dont know just speculating here ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/7 "2011-03-14T07:23:35Z")
> [@alang](#): > > I was wondering if there was any kind of mix that anyone knows of that could make a straight guy go gay. I know there is no miracle and nothing can force anyone to be gay unless they are gay, but is there something that could break down the barrier or something to help me find out if they are willing to take it to the next level or not? šŸ™‚ Get the guy high, while heā€™s in a stoned comaā€¦throw on some tap shoes, turn up Anything Goes and do a buck n wing šŸ˜› Can you tell I was a musical theater nerd? hahah, as for monesā€¦idk ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 10:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/8 "2011-03-14T10:12:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I was wondering if there was any kind of mix that anyone knows of that could make a straight guy go gay. but is there something that could break down the barrier or something to help me find out if they are willing to take it to the next level or not? šŸ™‚ No there is no pheromone that can change a persons sexual preference. Being gay is part of a persons biology its not a choice they make. Its not caused by the environment or by influence. There is no barrier that prevents a person from being sexually attracted to the same sex. Straight men can not travel to that next level because it doesnā€™t exist for them, its just not part of there biology. Gay men process [pheromones](https://a314.com/) much like straight women. Some studies have shown that Gay menā€™s brains are structured the same as a straight womenā€™s and lesbians brains are structured like straight males. Now if a person is biologically gay there are pheromones mixes that can increase attraction. However just like every single women wont attract to a every single maleā€™s pheromonal signal neither will every gay male attract to another gay males signal. Pheromones are just one small part of attraction and communication. Using them gives you a edge. If a man is gay but has not yet mentally excepted it because of his upbringing or social influence pheromones can not break down that barrier either. They may make him actually more aware of it and if he is still in that place of fighting it mentally then the very mones that would attract a man who excepts his biology would agitate and repel him. So with all that being saidā€¦ Pheromonally you would use the same pheromones straight men use to attract women. I would not go heavy on the aggressive mones. You would buffer your mixes more then straight men would. This means using more socials and comfort mones. I would stay away from IJ simply because its designed to display aggression but they rest of the male line is fine. Use things like lots of anol (io) or bnol (IH) Try P74 with it. I would suggest TAH as well but its not in stock but P86 may be a good option to. Ishine works wonders on for both sexes. You just want to soften the vibe the male mixes send a bit. > [@Aghor](#): > > maybe try some copulins and MX300 ? both are stuff used by womenā€¦ hopefully, he may take your phero signals to be that of woman and show some interest .. I dont know just speculating here Well MX300 may be a option (if it were in stock) but not because its a womens formula. Its less aggressive on a male then something like A314. Copulins would signal he has been with a women not that he is a women. Gay or straight men can not ovulate. The presence of copulins would just confuse other gay men or make them think he was Bi. Men and women make all the same pheromones its just in different ratios. The only one not made by men is copulins. I wish they had MB in stock. This is the mix for the gay life style. Its perfectly balanced. But because of the blackout on certain molecules its not possible right now. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 11:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/9 "2011-03-14T11:10:57Z")
Well I have to disagree with everyone here on this. Society wants us to believe it is genetic but ironically the men with more female hormones usually arenā€™t gay. As someone whoā€™s longest relationship was with the same sex prior to getting married to the opposite I would like to shine some light on this, this is the BIGGEST LIE we have been sold and you are right, most would take offense because of the fact that if you question their motives, it always comes back around to the lust issue and the fact that our brains are programable and the things we lust after and fantasize over are also programmableā€¦notice how sexual society has become in the last 50yrs compared to a society that still had stuff goin on but behind closed doorsā€¦and you ever notice when people do something wrong the are militant when it comes to justifying their actions? It is because EVERY one of us knows what we are doing is wrong, but now society has given us the excuses we need to justify anything pleasurable as if there are no consequences, same thing with our attitude towards killing babies. (if I shot a woman who was 2 wks pregnant Id get charged for 2 murders but if she wants to kill it it doesnā€™t count? Pick a side) I know I am pouring gas on an already lit fire