# methoxy. and estrateraenol **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 10, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97 "2006-01-10T20:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CharmedLife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/96bed5/32.png) [@CharmedLife](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CharmedLife)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/1 "2006-01-10T20:58:54Z")
What are the key differences between the effects of estratraenol and methoxyest. on men, when either is worn by women? I’m a bit foggy on how the effects of each differ. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/2 "2006-01-10T22:57:12Z")
we only know a small part of the picture for now Estratetraenol make me, a male, cross eyed giddy with interest in females. OL indicates a hydroxyl group, and male attractant [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) appear to have the -oh in a key position. In androstenOL this can be shifted to an alpha or beta orientation which have distinct differences in their social effects. Don’t know if estratetraenol allow the alpha/beta positional options. The -ONE indicates a single oxygen in the same position. MEO-Estratetraenone is an pheromonal oddball, becuse it begins with a potent female pheromone and modifies it to a “male” form. I do not experience any of the pure eroto-romantic mental rearrangement with MEO-EST, taken alone is feels like it is calmative and centering (in this one male sample), however, with TAF, when I added it to a standard high dose sexmix (something you would intentionally apply about 5 minutes before having sex with the idea of having really good sex) it seemed distinctly erotic… MEO-EST must be an accessory pheromone that combines with others to trigger something significant. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/3 "2006-01-11T00:37:19Z")
> [@](#): > > I do not experience any of the pure eroto-romantic mental rearrangement with MEO-EST, taken alone is feels like it is calmative and centering (in this one male sample), however, with TAF, when I added it to a standard high dose sexmix (something you would intentionally apply about 5 minutes before having sex with the idea of having really good sex) it seemed distinctly erotic… MEO-EST must be an accessory pheromone that combines with others to trigger something significant. Based on some of my tests with Methoxyest- paired with things like TAF or TAL, I want to say the same thing. Well, the “trigger something significant” part, anyway. If you keep up with my [blog](http://pilot.pheromoneblogs.com)I’ve been testing and posting a bit on my experiences with Methoxy- (I guess we’re callig it MEO-EST now). Trying to wrap my head around it for daily wear. It consistently gives me this really gutteral feeling in my chest and intestines. _Real_ intense butterflies in stomach. > [@](#): > > OL indicates a hydroxyl group, and male attractant pheromones appear to have the -oh in a key position. In androstenOL this can be shifted to an alpha or beta orientation which have distinct differences in their social effects. Don’t know if estratetraenol allow the alpha/beta positional options. > > The -ONE indicates a single oxygen in the same position. MEO-Estratetraenone is an pheromonal oddball, becuse it begins with a potent female pheromone and modifies it to a “male” form. Hey Tacitus, thanks for all the extra info on the MEO-EST molecule structure. 🙄🆒😛 ---
**Author:** ![IceHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@IceHawk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/IceHawk)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/4 "2006-01-11T02:55:01Z")
So what is the Meo-Est target group? To be worn by males of females? And could you describe the ‘gutteral feelings’? Are they uncomfortable, or unsetteling? Do they throw off your concentration? Anything like that? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/5 "2006-01-11T03:46:16Z")
> [@Icy](#): > > So what is the Meo-Est target group? To be worn by males of females? No idea yet! It’s still so new that we all gotta test to see what works. I hate having to “feel out” this territory without a map, you know? > [@Icy](#): > > And could you describe the ‘gutteral feelings’? Are they uncomfortable, or unsetteling? Do they throw off your concentration? Anything like that? No, its more like a **super** intense butterflies in the stomach. Like the feeling a bar before your solo in the 3rd grade Christmas pageant and you realize that you’re on in less than 30 seconds. Its not necessarily bad or good, its just INTENSE! And _weirddd_. At least for me, anyway — _you_ could have a completely differnet feeling while wearing. I know Tacitus explained a sort of calm. Seek out his ponderous posts about it. Also, I think it played a part in one of my mixes that ramped up my sex drive… In conjunction with a few other things, of course. But my sex drive has been increased the days I’ve worn it, soooo. Scratchin’ my head. It’s just been tough for me to get my head around it. Other molecules I’ve tested (like TAL and TAH for example) have been totally obvious in what they do, like they _want_ me to know what their function is. Meo-est isn’t as clear cut. More mysterious. Like its playing around with me and seducing me and making me feel all silly. Seriously, sometimes when I wear it it feels a crush. Butterflies in stomach. Spontaneous sex drive spike. You know? Maybe that’s it! Methoxy- is the "crush"mone. Don’t know. It’s a stretch. Just me playing around with ideas, here. Don’t take it as rhetoric. I’ve still got tons of testing to do before I can figure it out. I’ve been doing a lot of tests at 50 mcg. I don’t know! Fries my brain just thinking about it! I’ve made a couple posts in my [pheroblog](http://pilot.pheromoneblogs.com)documenting my methoxyestratetraenone adventures if you’re curious. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 7:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/6 "2006-01-11T07:45:38Z")
This Meo-Est sounds very interesting. Great work Jasmin and Tacitus! So many new mones, so little time…😃 I would LOVE to see what this does for a male when used on a consistent basis. Would it make the women around him horny without the problems associated with wearing -None 🆒 ? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![IceHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@IceHawk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/IceHawk)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/7 "2006-01-13T15:25:44Z")
