# Mind Machines and Pheromone enduced trance **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [March 8, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406 "2007-03-08T01:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/1 "2007-03-08T01:16:54Z")
I know some of you are into meditation so I am wondering if anyone here is also into mind machines (sound/light). I was a participant in the Princeton University research project some years ago. I have used them ever since. Wondering what type of pheromones you might use with them to garner what results. My current pheromone collection includes: Instant Shine Instant Honesty Instant Openness [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) Turn Up The Heat A314 Spaceland TAH (20 mcg) TAL (5 mcg) TAF (15 mcg) P79 (20 mcg) P83 (12.5 mcg) P84 (12.5 mcg) P88 (12.5 mcg) P93 (12.5 mcg) MX148 -152 Plus I have a couple others I am not allowed to discuss as per Jasmin. Has anyone used any of these combined with a mind machine? ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/2 "2007-03-08T01:55:10Z")
Spaceland has been used for meditation by some. Jasmin mentioned it in a phone conversation backin the day, and on the forum. ---
**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 9:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/3 "2007-03-08T09:06:56Z")
I know they made some superstrong beta-nol for someone to meditate with and MHarris mentioned that at strong doses it has altered states effects ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/4 "2007-03-08T14:32:38Z")
> [@thr3shold](#): > > I know they made some superstrong beta-Androstenol for someone to meditate with and MHarris mentioned that at strong doses it has altered states effects I remember that too! I had found some old posts on it, but not sure I’d be willing to pay what I suspect it would cost. I am hoping I could use what I have. I do plan on experimenting, but that can lead to less than desirable affects especially using mind machines. I guess I’ll have to try it with standard meditation first and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 1:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/5 "2007-03-09T13:01:49Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > I know some of you are into meditation so I am wondering if anyone here is also into mind machines (sound/light). I was a participant in the Princeton University research project some years ago. I have used them ever since. > > Wondering what type of pheromones you might use with them to garner what results. > > My current pheromone collection includes: > > Instant Shine > Instant Honesty > Instant Openness > Instant Female Magic > Turn Up The Heat > A314 > Spaceland > TAH (20 mcg) > TAL (5 mcg) > TAF (15 mcg) > P79 (20 mcg) > P83 (12.5 mcg) > P84 (12.5 mcg) > P88 (12.5 mcg) > P93 (12.5 mcg) > MX148 -152 > > Plus I have a couple others I am not allowed to discuss as per Jasmin. > > Has anyone used any of these combined with a mind machine? EST and/or TAH def seem to increase inter-hemisphere communications which works will with the appropriate settings on the machine. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/6 "2007-03-09T14:18:35Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > EST and/or TAH def seem to increase inter-hemisphere communications which works will with the appropriate settings on the machine. Specifically you can notice this by listening to a binaural tape and applying EST mid-listen. I think massage, mind machines, mones and hypnosis would go together quite well though I have yet to try. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/7 "2007-03-09T15:17:38Z")
Thanks PQ, I already have TAH on the way so I will test with that aand see what happens. I’ll be sure to post my results. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/8 "2007-03-09T16:42:21Z")
Just had a chakra balancing session (begins with guided meditation). EST + TAH + betanol + Androstadienone (latter for practitioner) = intense. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/9 "2007-03-09T17:03:36Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Just had a chakra balancing session (begins with guided meditation). EST + TAH + betanol + Androstadienone (latter for practitioner) = intense. I really tried meditation for many years and I never seem to have accomplished any altered state. A friend, a Princeton professor, was experimenting with sound/light back before anything was ever done on it. He knew I had tried and hooked me up to some machines that measure Theta, Alpha, Beta patterns and after 1 hour meditation my brain activity was very close to normal. Then I tried the machine: At that time it was a BIG machine with a separate console room. Within mere minutes I was induced in a deep trance and used them ever since. I have to order some more stuff it looks like, and here I though i had some pretty good supplies.