but Iā€™ll take a bath in it and go down in it for the sake of standing up for what is truthā€¦we are being lied to about so many aspects of life and people use this false ideology to base decision making onā€¦and we are looking at the resultā€¦ I used to work security in a crack house and there were several ā€œstraightā€ guys that would turn into weirdos as soon as they smoked rock and then they became sexual predators for the same sexā€¦friggen weird but honestly the biggest issue I have with your question is that you obviously donā€™t respect him and just want a piece of meatā€¦or to treat him like oneā€¦that doesnā€™t appeal to straight guysā€¦so if that is the path you have chosen for your life, ind someone who also has cuz trying to make a ballerina out of a football player isnā€™t gonna happenā€¦ I know this is one of those things that inflames people but honestly it inflames me when people make it sound genetic when I know for a fact that is not the caseā€¦and I have tested my theoreys on programming the mind and well, I used to be a raging heroin addict/cokehead and funny enough I am not in recovery but not an addict eith, but wait, arent I an addict for life? Not even close, that is what they want us to believe so that then those who struggle will make excuses to not to the right thing or keep failing. I tend to side with the Bible on this issue, when we give into sexual sin it does something to the mindā€¦like the phenomenon where guys who jerk off 13-15x a day, the more you do it the worse it gets and you can actually create a sexually based mental illness by engaging too much in our fantasiesā€¦I can say that after 2-3yrs of rejecting any ā€œgay thoughtsā€ and focusing on women every time it would happen, I was able to reprogram myself to the point I am not attracted to men at all, ever. I have no issue admitting when someone is good looking but I just donā€™t look at em like that and there is no doubt my feelings for a certain woman are off the chartsā€¦but I have been saying it for years and really I have to say that everything I have tested out of the Word has been accurateā€¦and when you do let yourself go in sexual sin your mind becomes depraved and seems to yearn for more like there is never enough and itā€™s like a giant snowball that engulfs your lifeā€¦ I know this may upset people but I am for standing up for truth and with every day that passes I see evil spreading under the guise of equal rights, etcā€¦if marriage was 1st created in Judaism for the sake of God blessing your union, it was designed for a man and woman to leave their homes and the two cleave together and become one flesh, in essence, your souls mix a lil when you screw someone, thus why we have attachments to people we have slept with sometimesā€¦But if the religion that created marriage defined it for a man and a woman and then God said it was wrong to be gay, He isnā€™t gonna bless an abomination so it is merely an assault on the church and has nothing to do with equal rightsā€¦there is no such thing as gay marriage, that is just called playing house or pretendā€¦so IMO it is a direct attack on the church, if it werenā€™t, civil unions that give equal rights under the law would be more then enough, the fact it isnā€™t further proves the real motivation, an assault on truth. I consider myself fortunate to have had an internal paradigm shift and I went from left to Right, democrat to Independant/Tea Party Supporter and really it all started with a lil research. Start looking up everything you hear politicians sayā€¦you will find that both sides lie a lot but one side lies all the time(left) seems they have banned reality in Americaā€¦I had no choice but change parties, I believe that people should be able to keep the majority of the money they earn, that in iteself disqualifies the Democrat party, they only feel their elites should be able to but they can take what they want from everyone elseā€¦Donā€™t take my word for itā€¦do some researchā€¦I used to hate Glen Beck too til I started looking stuff up and what do ya knowā€¦he tells the truth most of the time (I know no one is perfect but Iā€™ve yet to catch him say anything that isnā€™t true) anyway my point is that EVERYTHING in life is a choice and you can mold your likes and dislikes and fantasiesā€¦that is what got me interested in pheromones cuz I think this could be helpful in getting the brain to associate itself differently so you can change whatever it is you want tooā€¦ Not trying to upset anyone but I want to shedsome light on this cuz what we are taught is not even close to trueā€¦ Sorry to contradict everything you said trish but iā€™m sorry, it isnā€™t biological, that has already been proven though I hear it once in a whileā€¦like when they said they found a ā€œgay geneā€ turned out to not be trueā€¦leftist propagandaā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![little](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@little](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/little)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/10 "2011-03-14T11:27:00Z")
