# Marriage Material vs. Fuck-worthy continued **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300 "2014-03-03T00:25:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/1 "2014-03-03T00:25:45Z")
Just throwing it out there: some of my most “good” girl friends are milking it for the kink of being “bad” in the bedroom. A lot of men are into the irony of a seemingly innocent/pure girl being really naughty… don’t dismiss the good girls so fast. The catches aren’t always trying to marry you either and can be just as sexual if you give them the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Be\_Real](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/be_real/32/2295_2.png) [@Be\_Real](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Be_Real)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/2 "2014-03-03T16:16:08Z")
> [@LadyScientist](#): > > Just throwing it out there: some of my most “good” girl friends are milking it for the kink of being “bad” in the bedroom. A lot of men are into the irony of a seemingly innocent/pure girl being really naughty… don’t dismiss the good girls so fast. The catches aren’t always trying to marry you either and can be just as sexual if you give them the chance. Thank you for the comment and advice. I’m usually quite good at spotting the good-but-naughty girls and this girl isn’t one…yet. I can definitely see her becoming one, as she breaks out of the sheltered life she’s been living. On my side, I don’t have the patience to help her through that. I wasn’t saying that she wanted to marry me - rather, that she’d be a great girl for a long-term commitment/marriage. ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/3 "2014-03-03T20:28:59Z")
I totally hear you- I have no patience for educating/exposing someone to sexual behaviors unless I am crazy about them. Although, please help me understand this dichotomy between “women you’d marry” and “women you’d fuck”- it’s not the first time I’ve heard this. There have also been a lot of articles circulating about this similar idea and recently a couple friend said he “couldn’t fuck her dirty” anymore because now that she is the mother of his children, he didn’t want to disrespect her that way. To me, wouldn’t you want to be with someone forever that you wanted to have hot sex with for a long time? Why does having respect for a woman because she is “sweet or a princess” make her less desirable sexually? More importantly, where did we go so far off the track that we can no longer equate “fucking” someone with “respecting” them? I’m not attacking you or your ideas- I’m just trying to dig into your brain because it sounds like you have a solid understanding of this in your life. Thanks for your input! ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_W](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nick_w/32/2200_2.png) [@Nick\_W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nick_W)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/4 "2014-03-03T21:20:14Z")
> [@LadyScientist](#): > > … said he “couldn’t fuck her dirty” anymore because now that she is the mother of his children, he didn’t want to disrespect her that way. I am dying in my chair over here. This is why I love my job. Lines like this. I think it has to do with his expectations not meeting her expectations of what a relationship is, not so much that he wouldn’t marry her, it’s that he doesn’t want to marry _anything_ at 21. She might be expecting a longer-term thing than he is, and sometimes it’s just respectful to not get too involved when that happens. There is a pretty awesome girl in my life that I am not letting get any closer because I just don’t really want a relationship right now. I am having a hard time navigating as it is. The last thing I need is another perspective to think from. That being said, my experience with some of those good girls has been… enlightening. Once upon a time a boy named Nick chased a good girl (Weird, I know.) She was rather petite, just shy of 5 foot, and yet somehow she still had legs, looooong brown hair that was always up in a ponytail because she was always making a mess with something (artists), a decidedly interesting world view, extremely intelligent, kind of neurotic. Upon arrival, the Nick hath discovered despite being almost elven in her daily life (graceful, connected with nature and the world around her), and extremely adorable, and absolutely gorgeous under the hoodie, that she was a bit… boring, sexually. Well. We had a few conversations about things we were into, and then she finally cracked to me. “Are you comfortable with knife play?” OHSHI- It just got crazier from there, it just took 4 months of massaging to get her top open up to me like that. Let’s just say I got to try a lot of new things (Find a fetish list with a “select all” option and then we can start from there), and there are a lot of mental imagery and audio I don’t think I can forget. On a cellphone I lost in the Nevadan desert there is a voicemail saved on it. “Words and play are nice all day, tonight you’re gonna fuck me.” Check that between class and try not to smile. Thinking about it still sends chills down my spine. To say the least she was a bit more sexually developed than I had first seriously suspected, quite possibly more developed than I. Basically, I have learned to thoroughly investigate my ladies before making assumptions like that. Make sure there’s no hidden compartments, cause I found the motherlode last time I looked. -Nick ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/5 "2014-03-03T21:48:02Z")
