# Men: Help a lady out, won't ya? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 6, 2013, 11:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722 "2013-08-06T11:07:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/21 "2013-08-07T09:56:06Z")
“damn skippy, baby.” on both counts 😉 > [@sharkndragon](#): > > “You make me feel like a sticky pistil leaning into a stamen” > > Is that about right? Haha, subscribed. This guy’s in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 10:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/22 "2013-08-07T10:29:37Z")
**Whatever Lola Wants Fallout Mix: Draft 3** Enough IH to cause a riot P74 : 15mcg strength diffused across body for a total punch of 60mcg Betanol: 37.5mcg IShine: 3-4 sprays [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/): 20mcg strength diffused 60mcg with room for more A solid EOW hit diffused with perfume. Thank you, cops. Last pieces I need input on measuring in the mix: IS/a P97 ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/23 "2013-08-07T10:32:39Z")
You guys are amazing. Thanks, mobo for the great information. I srsly feel like I’m doing insider trading, haha. Knowing I’m walking in with an atom bomb helps! This guy is really an all around winner (kind, smart, driven…gets kittens out of trees and ridiculously hot in my eyes, claro). This is a lot of effort, but he’s worth it. Sincere thanks to y’all for helping me sort all of this out. > [@mobocaster](#): > > If you want to add the “dark fascination” or “witchy” vibe to a mix, consider some P97. I’ve had some interesting results from that paired with a sexual, again in a possibly unisex direction. Would be interesting to see what a woman makes of it. > > Put it another way, if im ever in a certain kind of “circle” again, I know what I’ll be wearing! > > And I don’t think the self effects of either IH, betanol or P74 will be any great problem for you. So long as you can keep your own counsel well and remain aware of the potential for letting things slip out. Neither are prone to the sort of stark responses you can get from none or cops. > > P83 - I’d suggest you go for the higher end of the dose range - 40mcg or over up to about 80mcg (it gets unproductive/veg-out over 100mcg) and similarly, a fair heft of IS, maybe 3-4 sprays initially but you could go a lot higher - again, I used to love my 4x IS when things turned sexy and playful! ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/24 "2013-08-07T13:07:38Z")
**Whatever Lola Wants Fallout Mix: Draft 3** Enough IH to cause a riot P74 : 15mcg strength diffused across body for a total punch of 60mcg Betanol: 37.5mcg IShine: 3-4 sprays [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) : 20mcg strength diffused 60mcg with room for more A solid EOW hit diffused with perfume. Thank you, cops. Last pieces I need input on measuring in the mix: IS/a P97 ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/25 "2013-08-07T13:29:42Z")
Speaking of copulins… here’s some Very interesting information I came across this morning while researching. Pay particularly close attention to #3 🆒 Here’s the full Site **How are copulins transmitted?** There are two ways copulins can transmit from female to male: through the air, and by direct genital contact. copulins and their “support” fluids are produced in the vaginal walls, and a small amount of copulins exists at all times within the vagina, usually near the opening. When a woman breathes, the movement causes minute amounts of copulins to become airborne. If she is stationary for an extended period of time, the copulins will eventually exist in the air around her; however, it appears to take some time for copulins to escape clothing fabric and actually become airborne. Like [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), airborne copulins are transmitted from female to male via the male’s VNO organ inside the nasal cavity. **Effect of copulins on the Male subconscious:** When copulins are present within the male hypothalamus, many changes occur. 1. Copulins “disguise” themselves as the male’s polypeptides, which are neurotransmitters–the link of communication between the hypothalamus and the rest of the brain and body. Because copulins are more “aggressive” than polypeptides, they easily supplant the host’s neurotransmitters. Moreover, copulins appear to be addictive. 2. By controlling the hypothalamus’ communication link with the rest of the body, it also can access the nearby limbic system, which is the brain’s center for the retaining of memories. The copulins shut off the link to the limbic system, thereby preventing any current activity from being remembered. The male will have hazy memories of well-being, but cannot remember anything while the limbic system is not communicating. 3. Now here is the process that is still not fully understood: Once the copulins have replaced the polypeptides, _the sensory input of the male is controlled._ Although the male can receive any normal sensory input (sight, smells, auditory, etc.), the female can vocally change what the male perceives and/or remembers. Research has demonstrated that only the voice of the female who produced the copulins can have any effect. Males shut out all other voices and did not respond to other females’ voices in the lab, nor voices from a speaker. How the hypothalamus is caused to filter all but a single voice is what is not understood. _During this time, the female can vocally do the following: A) Change, remove, or insert memories. B) Tell the male what he sees, hears, feels, smells, tastes. C) Insert subconscious thoughts that will surface as male “ideas” or behavior later. D) Plant trigger words or actions that can cause thoughts, actions, or sensations in the male at later dates (days, weeks, even months)._ ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/26 "2013-08-07T14:21:18Z")