> [@alang](#): > > I was wondering if there was any kind of mix that anyone knows of that could make a straight guy go gay. I know there is no miracle and nothing can force anyone to be gay unless they are gay, but is there something that could break down the barrier or something to help me find out if they are willing to take it to the next level or not? šŸ™‚ Hi Alang, We should swap notes šŸ˜ƒ I am yet to come up with my combo to turn heads. My experience is ā€œNo matter how the wind howls, the mountain cannot bow to itā€ šŸ˜ƒ I could not even get the guys at work to go chatty ~ maybe they are all confused šŸ˜• with the vibes I am sending out. Girls are a different story ~ i think the mones are affecting them a lot more. I have posted a question too last night about mixing [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) with Instant Gentlemen, I am waiting for opinion šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/11 "2011-03-14T11:31:08Z")
Since everyone is different Little, it may just be finding what does it for the specific person. I noticed my wife was kinda acting strange the 1st couple days, but you have to work the personality too and be friendlyā€¦but donā€™t give up and youā€™ll get there I am sureā€¦with so many helpful people here the only way you could fail is if you give up. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/12 "2011-03-14T11:32:28Z")
> [@Rizingfire](#): > > Well I have to disagree with everyone here on this. Society wants us to believe it is genetic but ironically the men with more female hormones usually arenā€™t gay. As someone whoā€™s longest relationship was with the same sex prior to getting married to the opposite I would like to shine some light on this, this is the BIGGEST LIE we have been sold and you are right, most would take offense because of the fact that if you question their motives, it always comes back around to the lust issue and the fact that our brains are programable and the things we lust after and fantasize over are also programmableā€¦notice how sexual society has become in the last 50yrs compared to a society that still had stuff goin on but behind closed doorsā€¦and you ever notice when people do something wrong the are militant when it comes to justifying their actions? It is because EVERY one of us knows what we are doing is wrong, but now society has given us the excuses we need to justify anything pleasurable as if there are no consequences, same thing with our attitude towards killing babies. (if I shot a woman who was 2 wks pregnant Id get charged for 2 murders but if she wants to kill it it doesnā€™t count? Pick a side) I know I am pouring gas on an already lit fire but Iā€™ll take a bath in it and go down in it for the sake of standing up for what is truthā€¦we are being lied to about so many aspects of life and people use this false ideology to base decision making onā€¦and we are looking at the resultā€¦ > > I used to work security in a crack house and there were several ā€œstraightā€ guys that would turn into weirdos as soon as they smoked rock and then they became sexual predators for the same sexā€¦friggen weird but honestly the biggest issue I have with your question is that you obviously donā€™t respect him and just want a piece of meatā€¦or to treat him like oneā€¦that doesnā€™t appeal to straight guysā€¦so if that is the path you have chosen for your life, ind someone who also has cuz trying to make a ballerina out of a football player isnā€™t gonna happenā€¦ > > I know this is one of those things that inflames people but honestly it inflames me when people make it sound genetic when I know for a fact that is not the caseā€¦and I have tested my theoreys on programming the mind and well, I used to be a raging heroin addict/cokehead and funny enough I am not in recovery but not an addict eith, but wait, arent I an addict for life? Not even close, that is what they want us to believe so that then those who struggle will make excuses to not to the right thing or keep failing. > > I tend to side with the Bible on this issue, when we give into sexual sin it does something to the mindā€¦like the phenomenon where guys who jerk off 13-15x a day, the more you do it the worse it gets and you can actually create a sexually based mental illness by engaging too much in our fantasiesā€¦I can say that after 2-3yrs of rejecting any ā€œgay thoughtsā€ and focusing on women every time it would happen, I was able to reprogram myself to the point I am not attracted to men at all, ever. I have no issue admitting when someone is good looking but I just donā€™t look at em like that and there is no doubt my feelings for a certain woman are off the chartsā€¦but I have been saying it for years and really I have to say that everything I have tested out of the Word has been accurateā€¦and when you do let yourself go in sexual sin your mind becomes depraved and seems to yearn for more like there is never enough and itā€™s like a giant snowball that engulfs your lifeā€¦ > > I know this may upset people but I am for standing up for truth and with every day that passes I see evil spreading under the guise of equal rights, etcā€¦if marriage was 1st created in Judaism for the sake of God blessing your union, it was designed for a man and woman to leave their homes and the two cleave together and become one flesh, in essence, your souls mix a lil when you screw someone, thus why we have attachments