# Making your own Phermone?

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560>\
**Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\
**Created:** [February 27, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560 "2009-02-27T22:18:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/1 "2009-02-27T22:18:08Z")

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Well, since I’m getting [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and researched a few days about pheormones, I have to tell, one thing interests me.

I read some wikipedia articles about Androstadienone (the sexual hormone) and the Androstenone (the alpha-like, which could also could be considered a sexual harmone due to females being attracted to alpha males).

Both of these things come from male sweat; thus, I am a male and had made a theory. What if I harnessed my own sweat and put it in a cologne? I wanna to test it out along with ammo I will get.

Since I’m a teenager, I should have a higher concentration of the pheormones than a 30 year old right? So if I harnessed my own sweat and put it in a cologne, wouldn’t that be the same as a pheormone cologne? I’m really anxious to test this out, any thoughts? 😃

(I’m not putting down and trying to keep anybody from purchasing smartmones goods, I just wanted to see if this could actually work)

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/2 "2009-02-27T22:35:25Z")

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Well, if you can collect about 30 gallons of your sweat and concentrate it down to about 10cc you might have a chem set concentration on ~none.😃

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**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/3 "2009-02-27T22:41:31Z")

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> [@Mtnjim](#):
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> Well, if you can collect about 30 gallons of your sweat and concentrate it down to about 10cc you might have a chem set concentration on ~none.😃

The [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) content is really that small in your sweat?

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/4 "2009-02-27T22:47:10Z")

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> [@LTDshred](#):
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> The pheromone content is really that small in your sweat?

Not exact, but close.

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**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/5 "2009-02-27T22:53:32Z")

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> [@Mtnjim](#):
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> Well, if you can collect about 30 gallons of your sweat and concentrate it down to about 10cc you might have a chem set concentration on ~none.😃

Yeah, and remember, it all has to be captured in less than an hour, or you have skews for bacterial activity… and evaporation.

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**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/6 "2009-02-27T22:59:54Z")

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> [@Mtnjim](#):
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> Not exact, but close.

Well shouldn’t it be higher that I am younger?

and Catlord17, I think I could capture it in about an hour and put it in an empty spray bottle or something. 😛

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**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/7 "2009-02-27T23:58:48Z")

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It is a little more complex than just collecting sweat.

Certain bacterial (corynebacteria) processes are involved as well. And if you let your sweat sit around in a bottle with all the different bacteria you will be scraping off into it, you don’t know exactly what you will end up with. And it is unsanitary. Think about how much you stink if you don’t shower for a week. That’s going to happen in your bottle of sweat. You could call your product Instant Stench, because that is about what it will be.

And if you filter out the bacteria in your sweat right after collection and decant what is left into another bottle, you are still going to have mostly salt water with a little pheromone, not enough to influence anyone. It would be about as pointless as taking one spray of TUTH and diluting it in about 1000 parts of salt water… It is just silly.

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> The concentrations of five 16-androstene steroids were determined, by a GC-MS method, in freshly-produced apocrine sweat (adrenaline-induced), in 8 men and 2 women. The ranges of concentrations (nmol/microliter) in apocrine sweat were: 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3-one (5 alpha-A), 0.1-2.0 and 4,16-androstadien-3-one (androstadienone), 0-1.9, 5,16-Androstadien-3 beta-ol (androstadienol) was also found in 5 of the subjects (range 0.05-1.05). 5 alpha-Androst-16-en-3 alpha- or 3 beta-ols [3 alpha (beta)-androstenols] were only found in small amounts (\< 0.1 nmol/microliters) in a few subjects. In the second study, prior to apocrine sweat collection (adrenaline injection), the axillary skin of 6 of the male subjects was washed with diethyl ether on an adjacent site of the axillary vault. The concentrations of 16-androstenes were compared in the ethereal extracts and apocrine sweat. The former contained detectable levels (pmol/cm2) of androstadienone (17.9 +/- 2.4), 3 alpha-androstenol (6.9 +/- 3.7), 3 beta-androstenol (1.8 +/- 1.0) and androstadienol (1.9 +/- 0.5) (means +/- SEM) in all 6 subjects. All but 1 subject also had 5 alpha-androstenone, the mean value for the others being 2.5 +/- 0.6. The axillary skin levels of 3 alpha- and 3 beta-androstenols, androstadienol and, in 3 subjects, androstadienone exceeded those in the apocrine sweat obtained from the same subjects, whereas levels of 5 alpha-androstenone in the skin extracts were all lower than in apocrine sweat samples, when related to the corresponding areas of skin sampled. The metabolism of 16-androstenes was studied in vitro in the presence of two aerobic coryneform bacteria, previously shown to metabolize testosterone as well as being capable of producing odour from extracts of axillary sweat in an odour-generation test. Although both coryneforms caused complex metabolic reactions and were capable of oxidation or reduction at C-3 and C-4, the overall direction favoured reduction. For example, large quantities of the more odorous 5 alpha-androstenone and 3 alpha-androstenol were formed from androstadienol and androstadienone. In contrast, strains of corynebacteria, unable to produce odour and incapable of metabolizing testosterone, were also unable to metabolize 16-androstenes.

[Comparison of 16-androstene steroid concentrations…[J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1994] - PubMed Result](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8142319)

Diane

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**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/8 "2009-02-28T00:06:49Z")

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> [@diane999](#):
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> It is a little more complex than just collecting sweat. Certain bacterial (corynebacteria) processes are involved as well. And if you let your sweat sit around in a bottle with all the different bacteria you will be scraping off into it, you don’t know exactly what you will end up with. And it is unsanitary. Think about how much you stink if you don’t shower for a week. That’s going to happen in your bottle of sweat. And if you filter out the bacteria in your sweat and decant what is left into another bottle, you are going to have mostly salt water with a little pheromone, not enough to influence anyone.
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> [Comparison of 16-androstene steroid concentrations…[J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1994] - PubMed Result](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8142319)
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> Diane

Hmm, you make an interesting point there. I guess that pretty much kills my own theory, but what I don’t get is how individuals manage to collect it and use them in university studies and experiments.