> [@Nick\_W](#): > > I think it has to do with his expectations not meeting her expectations of what a relationship is, not so much that he wouldn’t marry her, it’s that he doesn’t want to marry _anything_ at 21. She might be expecting a longer-term thing than he is, and sometimes it’s just respectful to not get too involved when that happens. Yes- I agree with this and that is obvious- both parties have to be on the same page and mutually wanting the same thing out of their sexual adventures. I’m talking about a different concept all together- that women have to be clumped in the either/or category and can’t be both. The dirty girl can’t be the girl you’d want to marry or the other way around. Even though he’s not looking for a LTR, and she is LTR-worthy, it doesn’t mean they still can’t have an awesome casual/sexual dating connection. As I mentioned before, the girls who seem like “good” girls, don’t necessarily want something serious either. I think in general we have a hard time believing that the girl that will tie you up in chains will also be faithful and loyal or the other way around. – The main reason I bring this up is because a lot of the articles have geared towards “slut shaming” where guys sleep with whoever they want, but when it’s time to get married, they are no “good girls” left to marry because they have also had numerous sexual experiences. So why should a man be worthy of marriage if he’s played the field, but not a woman? Why can’t the woman you love and marry also be the woman you want to fuck up against the wall in a bar bathroom? There is some male-disconnect here that I’m trying to understand. (Oh and PS- thanks for sharing your story! Myself and my gf’s are those closet freaks too that surprise the shit out of everyone) ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_W](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nick_w/32/2200_2.png) [@Nick\_W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nick_W)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/6 "2014-03-03T22:48:33Z")
> [@LadyScientist](#): > > The dirty girl can’t be the girl you’d want to marry or the other way around. Even though he’s not looking for a LTR, and she is LTR-worthy, it doesn’t mean they still can’t have an awesome casual/sexual dating connection. As I mentioned before, the girls who seem like “good” girls, don’t necessarily want something serious either. I think in general we have a hard time believing that the girl that will tie you up in chains will also be faithful and loyal or the other way around. I can only speak from personal experience on this one. I don’t believe that’s true at all. I think human relationships the same way I do paint. In order to get the new coat of spray paint to bond with the rest of the side of the police car, you have to scratch it up first! You go out, do something insane, scratch away at the clear coat of who you were before and make a new bond, and love each other more for it, I am certainly not going to forget the night at the park with my first GF, or what happened at the Crystal Castles show. It’s all the more git to which to bind to each other with. Personally I am looking to have as many of those moments as possible with the person I am with. I want to be able to say “Peanut Butter Chocolate Sundae” and make her blush, even when I am 50. > [@](#): > > Why can’t the woman you love and marry also be the woman you want to fuck up against the wall in a bar bathroom? I find that I enjoy the polarity of the good girl who is bad as can be. Someone I can bring home to mom and still get tangled up with. I think that “Slut Shaming” is a result of old ideas hitting new advancements and not quite shifting yet. I find that women who are sexually established extremely attractive. Why? Because I like surprises, I like that naughty threat of “I WILL show you a good time” (That’s a story for another hijacked thread.) For now let’s let B-Real finish his J [http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/02/27/30smokeout1024kas\_.gif](http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/02/27/30smokeout1024kas_.gif) -ournal. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/7 "2014-03-05T17:57:14Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyScientist View Post … said he “couldn’t fuck her dirty” anymore because now that she is the mother of his children, he didn’t want to disrespect her that way. LadyScientist, Yeah I dont quite get this. Maybe he just means…well I dont know what he means. I will let him explain. I was going to say maybe he would treat gals differently in bed based on where he saw things headed? For instance, maybe he would pull out the assless chaps, whips, toys and midgets for a gal he is just “Sportfucking”, but feels the need to go more conventional-only missionary, and only on Saturday nights for a girl that he is serious about enough to marry? Or maybe he just thinks that the midgets will scare the children? I have no idea. I think the point you are making is that “good girls” are sexual beings as well, and can and will show their inner kink, whatever that may be, if you actually give them a chance, and peel back a few of the layers to really know them. IMO, one of the hotest looks going right now is the “sexy librarian” look. I am an absolute sucker for it. It really says it all doesnt it? It says, “Im a good girl” but the button down blouse, the tight pencil skirt, the Hipster horn rimmed glasses send another message altogether. Oh and lets not forget the high heels..mmmmm… So why cant we (men and women) have it all? Smart, good girl, sexy, chef in the kitchen, whore in the bedroom, Donald Trump in the boardroom, good with pets and small children, drink like an Irishmen (I can say that), cuss like a sailor, AND…with a well rounded command of the Dewey Decimal System?? I say we can, and we must! 😃😃🆒 ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/8 "2014-03-06T05:44:37Z")
So.. I’m new to this whole forum thing and I didn’t realize I “hijacked” a thread by derailing someone’s journal (oooops! So Sorry!) with this topic that was hinted at that I have been exploring.. basically that women who are perceived as being “good” are often categorized into the LTR box (even if that’s not what they are looking for) and possibly boring in bed while naughty/kinkier women are fun temporarily but not considered marriage material. It was originally brought to my attention when a friend of mine, happily married with children, (who is smoking hot- she’s a model with a 10 body and 10+ personality- we have been friends for 15 years so I can assure you that’s truth) starting getting less sex from her once horny sex all the time husband. He claimed that he couldn’t “fuck her dirty anymore” because he respected her too much now that she is his wife and mother of his children. For the guys who are looking for something else to blame, I can assure you he is madly in love with her, is very attracted to her, is definitely sexual, and is not cheating. He is not the first person I have heard say something similar to this. There have been numerous articles floating around claiming the same thing… I am having a hard time understanding why we can’t accept women as both the loving respectable women that is part of your family who you adore as well as the naughty sex villian you slam against the wall while ripping all her clothes off simultaneously. so.. help?😕 ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/9 "2014-03-06T05:47:39Z")
I LOVE reading all of your input! Thank you! I’m so sorry Be Real that we hogged your journal- I promise you it was a total newbie accident and I didn’t mean it (you guys have to fill me in on all this online etiquette I know nothing about). Let’s continue this topic here: [Marriage Material vs. Fuck-worthy continued - #8 by LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/8) ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 6:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/10 "2014-03-06T06:26:33Z")
Ever heard this saying? “Show me a guy with a beautiful wife and I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of fucking her”. The best answer I can give is that monogamy doesn’t lend itself to physical variety, it keeps you involved with the same person perpetually, a person who eventually you know all their tricks & gyrations. This can lead to boredom & even resentment at feeling “trapped” into the sameness of it all. This knife cuts both ways though for women as well, they can get easily bored by the same repetitive techniques & positions. A lot of married women have told me this.☹ Maybe it was just an excuse to stray but I don’t think so. They seemed like very nice wholesome ladies to me. ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/11 "2014-03-06T06:41:22Z")
Well boredom can/does explain the married couple I used as an example, but it doesn’t answer the rest of the dichotomy. Even when people first meet/ start dating, women get put in the Fuck for Fun or Serious Relationship box kind of immediately. I’m suggesting that if we considered the person we lust after for a LTR maybe we wouldn’t get sexually bored so quickly. Humans, especially women, are not “either or”- we are complex- we don’t fit in boxes neatly or at all- so why mentally separate lusty desires from respect? ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 11:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/12 "2014-03-06T11:48:29Z")