to people we have slept with sometimesā€¦But if the religion that created marriage defined it for a man and a woman and then God said it was wrong to be gay, He isnā€™t gonna bless an abomination so it is merely an assault on the church and has nothing to do with equal rightsā€¦there is no such thing as gay marriage, that is just called playing house or pretendā€¦so IMO it is a direct attack on the church, if it werenā€™t, civil unions that give equal rights under the law would be more then enough, the fact it isnā€™t further proves the real motivation, an assault on truth. > > I consider myself fortunate to have had an internal paradigm shift and I went from left to Right, democrat to Independant/Tea Party Supporter and really it all started with a lil research. Start looking up everything you hear politicians sayā€¦you will find that both sides lie a lot but one side lies all the time(left) seems they have banned reality in Americaā€¦I had no choice but change parties, I believe that people should be able to keep the majority of the money they earn, that in iteself disqualifies the Democrat party, they only feel their elites should be able to but they can take what they want from everyone elseā€¦Donā€™t take my word for itā€¦do some researchā€¦I used to hate Glen Beck too til I started looking stuff up and what do ya knowā€¦he tells the truth most of the time (I know no one is perfect but Iā€™ve yet to catch him say anything that isnā€™t true) anyway my point is that EVERYTHING in life is a choice and you can mold your likes and dislikes and fantasiesā€¦that is what got me interested in pheromones cuz I think this could be helpful in getting the brain to associate itself differently so you can change whatever it is you want tooā€¦ > > Not trying to upset anyone but I want to shedsome light on this cuz what we are taught is not even close to trueā€¦ > > Sorry to contradict everything you said trish but iā€™m sorry, it isnā€™t biological, that has already been proven though I hear it once in a whileā€¦like when they said they found a ā€œgay geneā€ turned out to not be trueā€¦leftist propagandaā€¦ Iā€™d suggest, keep in mind there are people from all over the world here, they have many different religions and political points of view. What they have in common, is an interest in a certain branch of science, helping them in their interactions with other people. I am as new here as you are, but I have a feeling that a hot discussion on religion and politics wouldnā€™t fit here very well. I donā€™t think you really want to ignite one. Saying things like _ā€œI know this better than anyone else, because that is THE TRUTH and I possess the truth and others donā€™tā€_ is not how conversations are going here. ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/13 "2011-03-14T11:36:54Z")
Ya, just saying I have been there and my personal findings are the opposite of what society is pushing militantly, you can accept it or reject it, just sharing my story in the interest of helping. I am not trying to start anything, just stating the Truth and truth isnā€™t subjective to people accepting itā€¦just dropping arguments for each of the statements I have made as justification of the knowledge, qualifying it so to speakā€¦but you are right, I will tone it down. The literal answer to the question is, if you want to get a straight guy in the sack, get him drunk, you donā€™t need mones for thatā€¦other then that there is lil chance unless you planted seeds for a couple years and if he takes those seeds and run with em you could make that plant sproutā€¦but I would just find someone who is gay and make life easierā€¦everyone wants what they canā€™t haveā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/14 "2011-03-14T12:02:21Z")
For some people, truth is what they believe. For some others, truth is what can be checked, tested and proved. For some, like me, itā€™s kinda mix of both. I love science, but I also do strongly and deeply believe in some things that make my scientist friends laugh. Of course truth is not subjective, but everyone has perfect right to own their own not-subjective truth. Everybodyā€™s got some personal findings. Yours are opposite to what the society is pushing. Someoneā€™s can be opposite to yours, but still far from whatā€™s _militantly pushed by the society_. Thatā€™s the way it is, and itā€™s OK like this. ---
**Author:** ![kmacc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kmacc/32/267_2.png) [@kmacc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kmacc)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/15 "2011-03-14T12:22:14Z")
Get yourself marooned on a desert island with him. Iā€™ld say 10 to 20 years would do it (smile). ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/16 "2011-03-14T13:45:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Not trying to upset anyone but I want to shedsome light on this cuz what we are taught is not even close to trueā€¦ > > Sorry to contradict everything you said trish but iā€™m sorry, it isnā€™t biological, that has already been proven though I hear it once in a whileā€¦like when they said they found a ā€œgay geneā€ turned out to not be trueā€¦leftist propagandaā€¦ I am not upset by your opinion but I can see your upset by what I was conveying. However I didnt give my opinion or my perception of the truth as you have. > [@](#): > > the fact that our brains are programmable and the things we lust after and fantasize over are also programmableā€¦ Yes the brain is programmable and I believe its a lot more powerful then anyone truly knows but there are somethings after birth that can not be programmed. I can program a male to believe he is a female and they may take on characteristics and behaviors of a female but there biology remains the same and it always will unless of course medically altered. Biology doesnā€™t lie or have a perspective. It is what it is. Countless studies using MRIā€™s Pet, scans are now showing clear visible difference in the brains structure and wiring between males and females and between homosexuals and hetrosexuals. [http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn14145/dn14145-1\_513.jpg](http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn14145/dn14145-1_513.jpg) These are not sections of the brain that programming occurs in. This is biology. [Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex - life - 16 June 2008 - New Scientist](http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html) Yes there is a long way to go before science fully understands and comes to a concrete conclusion but they are well on there way. My mention of the ratio of pheromones/hormones has nothing to do with why a person is gay. Its not caused by a hormone imbalance. You are confusing cause with effect. My mention of it is in reference to how to use pheromones properly for a specific result. I did not mention genes anywhereā€¦ I know there was a time when science theorized it was in the genes and thats precisely how they discovered the difference in brain functions. In exploring genes they found other evidence that clearly supports other reasons. Thatā€™s what science isā€¦following the trail to its source. > [@](#): > > EVERYTHING in life is a choice and you can mold your likes and dislikes and fantasies.. I am a firm believer in choice but the choice is not whether you biologically are gay or straight. The choice is whether you except your gay or if you go with the programming of society that dictates its wrong to be what you biologically are and it is programming. > [@](#): > > when I know for a fact that is not the caseā€¦ You have not really given facts you gave us your perspective which from your own words you programmed your self to believe. While drugs and alcohol can temporarily alter cognitive thinking and brain function and even damage a brain over years of use they can not make a person gay. They can make them make stupid decisions but when they wake up the next day they are biologically the same. I dont have a belief as to why people are gay or not. I simply pointed out what science knows not what I perceive them to know. I have the unique gift of seeing things with clarity void of the programming and perceptions. > [@](#): > > I know this may upset people but I am for standing up for truth and with every day that passes I see evil spreading under Thatā€™s the problem. Your perception of the truth is just thatā€¦your perceptionā€¦ derived from your life experiences and your fears not from science. I mean no offence but being a empath everything you wrote spoke one thing to me and I could feel it tremendously. Something has you very afraid when it comes to this subject. NOw I know this statement may make you angry and I am sorry I just can tell you what I see. Again I mean no offence by it and only mention it because it may be something you want to explore in yourself. As for Politics and structured religionā€¦they have no place in biology so I am not even going to address those. Those are all programmed perceptions. You are certainly entitled to your beliefs and opinions and I know you mean no offence and none has been taken by me at least. I hope you feel the same. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/17 "2011-03-14T13:54:48Z")
Exactly my point, I have seen straight people in jail who werenā€™t in the closet do large bids and decide to give in at the prospect of sexual contact other then their hand for the next 10-20ā€¦and it happens too often when the circumstances are similarā€¦and I have tested the programmable theory on myself and I am not even tempted in that way or even with the heroinā€¦I have gay friends that admit they made a choice and then a few that wont but the few that wont are very obvious that they are having a conscience issue like an inner battle cuz they know what they are doing isnā€™t right and wouldnā€™t natural selection have rooted out that gene 2000yrs ago during the times of the Roman Empire? Since if genetic, those sleeping with the same sex wont have children (since the Romans were very open, it was a symbol of prestige to have gays in your courtyard) so anyway the progressive took us back to the 2nd century Roman mentality that anything that feels good is natural and should be indulged and ironically their society fell apart too, having similar social plagues like we are suffering now, so it may be coincidence but it seemlessly fits in my theory and after everything I have seen, my can agree to disagree. I just want people to