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/10 "2007-03-09T19:51:05Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > I really tried meditation for many years and I never seem to have accomplished any altered state. Have you tried guided meditation? I guess it is possible a CD might turn out to be almost as good - I don’t know how important the presence and energy of the practitioner might turn out to be. Also, involving the body in some way - whether massage or rocking/whirling like the sufis do. Also, I wonder once certain states become habitually accessessed whether one will be more easily able to reach them without any assistance. Do you reach altered states from listening to music eg deep house/trance or certain kinds of percussion? I do, quite easily, but haven’t tried to do anything with such states. Lloyd Glauberman - who I think was an amateur drummer - uses that quite effectively in some of his hypnosis CDs, both to help enter the trance and as a motif when talking about patterns in one’s life. (Oh and I second tacitus in suggesting you check his work out when time). ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/11 "2007-03-09T19:56:43Z")
Take a look at some of the posts by itwo - they are all worth reading, but he had some interesting/unusual stuff on meditation if I recall correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/12 "2007-03-09T20:06:11Z")
Quirk, have you used Glauberman’s Resilience CD? That’s one I think tacitus recommended highly and I’ve been eyeing it … do you have any specific recs/reviews of his offerings? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/13 "2007-03-09T20:53:16Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Have you tried guided meditation? I guess it is possible a CD might turn out to be almost as good - I don’t know how important the presence and energy of the practitioner might turn out to be. Also, involving the body in some way - whether massage or rocking/whirling like the sufis do. > > Also, I wonder once certain states become habitually accessessed whether one will be more easily able to reach them without any assistance. > > Do you reach altered states from listening to music eg deep house/trance or certain kinds of percussion? I do, quite easily, but haven’t tried to do anything with such states. Lloyd Glauberman - who I think was an amateur drummer - uses that quite effectively in some of his hypnosis CDs, both to help enter the trance and as a motif when talking about patterns in one’s life. > (Oh and I second tacitus in suggesting you check his work out when time). I’ve tried guided with CD’s many a time. I still, (mental block) cannot seem to induce trance unless I’m wired up to my machine. The closest I can come to trance without the machine is through an old Mickey Hart (grateful Dead) tribal drum CD that is used predominetly for trance. I’ll be looking into Lloyd’s stuff! Thank you ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/14 "2007-03-09T21:07:20Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Have you tried guided meditation? I guess it is possible a CD might turn out to be almost as good - I don’t know how important the presence and energy of the practitioner might turn out to be. Also, involving the body in some way - whether massage or rocking/whirling like the sufis do. > > Also, I wonder once certain states become habitually accessessed whether one will be more easily able to reach them without any assistance. > > Do you reach altered states from listening to music eg deep house/trance or certain kinds of percussion? I do, quite easily, but haven’t tried to do anything with such states. Lloyd Glauberman - who I think was an amateur drummer - uses that quite effectively in some of his hypnosis CDs, both to help enter the trance and as a motif when talking about patterns in one’s life. > (Oh and I second tacitus in suggesting you check his work out when time). You know when I read this I was thinking I recognized the name: Lloyd. Wouldn’t you believe it as soon as I posted I checked my mail and I just got a CD by Lloyd: HPP! I forgot I had even ordered it with my last Bi-naural CD order. Unbelievable 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/15 "2007-03-10T00:48:11Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > Quirk, have you used Glauberman’s Resilience CD? That’s one I think tacitus recommended highly and I’ve been eyeing it … do you have any specific recs/reviews of his offerings? Yes - and it’s really charming and fun to listen to. The problem is that I have been working on myself so much since November that it is hard to know what to attribute to what. [The rolfing was definitely a big piece of that, by the way - so thank you]. I feel like the Glauberman stuff has led to a significant change in core beliefs and behaviour, but I would be hard pressed to justify that. Glauberman’s stuff is pirated on the torrents - I don’t advocate that at all, and I bought most of of the titles available for download from [mindperk.com](http://mindperk.com) (I have enough for like daily listening for the next year or so 😉 but if you want to try first, it’s possible that might work. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mind-machines-and-pheromone-enduced-trance/2406/16 "2007-03-10T00:53:36Z")
[HPPforums.com :: Index](http://www.hppforums.com) and google his name to find a couple of interesting interviews with the guy. his work is very well done - listening to it has something of the enjoyment of putting on a well-crafted pair of shoes.