Hi LadyScientist, thanks for continuing the conversation on a new thread. The dichotomy you speak of is really part and parcel of the sexual double standard in our society. Guys sleep around and they are a stud, a player, a Casanova. Generally positive descriptors. A woman does it and she is loose, a whore, skank, whatever.. negative. Doesn’t make sense to me. If you’re a guy, and you like lots of intense, adventurous, sex, and you find that in a woman that has her shit together in her life (not a basket case) why does that have to be “packaged” a certain way that meets your pre conceived notion? To me the dichotomy adds to the sexiness. I’d see her in public dressed Dressed like she is going to church, but l would be thinking “if they only knew she was swinging from a trapeze in my bedroom last nite!” The fact that only we only know that side of our lives builds that intimacy that I feel is necessary for a successful ltr. But that being said… Women also play their part in perpetuating this dichotomy. They continue to play by “the rules” that are engrained in the group think . We need more trailblazers that push the envelope. Hmmmm…deep shit man… ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/13 "2014-03-06T14:20:19Z")
Mod note: I migrated LadyScientist’s great observations to her own self-started thread, leaving Be Real’s journal to be Be Real’s journal. Because of time/date stamps, the flow of this thread may be a little messed up. My apologies! ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/14 "2014-03-06T19:15:40Z")
> [@Brian\_F](#): > > Mod note: I migrated LadyScientist’s great observations to her own self-started thread, leaving Be Real’s journal to be Be Real’s journal. > > Because of time/date stamps, the flow of this thread may be a little messed up. My apologies! Wow- how did you do that! You’re the best! Thank you for doing that- the guilt of being an inadvertent ass-wipe was eating my heart out. (new to the community and already causing trouble! I am the worst) I’m bursting with thoughts and responses to everyone’s comments (this is an exciting forum!) so I’m going to need to digest it all before I can adequately respond. I just wanted to quickly thank Brian F for being so awesome! ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/15 "2014-03-07T06:24:06Z")
> [@Nick\_W](#): > > I find that I enjoy the polarity of the good girl who is bad as can be. Someone I can bring home to mom and still get tangled up with. I think that “Slut Shaming” is a result of old ideas hitting new advancements and not quite shifting yet. I find that women who are sexually established extremely attractive. Why? Because I like surprises, I like that naughty threat of “I WILL show you a good time” > [@CelticPrince](#): > > So why cant we (men and women) have it all? Smart, good girl, sexy, chef in the kitchen, whore in the bedroom, Donald Trump in the boardroom, good with pets and small children, drink like an Irishmen (I can say that), cuss like a sailor, AND…with a well rounded command of the Dewey Decimal System?? Both CelticPrinc and Nick W are confirming my point that I believe some men are into the polarity of the good/bad girl combo (yay!)-- so unfortunately you can’t speak for the men who don’t see women that way (come on Be Real we need your input here!). However, the point about this paradigm in a modern setting not catching up is only part of the disconnect. Back to my original quote of respecting her too much to “fuck her dirty”, it makes me wonder if we have to do some sort of objectifying in order to want to fuck them dirty in the first place, then we struggle with feeling guilty for sexually disrespecting a wo/man we really love. I have experienced this to some degree myself; I have withheld kinky practices from a guy who I loved too much and didn’t want him to think I was objectifying him (he already thought I was b/c I wanted sex, like ALL the time… “you treat me like a piece of meat!”- no joke) Other times, I’ve “used” a guy so badly (with his permission) that I could never see myself actually having a relationship with him after how poorly I treated him. Maybe him letting me mistreat him made me lose the respect I would have had for him? So I do think there is an on/off switch with respect/dirty sex sometimes. To really have rough ridiculous sex, a little bit of us has to see them as purely sexual entities, and to really love and admire someone, we can’t associate them with the same dirty sex behaviors we do with people we don’t respect that much (or at all). > [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > The best answer I can give is that monogamy doesn’t lend itself to physical variety, it keeps you involved with the same person perpetually, a person who eventually you know all their tricks & gyrations. This can lead to boredom & even resentment at feeling “trapped” into the sameness of it all. This knife cuts both ways though for women as well, they can get easily bored by the same repetitive techniques & positions. Boredom is inevitable- it’s what got me interested in [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) in the first place, to try to fight that. Interestingly enough for the kink, the longer/better I know someone, the kinkier we can get with experience and trust. I almost always have hotter sex with someone I feel comfortable with – and who has been trained on how to please me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Be\_Real](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/be_real/32/2295_2.png) [@Be\_Real](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Be_Real)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/16 "2014-03-10T04:25:01Z")
