# Mature Women & Pheremones... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 21, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804 "2013-04-21T06:39:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![farmergiles](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/farmergiles/32/358_2.png) [@farmergiles](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/farmergiles)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/1 "2013-04-21T06:39:28Z")
Hi everyone, I’m back after a couple of years away from experiments and the forum so forgive the absence, please 😉 Not being a youngster any more (at least according to the calender if not my head) my target age group are all likely to be post-menopausal women. Ok, there is the background, now onto the things I already have theories on: - Normal (i.e. lower strength) pheromone mixes appear to have little to no effect on this group - Higher strengths may be used with some to good effect, but care has to be taken when mixed age groups are encountered. - Mixes of ‘unsocial’ [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) often have surprising negative results! Having now dug out my arsenal of Game fragranced 'mones I shall be mixing away for the next few months and finding out what, if any, predictable results I find interesting enough to share. Historically: All of the products I purchased in the past were 10 ug strength, aimed at the age group mentioned above. I know that the ladies from our forum occasionally drop in to see what we men are talking about and I would be interested in any comments to my conjectures should any in the target group be willing to add their perspective. More later… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 7:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/2 "2013-04-21T07:14:27Z")
Broadly, yes you are on the right track. More mature women generally do better with more extreme versions of any mix - Particularly sexual and status IME. Hence an older guy can make better use of the more overt pheros and higher dose mixes like TUTH, IJ, NPA etc and higher doses of status/msculine A314 or [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and in combinations that would send most young women scurrying away from you. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/3 "2013-04-21T10:35:46Z")
I posted a similar thread on the women’s side recently, asking about post-menopausal female responses. It seems the women did not even want to read it, much less respond. My observation is that post-menopausal women no longer respond to heavy andro mones like NPA or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). I so see a bit of response to socials like Shine or TAC but in general even those responses are dulled. Prior to menopause, say from age 40 to 55, women have a heightened response to andro mones and appreciate stronger doses. I’ve had several lovers in this range tell me how much they LOVE my “manly scent” when dosed with NPA at levels that would panic an 18 year old. ---
**Author:** ![NeithSpell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/neithspell/32/2264_2.png) [@NeithSpell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NeithSpell)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/4 "2013-04-22T14:11:34Z")
interesting! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/5 "2013-04-23T01:18:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I posted a similar thread on the women’s side recently, asking about post-menopausal female responses. It seems the women did not even want to read it, much less respond. I read it but I am not post menopausal so I really couldn’t give a opinion on it. I know a few post menopausal women who use mones but they haven’t been exposed to mones on men as far as we know. > [@](#): > > Prior to menopause, say from age 40 to 55, women have a heightened response to andro mones and appreciate stronger doses. I’ve had several lovers in this range tell me how much they LOVE my “manly scent” when dosed with NPA at levels that would panic an 18 year old. I agree women in this age range can handle higher androgens better then the 18 to 30 year olds but there is still a threshold. If you are a young 20 something male you make a lot more androgens naturally then a older male. A middle aged male can get away with the heavier dose because of his age not his targets age. I have been around both younger males and middle aged males who have used high doses of androgens. A younger male wearing high anone puts him over the threshold. A middle aged man can get away with it because there natural levels are lower. High arone on the other hand on a young male speaks of maturity and confidence which pairs well with the naturally high anone signature. I find that more attractive on a younger male. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/6 "2013-04-23T03:51:05Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I read it but I am not post menopausal so I really couldn’t give a opinion on it. I know a few post menopausal women who use mones but they haven’t been exposed to mones on men as far as we know. > > I agree women in this age range can handle higher androgens better then the 18 to 30 year olds but there is still a threshold. If you are a young 20 something male you make a lot more androgens naturally then a older male. A middle aged male can get away with the heavier dose because of his age not his targets age. > > I have been around both younger males and middle aged males who have used high doses of androgens. > > A younger male wearing high anone puts him over the threshold. A middle aged man can get away with it because there natural levels are lower. > > High arone on the other hand on a young male speaks of maturity and confidence which pairs well with the naturally high anone signature. I find that more attractive on a younger male. > Tisha My testing environment, despite its shortcomings, has at least given me a chance to test -eNone on literally hundreds of women in ages from 21 to over 55. Not much with Asians, but a lot with all others. I find finding a spot between arousal/interest and OD difficult to detect. I’ve tested from .5 mcg to 20. I think I’m seeing an accurate IOI / arousal, but I’m not sure. I see behavior that looks like caffeine jitters in women, although older ones have far more self control. This looks like someone drank 24 oz. coffee and suddenly the bathroom urge hits them. If I increase -eNone beyond this, it leads to avoidance behavior. What am I seeing here, and am I being misled by what I see? -eNone OD seems to act a lot like [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), in that there’s a very precise range. Too much None acts almost exactly like excess P83…or am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 10:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/7 "2013-04-23T10:41:07Z")