Do you have a link to the full article? Fascinating. I’d love to read more. If cops pack that much of a punch…how is this even legal? lol This is some jedi stuff. No, strike that, it’s straight up Bruce Almighty. [Bruce Almighty - I’ve Got the Power - YouTube](http://youtu.be/U7dOktp1iUg?t=6s) Love it. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/27 "2013-08-07T14:23:49Z")
Thought you might. 😉 Here’s the Site. ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/28 "2013-08-08T06:14:39Z")
haha, I must be doing something different because just in the time since I opened this thread he’s been talking to me like crazy. maybe it’s the buried, subsconscious Ms. Jolie in me coming out with the knowledge that i’m about to launch a full on olfactory assault? he’s sending photos of his new car, a few ‘conveniently’ topless shots, asking random questions through the day and even a few txts during his lunch break…he _NEVER_ hits me up while he’s working. our phone conversations have gotten a little more tawdry/teasing but i’m not trying to lead him on with that aspect since i’m not available for hooking up at this stage in the game…so, keeping it to a dull roar. anyhow, attention from his end has gone way up in the last few days. trying to play it cool and be accessible but not available…y’know? t-minus 20ish days until the visit. placing my mones order when i get my paycheck next week. my, oh my. ps gratzie to the max to whoever nominated my thread. totally blushed and grinned when i saw that this morning! ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/29 "2013-08-08T06:30:13Z")
Playing it cool and accessible but not available is magnetic all on its own. But, you know that already, otherwise you wouldn’t be trying so hard to maintain that vibe! For me, the best thing a woman could do in your position would be to ensure I’m aware that she’s still attracted and interested, yet still playing it down. If I ever got the notion that the interest wasn’t there anymore, I’d quickly lose steam, or worse, I’d become a needy, achy mess… which isn’t pretty 😉 So what’s your final shopping cart look like? ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/30 "2013-08-08T06:44:16Z")
It’s looking like: IH, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), Betanol, IShine, P83, IS/a, p97 then EOW + the legendary Pink Sugar perfume, but of course lol ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/31 "2013-08-08T07:18:31Z")
One hell of a sophisticated Mix, but well thought out. ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 11:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/32 "2013-08-08T11:10:42Z")
TBH I feel a bit like the 8th grade science fair champ trying to understand NASA launch codes…but it’s worth taking the plunge! I don’t have any other targets, so I’ll just do general social testing with everything on my list except the cops for a week or so before my trip. Make sure nothing smells like rabbit piss on me, etc 🙂 > [@sharkndragon](#): > > One hell of a sophisticated Mix, but well thought out. ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/33 "2013-08-08T15:49:52Z")
What exactly do you want when you say commitment? Did you communicate that you need it to continue seeing him? ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/34 "2013-08-08T16:50:44Z")
Spot on question, John… What I mean is that I’m very interested in this dude becoming my boyfriend and I’m not interested in having sex with him again outside of a clearly established relationship. Even though the sex is badass and fun. We have all the ingredients for a relationship, but he’s not made a move to call it that yet and yes, he knows my thoughts on all of this. I don’t think it’s fair on my end to ask for some grand decision on his part the second he gets back into the country…so in the interest of being chill/staying in touch with reality I’m taking this visit as just an opportunity to hang out and be in eachother’s presence. No pressure…but no sex, either lol. We’ve been great friends for 4 years, in this really weird sexual/flirty limbo for 2 years. It’s time to put up or shut up. He knows it, too. So, I want to visit looking my absolute best, with a carefree attitude, mones in pocket and just…see what happens. Maybe nothing happens (we laugh. catch up on stories. then i go home. bummer, but I’ll get over it) Or maybe exactly what I’m hoping for (he looks at me and says “so…whaddya think about us giving this a shot for real?”. Ah, I’d love that.) I’ve just made up in my own mind that I’m going to stop looking at him with romantic potential if he doesn’t step it up. Nothing dramatic at all, I’ll just silently move on in my heart and let this go. I always have him/us in the back of my mind and if he’s stupid enough to let me get away without locking it down…clearly it will be time to move on to more enlightened fellas, no? 😉 Great question. Keepin’ it real is important. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/35 "2013-08-08T17:39:34Z")
Having been in this guys position before (somewhat), just recently, actually, I feel inclined to warn you that it may take something dramatic for him to come to the realization you want him to discover. If he continues to think that things can remain as-is without having to make any changes, then there’s a good possibility he won’t change. Verbal reminders are a step in the right direction, but maybe when the idea of losing everything he has with you becomes a reality, he’ll finally see the bigger picture. Change is hard, and it often takes hard lessons to foster that change. I took too much time making the necessary changes, and it cost me the Love of my life. I don’t regret anything about our time together, except not doing what I had to do soon enough. PS: self reflection moment. This whole post could be the result of the IH ive been wearing all evening…hmmm… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/36 "2013-08-09T02:27:31Z")