I was reading these posts as they came into my journal - great discussion, some very interesting questions being asked. Firstly, LadyScientist, I don’t believe anybody here was claiming that you can’t both fuck a woman and respect her at the same time. It seems to me like you quoted some article where some guy did think that, and then assumed I held the same opinion. What is true is that I do categorise portential partners and I’d be surprised if not everyone did this to some extent. If a girl and I have nothing in common, but she’s hot and down to fuck, then we’ll have sex and no more. If a girl expresses no sexuality whatsoever, then she gets a ticket to the friendzone and I move onto the next one. I believe the same process goes on in most people’s heads - nice guys get friendzoned all the time, same reason. This leads onto what I’m talking about when I say “marriage material” (which in hindsight should’ve probably said “LTR material”). Sometimes you meet a nice, intelligent and beautiful girl who is neither sexual nor forward and requires you to play the slow game with. Yet she’s such a catch and the two of you have so much in commmon. In that case I might be willing to wait and see if the sexuality side develops. Note that “nice, intelligent and beautiful” are just some of the (very generic) criteria that I have for a girl to be LTR worthy. Other guys may want different things. And no, I’m not into “good girls with chains and whips” or whatever. In my journal I was talking about how I’d be almost willing to play the slow game with the girl I dated because she ticks the right boxes for a LTR. But in the end it wasn’t what I was looking for. You had it right though - the best situation is when a girl ticks all the boxes for a relationship, and is great for sex from the get-go. Unfortunately, the girls I’ve been getting with lately just haven’t been like that. Partly to blame is my lack of “party game” (mystery method etc), I suppose. Ultimately, I don’t think there is an unjustified categorisation of anybody by anybody. Rather, it’s brought on by people’s own behaviours. So why do so many girls fall into either fuck-worthy or marriage material, but not both? I believe it’s because trust is integral to monogamous relationships. Girls who are forward, highly sexual and dirty in bed often have that confidence from experience of many sexual encounters. In a relationship there exists a concern whether these girls will hop onto the next hot stud that walks by. Hence why many guys look for qualities such as loyalty and “niceness” in a girl for LTRs. But then if they’re too nice and not sexual enough, it’s the friendzone…ugh. Not many people have that balance of qualities and so they fall into one category or the other. ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/17 "2014-03-11T01:46:29Z")
> [@Be\_Real](#): > > Firstly, LadyScientist, I don’t believe anybody here was claiming that you can’t both fuck a woman and respect her at the same time. It seems to me like you quoted some article where some guy did think that, and then assumed I held the same opinion. Absolutely not! I apologize that my comments implied that or lead anyone to believe that. I wanted to tie in the idea of categorizing women (and men) into two distinct categories with something a friend of mine’s husband had said (“can’t fuck her dirty because [he] respects her too much”), as well as other articles touching on a similar idea-- purely for the sake of discussion as it has been something I’ve been curious about. **I do NOT think that you, personally, can’t fuck a women and respect her at the same time, and I don’t think you said anything that would lead anyone to believe that either.