Maybe thats it. Calming effect on males. Butterflies/ dirty thoughts in women? kinda like the old NPA maybe, but at least based on Jasmin’s responses, much stronger. More testing in order I guess. ---
**Author:** ![IceHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@IceHawk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/IceHawk)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/8 "2006-01-18T04:26:50Z")
Alright one more question to Jasmin. Are the meth-est effects cycle dependant? Ie women seem to love none around midcycle but near their period seem to hate it with an intense passion.😕 Any simmilar effects observed with that? Im probably gonna test it out on my current GF, but dont want the none related fatalities to occur.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/9 "2006-01-18T07:27:23Z")
> [@IceHawk](#): > > Alright one more question to Jasmin. Are the meth-est effects cycle dependant? Ie women seem to love none around midcycle but near their period seem to hate it with an intense passion.😕 Any simmilar effects observed with that? Im probably gonna test it out on my current GF, but dont want the none related fatalities to occur.😃 Icehawk I am looking forward to a full report of what Meth-est does to the ladies 😃 … Remember to use it with a bit of TAF or TAL or whatever is said to be the intensifying mone for this according to Jasmin and Tacitus… And please dont just test it on your girlfriend but other women as well… Anyone else with any Meth-est experiences… This horndog is certainly hoping so 😉 . Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2006, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/10 "2006-01-24T10:26:00Z")
Bumpity… Anyone playing with Meo-Est ? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/11 "2006-01-24T15:33:04Z")
Have you tested Meo-Est Visionary? If so, what were your results? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/12 "2006-01-24T19:46:46Z")
more meo-est put to the test tried a simple mix, meo-est and a dash of TAF in a nice cologne base, creed’s Santal Imperial combined with artisan’s Navegar… tasteful, understated, sexy… The night before had tried meo-est and TAF in the sexmix, found it a touch distracting, so yesterday it was a pure meo-est and TAF run… In me, middle aged guy, the meo-est is consistently deep and philosophic. Like my internal center of gravity had lowered by 10%, less pulled in by trivial things… went to the doctor.. he found himself on a philospohic tangent while his nurse kept bugging him to stay focused in the injection… There is serious geezer energy here. The TAF adds in a crisp sharpness, up and on the game… later that evening I’m drifting off to sleep and feel this great sense of density, my astral body weighs hundreds of pounds.. Today there is the residual that has evapoated off of me and onto my tee shirt and sweatshirt that I haven’t changed in 48 hours. Women seem a little more playful, more turned on, in their bodies insead of in their heads, even the serious corporate types… This meo-est is a hard to define agent, it brings out different things in different people, it can be intoverted and moody, subtly erotic, thoughful, a “dark amber” mental note. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/13 "2006-01-24T21:52:25Z")
tacitus, when you ordered your bottle of meo-est, what dosage did you order? ---
**Author:** ![burgerama1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@burgerama1960](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/burgerama1960)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/14 "2006-02-03T22:29:17Z")
Do you think meo-est could be the female version of A1? ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/15 "2006-02-03T22:55:54Z")
> [@burgerama1960](#): > > Do you think meo-est could be the female version of A1? It is not really known yet, thats the reason it is an experimental pheremone. Well you can read some of the threads on Meo-est, though it seems like more people need to post experiences on it. I do not have any of it.. I just have TAA experimone, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, and Instant Female Magic. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/16 "2006-02-04T01:03:50Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > This meo-est is a hard to define agent, it brings out different things in different people, it can be intoverted and moody, subtly erotic, thoughful, a “dark amber” mental note. Jasmin and Icehawk how are your testing experiences going with this ‘hard to define agent’… Visionary ---
**Author:** ![burgerama1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@burgerama1960](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/burgerama1960)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/17 "2006-02-04T21:49:43Z")
I also find it very interesting that jasmine found meo-est increase her libido. So I think if this is true then us guys should be able to incorporate this into our mixes! I would think it would go good in sex mixes then. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/18 "2006-02-07T02:06:21Z")
You should probably test it and find out the truth for yourself before incorporating anything. Testimonials are great, but there are just not enough to know for sure if the meo-est does this consistently. ---
**Author:** ![burgerama1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@burgerama1960](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/burgerama1960)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/19 "2006-02-07T03:49:53Z")
Rob you are right. I guess I was speculating out loud through my fingers. And that can be dangerous on these types of forums. ---
**Author:** ![jess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@jess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jess)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2006, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/20 "2006-02-17T01:46:42Z")
Any news on this ? Im just starting to grasp it all and this sounds promising. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97.md?page=2)