> [@bombshelltraining](#): > > What I mean is that I’m very interested in this dude becoming my boyfriend and I’m not interested in having sex with him again outside of a clearly established relationship. Even though the sex is badass and fun. A lot of relationships do start from random badass sex though - especially with the sense of closeness, sharing and bonding you are promoting with the IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) combo. And for many guys, a woman who is actually their best friend as well as an exciting partner is the key factor behind getting into a relationship. Just never let the “friend” side overpower the sexual tension. In this case, its just the same for both sexes! ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/37 "2013-08-09T04:59:27Z")
> [@](#): > > We have all the ingredients for a relationship, but he’s not made a move to call it that yet and yes, he knows my thoughts on all of this. For you the label you give to something seems to be important. There are plenty of people for whom the way one interacts with each other is much more central than the label. The guy could think: She wants a relationship with me, so I make up more time for her. I moved to be near her. I’m going to spend a lot of time with her. He might not know that for you being in a relationship starts with the guy asking the girl to try it for real. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/38 "2013-08-09T05:09:33Z")
That’s a good point, John. It may just be a matter of telling him: “Hey, I see the effort you’re making to show me you want to be with me, but I need to hear it. I need you to verbally acknowledge that we’re going to give this a go” Then he might do a face-palm and say “Heck Yes!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bombshelltraining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@bombshelltraining](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bombshelltraining)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/39 "2013-08-09T06:14:48Z")
John: Wish I could take credit for being the draw to him coming/staying back home, but that’s all between him and his family. They would’ve murdered him if he’d come back stateside and didn’t live near them for a bit. I had absolutey no pull in that decision, sadly lol Shark: I’m definitely stoked that we’re talking so much and he’s asked me to come spend time with him…but I’m being really careful not to put the emotional cart before the horse. Girls are notorious for this, I hear 😉 A few weeks ago, he was telling me how he realized he was closer to ready for a relationship but still scared of being vulnerable to someone. He followed it up by telling me how important I am to him and asking me if “I ever gave the idea of us any thought”. I let him ramble for a bit and then asked him, point blank “You know I’m crazy about you. Do you want to be with me?” He replies “That’s a really complicated question.” …dude, wtf. No, it’s not. Lol. So, what I have on my hands is a well-intentioned man who is more than a FWB but less than clearly pursuing me for a relationship. I’d be with him in a heartbeat and I know that he’s not running general game on me so I’m open to coming to visit and just…letting him talk. Or not talk. Whatever. Having been on both sides of this dynamic in the past, I know the best thing I can do is make him feel good, look great and keep my mouth shut. Just let it unfold. If he wants to be with me, he will let me know. We might just go hiking, see a few bands, high five and I’ll go back home. For all the advantages of being a chick, needing to wait on men to make a move so sucks! If he’s got his shit together enough and wants me enough to have a for-real relationship I’ll be super happy. If not, I will take my bustier and fallout mix down the road to wait for the next worthy candidate. Either way, the hard part will be keeping my pants on at all costs (!!) because sleeping with him will make me clingy and mushy and wanting emotional reassurance…agh, no. Way too complicated lol. My goal is to be semi-irresitible and have a good time with someone I really enjoy. From there, just let it go and see what happens. Hopefully these pockets of trust, chemistry and emotion bubbling between us for so long will be set on fire by the mones. For me, it’s so important to feel like I’m the woman he chose and pursued…not the girl who talked him into getting over his issues. I want to give him a hundred reasons to get more involved in my life but I’m not gonna ask him to want me. Make sense? In more fitting news, is it evil that I’m little-kid-at-Christmas excited to see what happens when I baptize this poor boy in IH + cops? It’s nearly devious and unfair, hahah. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/40 "2013-08-09T06:29:44Z")
Eh, the line between good and evil is often quite blurred, i’ve found… You definitely have your wits about you, and you seem to be doing a tremendous job prioritizing exactly what it is you need to do to get a straight answer from this guy. Which, btw, CAN BE complicated. Never assume the answer is always black and white. You’re not trying to push him to a commitment, you’re just trying to push him to an open and honest answer once and for all…and that’s respectable. If he’s scared of being vulnerable to someone, the best thing you can do is continue on your current path. Keep being the friend and companion you seem to be so good at, prove to him how valuable his attention and affection are, and don’t leave him high and dry if he shows a little hesitation. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722.md?page=3)