** Please forgive me for this misunderstanding, it was not my intention at all. > [@Be\_Real](#): > > You had it right though - the best situation is when a girl ticks all the boxes for a relationship, and is great for sex from the get-go. Unfortunately, the girls I’ve been getting with lately just haven’t been like that. Partly to blame is my lack of “party game” (mystery method etc), I suppose. I don’t understand, party game? Mystery method? > [@Be\_Real](#): > > Ultimately, I don’t think there is an unjustified categorisation of anybody by anybody. Rather, it’s brought on by people’s own behaviours. So why do so many girls fall into either fuck-worthy or marriage material, but not both? I believe it’s because trust is integral to monogamous relationships. Girls who are forward, highly sexual and dirty in bed often have that confidence from experience of many sexual encounters. In a relationship there exists a concern whether these girls will hop onto the next hot stud that walks by. Hence why many guys look for qualities such as loyalty and “niceness” in a girl for LTRs. But then if they’re too nice and not sexual enough, it’s the friendzone…ugh. Not many people have that balance of qualities and so they fall into one category or the other. I think this absolutely hits the nail on the head. I agree with you- that most men find it hard to believe that a sexually liberated women would stay loyal or committed or honest or whatever the rules are in the relationship for the specific LTR. It’s the exact reason why women play the whole “no sex til the 3rd date” and pretend to be so pious- so he thinks that she is gf material- even if she is as naughty as the “whips n chains” girl. I personally can be a very loyal committed girlfriend to a man who deserves it and have been in plenty of LTRs-- but in between those worthy men, well a girls got needs 😉. So I often get wrongfully put in either of these categories when I’m in fact both. So ironically (or hypocritical/funny/karmic), because after that thread, I had the same realization with a guy I’ve been seeing. He is way too prude and I almost crossed him off the list. I had to catch myself and ask, is he pretending to be a good boy so that I take him seriously (he’s grilling me about my 5 year plan, yeah that kinda serious), or is he really never going to be as sexual as I want him to be? Bc like you mentioned, he does have all these other characteristics that make him a solid person for a LTR- but what’s the point without hot sex. seriously. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/18 "2014-03-11T02:24:29Z")
> [@LadyScientist](#): > > Absolutely not! I apologize that my comments implied that or lead anyone to believe that. I wanted to tie in the idea of categorizing women (and men) into two distinct categories with something a friend of mine’s husband had said (“can’t fuck her dirty because [he] respects her too much”), as well as other articles touching on a similar idea-- purely for the sake of discussion as it has been something I’ve been curious about. **I do NOT think that you, personally, can’t fuck a women and respect her at the same time, and I don’t think you said anything that would lead anyone to believe that either.** Please forgive me for this misunderstanding, it was not my intention at all. > > I don’t understand, party game? Mystery method? > > I think this absolutely hits the nail on the head. I agree with you- that most men find it hard to believe that a sexually liberated women would stay loyal or committed or honest or whatever the rules are in the relationship for the specific LTR. It’s the exact reason why women play the whole “no sex til the 3rd date” and pretend to be so pious- so he thinks that she is gf material- even if she is as naughty as the “whips n chains” girl. > > I personally can be a very loyal committed girlfriend to a man who deserves it and have been in plenty of LTRs-- but in between those worthy men, well a girls got needs 😉. So I often get wrongfully put in either of these categories when I’m in fact both. > > So ironically (or hypocritical/funny/karmic), because after that thread, I had the same realization with a guy I’ve been seeing. He is way too prude and I almost crossed him off the list. I had to catch myself and ask, is he pretending to be a good boy so that I take him seriously (he’s grilling me about my 5 year plan, yeah that kinda serious), or is he really never going to be as sexual as I want him to be? Bc like you mentioned, he does have all these other characteristics that make him a solid person for a LTR- but what’s the point without hot sex. seriously. So I’m dying to know…are you gonna fuck HIM dirty or cross him off the list??🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/19 "2014-03-11T02:39:44Z")
> [@CelticPrince](#): > > So I’m dying to know…are you gonna fuck HIM dirty or cross him off the list??🙂 I’m gonna give him some time (a month max) to open up, blossom, deflower, if you will. And I did try, but he didn’t last more than 10 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300/20 "2014-03-16T01:50:45Z")
Wow only 10 seconds huh? Thats not good. Well hopefully he did the gentlemanly thing and reloaded, or took care of you in other ways.😃 Was this the first time you guys have been together? Maybe you just overwhelmed him with your sexiness? Performance anxiety? Were you using any mones on him? If so which ones and what amount. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/marriage-material-vs-fuck-worthy-continued/61300.md?page=2)