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/9 "2009-02-28T00:07:46Z")

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> [@diane999](#):
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> It is a little more complex than just collecting sweat. Certain bacterial (corynebacteria) processes are involved as well.

I was giving him the “simple” answer. Didn’t want to scare him _too_ much.😃

After all, collecting 30 gallons of sweat is a big enough problem all on it’s own.

Jim

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/10 "2009-02-28T00:11:46Z")

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> [@LTDshred](#):
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> … but what I don’t get is how individuals manage to collect it and use them in university studies and experiments.

They synthesizeize them from chemicals.

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/11 "2009-02-28T00:19:57Z")

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> [@Mtnjim](#):
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> They synthesizeize them from chemicals.

I think LTDshred probably thought they had a lot of guys running on treadmills trying to sweat up a storm while scientists collect their sweat into little beakers? 🙂

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**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/12 "2009-02-28T00:21:44Z")

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> [@LTDshred](#):
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> Hmm, you make an interesting point there. I guess that pretty much kills my own theory, but what I don’t get is how individuals manage to collect it and use them in university studies and experiments.

Chemistry is wonderful in that you can isolate and extract molecules for measuring and characterizing based on their chemical properties. These procedures often use some very toxic or caustic chemicals though, and really shouldn’t be attempted outside the lab. Some of the reagents the researchers use are illegal to have without proper permits.

Diane

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**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/13 "2009-02-28T02:01:54Z")

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> [@LTDshred](#):
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> Hmm, you make an interesting point there. I guess that pretty much kills my own theory, but what I don’t get is how individuals manage to collect it and use them in university studies and experiments.

Actually, people have reported some success with this idea. Women have been using their own secretions for perfume for a long time. Men have reported various degrees of success with this approach too.

One thing is not to wash with soap. Then sweat from the genital area or armpits can be applied to the neck or wrist. Some people have tried going without bathing for periods of time in conjunction with these strategies. This will certainly give a more “natural” smell similar to what we evolved with. However, it may violate certain social conventions. Depending on your physiology it may be more or less offensive. Or you may be in the situation where some people react positively while others react negatively.

But we see that with synthesised pheormones too.

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**Author:** ![magnum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magnum/32/1423_2.png) [@magnum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magnum)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/14 "2009-02-28T02:29:35Z")

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> [@LTDshred](#):
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> …but what I don’t get is how individuals manage to collect it and use them in university studies and experiments.

> [@Mtnjim](#):
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> They synthesizeize them from chemicals.

There are indeed some studies where they collect the sweat from the armpits with pads, for example there is a study where people are exposed to fearful situations and they had proof that others exposed to this fear-sweat react to it, or a study where women identified their boyfriends through their armpit sweat.

But i think in these cases they use the pads after a short period of time - and the test subjects sniff the pads directly, it would have no effect from a distance…

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**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/15 "2009-02-28T21:45:10Z")

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Hey Shred I’m digging your avatar…

Anyway if your serious about creating [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) from your own bodily fluids here’s a link which will explain how.

[Secret pheromone extraction method will allow all Goons to attract women! - The Something Awful Forums](http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2820525)

Although if ask me the process sounds absolutely revolting and there’s not enough money in the world for me to want to try it… but best of luck if you decide to give it a shot.

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**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/16 "2009-03-01T00:08:02Z")

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> [@SoulCreator](#):
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> Hey Shred I’m digging your avatar…
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> Anyway if your serious about creating pheromones from your own bodily fluids here’s a link which will explain how.
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> [Secret pheromone extraction method will allow all Goons to attract women! - The Something Awful Forums](http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2820525)
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> Although if ask me the process sounds absolutely revolting and there’s not enough money in the world for me to want to try it… but best of luck if you decide to give it a shot.

Haha, thanks, I’ll read, I just got a new cell for my birthday so that is pretty good.

Hopefully the article will have something about sanitariness so I don’t get sick off this.

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**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/17 "2009-03-01T00:38:52Z")

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Shred, are you an ESP fan? Just judging by your user name.

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**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/18 "2009-03-01T01:28:07Z")

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> [@jessejester](#):
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> Shred, are you an ESP fan? Just judging by your user name.

OOh! This sounds like a fun game, I want in.

Jesse from the head stock of the guitar in your sig pic it looks like your into Ibanez’s… and from the body shape I’d guess you play a Mikro model. Am I right?

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**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/19 "2009-03-01T16:50:07Z")

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> [@SoulCreator](#):
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> OOh! This sounds like a fun game, I want in.
> 
> Jesse from the head stock of the guitar in your sig pic it looks like your into Ibanez’s… and from the body shape I’d guess you play a Mikro model. Am I right?

Its actually an Agile Interceptor. Its a baritone 7 string. 27" in neck and dimarzio blaze pups. The sound is quite comparable to the Ibanez U/V.

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**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/making-your-own-phermone/26560/20 "2009-03-01T22:05:14Z")

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> [@jessejester](#):
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> Shred, are you an ESP fan? Just judging by your user name.

Yea, I got an ESP LTD M-1000 Deluxe. Its pretty good, dual EMG 81’s w/ geniune Floyd Rose

I also have a Fender Strat 57 reissue, I’m a major Yngwie fan

wow we are getting off topic lol 😛

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