Tisha, I have to disagree, in part, on that women’s tolerance and taste for androgens DO change with age in my experience. While the male’s production and aura do decline with age, women’s receptivity does increase. I’d link this to another age-correlated response in women - her ability to have orgasms. 40-something women are more likely to experience orgasm than 20-somethings. The evolutionary link might be declining fertility - older women have to try harder to get pregnant and to attract or retain a mate. To support your view, women tend to be attracted to males older than themselves, “cougars” not withstanding. Maybe a strong andro signature in an older man reinforces a woman’s predisposition to an older man. Still, I don’t see a way to prove which assertion is correct or if neither is. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/8 "2013-04-23T11:26:50Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > Tisha, > > I have to disagree, in part, on that women’s tolerance and taste for androgens DO change with age in my experience. While the male’s production and aura do decline with age, women’s receptivity does increase. > > I’d link this to another age-correlated response in women - her ability to have orgasms. 40-something women are more likely to experience orgasm than 20-somethings. > > The evolutionary link might be declining fertility - older women have to try harder to get pregnant and to attract or retain a mate. > > To support your view, women tend to be attracted to males older than themselves, “cougars” not withstanding. Maybe a strong andro signature in an older man reinforces a woman’s predisposition to an older man. > > Still, I don’t see a way to prove which assertion is correct or if neither is. I don’t think we are disagreeing LOL. I didn’t mean our tastes don’t change with age. All I am saying is that more is not always better on younger men whether they target young women or a more mature women. A lot depends on the dose that compliments your personal chemistry. I agree 40 something women can handle higher androgens better especially anone but there is still a point when it just turns us into bitches I think the ability for 40 something women to have easier orgasms has less to do with pheromones and hormones and more to do with becoming more comfortable with there sexuality as they age. That’s just my opinion. When I said “high arone speaks of maturity and experience” I wasn’t implying 40 something women are more attracted to older men. That’s just my personal experience from being exposed to men of various ages who use mones. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I’ve tested from .5 mcg to 20. I think I’m seeing an accurate IOI / arousal, but I’m not sure. I see behavior that looks like caffeine jitters in women, although older ones have far more self control. This looks like someone drank 24 oz. coffee and suddenly the bathroom urge hits them. If I increase -eNone beyond this, it leads to avoidance behavior. What am I seeing here, and am I being misled by what I see? -eNone OD seems to act a lot like P83, in that there’s a very precise range. Too much None acts almost exactly like excess P83…or am I mistaken? That jittery behavior your describing sounds like fidgeting to me but its hard to say without actually seeing it. Women fidget when they are aroused. The problem with anone beyond it making us bitchy and withdrawn when a male wears to much is it has little pull on its own. It makes us horny but without other mones to steer it, it wont necessarily make us horny for the wearer. So when your using an amount and you see the fidgets your on target you just need to use something to create pull unless you can create that pull on your own. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-women-pheremones/58804/9 "2013-04-24T13:59:12Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > That jittery behavior your describing sounds like fidgeting to me but its hard to say without actually seeing it. Women fidget when they are aroused. The problem with anone beyond it making us bitchy and withdrawn when a male wears to much is it has little pull on its own. It makes us horny but without other mones to steer it, it wont necessarily make us horny for the wearer. So when your using an amount and you see the fidgets your on target you just need to use something to create pull unless you can create that pull on your own. > Tisha I’ve been regularly testing 20 mcg -eNone and TAC, and I find nearly every woman over thirty is remarkably aroused by it, although some aren’t ones I’d ordinarily take interest in. No urine odor. I’d never have thought wearing that much None was possible. Goes against convention wisdom. I usually pair it with P75 so as not to provoke aggression. The 75 is trickier, and combining it with these others might be causing the jitters. I’m trying to work out a simplified/mutant ICM. Shows promise so far. But I think a mix with TAC and -eNone just by themselves could be awesome for all ages–you’d just have to alter ratios to targets. At least 10 mcg of each seems to be no problem at all for women over thirty…at least for Caucasians and blacks. I get the best hits from either very small amounts or really large amounts. The middle ground is a dud it seems. Really don’t know why. Two ICM had [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). Either TAC or 83, but not both together. I wonder why. P83 should be great for pull. I’d like an ICM mutant with four molecules. That could actually be a successful MX with p93 off the table, if it worked. Two mixes had equal parts TAC and None, and that pair seems to be a winner.