think about it cuz my whole post was about how over a few years I did a ton of research and found much of which we commonly accept as truths, are BS and you can even locate when and where certain ideologies were addedā€¦like the US, when we flourished the whole country were mostly Christians but not like todays, they actually tried to give and lead by example, showing grace and love to many, granted some people werenā€™t like that but then, top that with gold backed currency, barely any taxes and hardly any Govt intervention and the nation thrived while based on self governance with lil to no govt involvement in peoples lives an no social programs carrying those who choose to be lazy. Overtaxation and regulation and excessive spending and too many govt workers did this, combined with the demoralization of society as a wholeā€¦ Heck back then if it was a choice it wasnā€™t legislated and taxes now here are higher then when we fought to break away from Englandā€¦and now some people are doing their best to make us look like every other nation despite they are all bankrupt and failing miserablyā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/18 "2011-03-14T14:00:48Z")
No Tish, you didnā€™t offend me but I was worried that since you havenā€™t known me long you may take it wrong, but I am glad you didnā€™tā€¦I hate even talking about that part of life, makes me sick but so many people are being fed a load of crap and it alters what they believe and before you know it its 2011 and society has all but fallen apartā€¦if it wasnā€™t held together by armed thugs who respect the law as much as they do criminals (majority of law enforcement in this area do everything the arrest people for) and if not for the private confiscation of wealth for redistribution by the govt there would be riots alreadyā€¦thankfully American ressolve is pulling through in spite of the current administrations policies but make no mistake, it is not a result of themā€¦when it was ā€œbadā€ under Bush it was 6% unemployment, under Obama it hit 20% in some areasā€¦Society is a mess, most agree with thatā€¦anyway I was just sharing what I know. Wasnā€™t my intention to offend anyone but I am one of those people who feels not doing/saying something is just as bad as being one of the perpetratorsā€¦what is done with it after is between each individual and God, no longer my problemā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/19 "2011-03-14T14:07:57Z")
Iā€™m not wanting to censor, and I donā€™t TOTALLY disagree with some of your views being Christian myself, however I consider it bad form to preach to people that arenā€™t particularly interested. The topic is derailing into attaching the decline of western civilization to the shrinking role of religion in peoples lives. While there may or not be some truth to this theory I consider a forum about the use of pheromones to be neither the appropriate time nor place. As I said, you have the right to express your opinions but please consider common manners and courtesy toward the topic starter with regard to addressing the actual question without imposing your personal religious beliefs on him. Now with regard to your example of prison behavior, I donā€™t consider this to be an accurate example of homosexuality anymore than I consider rape to be an example of heterosexuality. In prison you have a large number of already aggressive and violent individuals in a very tightly enclosed spaceā€¦role establishments of dominance and submission are no doubt likely to occur. The only way that one male can assert dominance over another more effectively than by beating him into submission, is to emasculate him. By forcing another man into a feminine role the aggressor asserts his own masculinity as being stronger and more dominant. Itā€™s not a preference for men in this case, nor is it a choice based on the lack of female options, itā€™s about power and establishing your status within the environment. ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329/20 "2011-03-14T14:13:54Z")
Ya, but im not talking about people raped in prison, that didnā€™t happen much in the one I was in cuz there were plenty who were already willingā€¦there was no force involved in the dozens of cases I sawā€¦a couple had been molested as kids but that was only 2 out of quite a fewā€¦ Ya, I was trying to tie the pheromones and personal choice and the things we focus on decide our attractions so some people are just off limits and nothing can change thatā€¦I should have just kept it simple but I was trying to help everyone percieve the sum total of my experiences and what those assumptions were based upon and that ability to determine the things people focus on can help when starting a conversation, which the mones could help with thatā€¦just kinda got lost in the rabbit hole I guess and didnā€™t tie it all together very well, should have waited to smoke a J until after I finished. I am far from perfect but I call it as I see itā€¦I will try and be more conscious about keeping it scientific but science encompasses every aspect of human reaction so it is in a sense science , but I get what you are sayingā€¦its all good hereā€¦ [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-straight-men-go-gay/49329.md?page=2)