# Miracle in the bottle! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 17, 2007, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078 "2007-02-17T05:44:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/1 "2007-02-17T05:44:39Z")
I don’t know but when I first ordered my [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) I was very doubtful they would do anything other than a smile if even that. I wasn’t expecting a miracle, or for that matter I was skeptical they would even work. I had bought some stuff on eBay once and it came in a cobalt blue bottle, (not the Androtics type) and it smelled really bad. I asked the seller whether it was supposed to and he said that the smell is completely different to women. I had to really think about it and I came to the conclusion that it was possible. After a long workout at the gym I don’t believe that I smell, but a former lover of mine told me I did. Perhaps my eBay bought pheromones would work for me after all. I was so excited that I was going to go out and have women throwing themselves at me with uncontrollable lust. I sprayed myself with the pheromones expecting my miracle in a bottle. (I still have the bottle, it’s almost full, but there is no label) I went out and I had some strange reactions (not knowing what to look for) like anger, aggressiveness, and even a few smiles. The ones who were aggressive seemed to be turned away by my smell. The two or so women who smiled at me probably liked the scent. I’m sure I can figure out what type of pheromones they were from the reaction knowing now what I do. The point though is there were certain I didn’t understand. I thought I would be able to spray sex appeal from a bottle. The scent might have been sex appeal and I will attempt to wear it again, but my problem was that I had no concept of what sex appeal was. I wasn’t congruent to the pheromone signature, therefore the results I expected never materialized. Imagine the garbage man collecting trash with some Stacy Adams shoes, Armani suit, Oakley sunglasses, a diamond earring, while toting around a prospectus to a mutual fund. He might be dressed successfully, but his appearance would not fit what he was. (No disrespect, just an example) It would be the same as me (at the time 315 lbs on a 5’8" frame) walking around in old clothes, no self-respect, no dignity believing I had sex appeal. It doesn’t work folks. You hear it many times from most of the experienced users: your pheromone signature has to be who you are. They are not saying A314 is the James Bond type aura just to save the stuff for themselves. They are saying it because they want you to understand the power of pheromones and how to use them. I myself find it difficult to wear A314 in the proper setting. I realize when to wear things to get the most out of the signature. I read some posts that suggest wearing it to interviews (again just an example), but this to me also has to have a perspective. Would I wear A314 if I was a kid, or acted like one to an interview where my pheromone signature might intimidate the interviewer? This would surely create tension between myself and the person interviewing thus hindering my opportunity It’s the same thing as an 18 year old, not an Alpha, wearing it to school. The signature would not fit the profile and the pheromones would be wasted or worse, you could find yourself in a bad situation. We talk about results where the user without experience, needs to understand my results, will be completely different from yours. There might be similar effects, but never will your results be the same. It is even possible to experience completely opposite results using the same product the next day. Why does this happen? That is a question that has many, many layers. One night I might go out feeling great, like I am the man and have excellent results. The next night I wear the same mix, but the situation itself is different. While wearing sexual pheromones you might encounter a situation where there is a much bigger Alpha male, and find his aggression towards YOU intimidating. Your Alpha pheromone signature is now not congruent with your body language. Body chemistry, attitude, surroundings, there are many variables to pheromone signatures. I wonder how many of you when you say nothing happened while wearing this stuff, even knew what to look for? Were you expecting the HB9 to rip her clothes off and jump you? How many have read my post [pretty cool results so far](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pretty-cool-results-so-far/1880), and said if I try that I’ll get the same results? If you answered yes to any of these questions you are in for a let down. You have to put things into perspective. If you are anything like I have never had an HB9 jump me just because I walked by, have you? It has never happened and never will. Whenever I see a girl I have to work hard at achieving the result I desire. I do this through observation of body language, and my skill I learned from the Mystery Method and David DeAngelo. (MM is awesome). I work hard to get what I want. There are NO people on this planet who have not worked hard and are satisfied. Do you think Paris Hilton is satisfied? If she was she wouldn’t do the things she does. The recent death of Anna Nicole Smith should be proof enough. Results are a reaction to some type of action. What type of action have you taken to get the results? I question motives if you don’t see any results from pheromones, because the results you seek would have materialized if you harvested them. Pheromones are like planting seeds on a farm. You have to till the earth, plant the seeds, water them, and keep the disease, insects, rodents away. Then after all the hard work you need to harvest your fruit. Did you think it would end there? Now you have this beautiful fruit that is the sweetest, best looking in the entire world. The problem is the guy (SteveO) on the next farm over has the sweetest, best looking fruit too. SteveO takes his over to the market. He gives out samples, explains the growing process and sells his fruit as the best. (Damn that SteveO) SteveO now has a shelf in the market while your fruit spoils. My good forum friends it is the same concept with pheromones. You can’t expect results without putting in the effort to obtain them. When you are watching for body language do you even know what to look for? Again I think you are looking for signs that are not there. Women are refined and unlike men can control their impulses. Especially when those impulses are not congruent with the man they are looking at. If I have sex on my brain and the girl in front of me is not to my standards I say to myself: this doesn’t calculate, I’m not attracted to her. There is a girl at work who does not take care of herself. She is 400 lbs and not attractive to me. She is a very nice person and I get along with her well. I share stories about how I lost 115 lbs to try and inspire her. If she had bathed in pheromones would I be attracted to her? NO! It would not compute in my brain and the attraction I felt would be me believing she is a lovely girl who has so much intellect to offer and I hope she decides to win her battle with obesity. I am very good at watching for tiny little signals of body movements that mean so much. These are lost in my posts because I don’t explain how I take action to get the results. When a lady has her legs crossed and her foot pointed at you, that is a sign she is interested. Blinking is a sign, arms crossed, legs crossed away from you, arms and legs crossed, facial expressions, body posture, every single move the human body can make is a signal of a persons interest in you. I highly recommend getting a book and studying body language or you will miss it. I continue to read posts about not noticing anything, so I will repeat: Every single movement of the human body has a meaning. If you are too busy watching for obvious things like the HB9 rubbing her hands down her pants you will most likely miss the slight movement of her thighs together, or her deep breathing, twirling her hair, how many times she blinks, maybe even the lean a slight bit closer to invade your space. The thing is every one of those movements can be calculated in fractions of inches so while your busy looking for things that are not happening you miss the things that did happen. I love the posts where new pheromone users say that nobody bothered talking to them. That’s the funniest thing. Try this experiment tomorrow: Not wearing any pheromones go to a public place and don’t say a word to anyone and see how many people you can get to talk to you just cause you’re there. I doubt it will be very many if any. If you want a conversation, start one or you’re going to be a pretty lonely guy with a big supply of hand lotion. If you’re a shy guy and wear pheromones around your friends and nothing different happens it shouldn’t be a surprise. Your friends know who you naturally are. You have to build your signature into yourself. You create your personality. I suggest you try pheromones on people you don’t know so you can get an unbiased opinion. Can you grow into your pheromones? That’s the beauty of them! You, my good forum friend can be anybody you want to be and the pheromones will help you personify that signature that you are going to present. Be the man you want to be while wearing the pheromones and the results will present themselves. Don’t go out looking for the miracle, go out and create the miracle. Sorry about the long rant, but my date flaked on me so I was bored and felt this needed to be said. SteveO (pherojunky) ---
**Author:** ![BlazingAzn88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/49beb7/32.png) [@BlazingAzn88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BlazingAzn88)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 6:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/2 "2007-02-17T06:00:19Z")
Excellent post. Rep points for you ---
**Author:** ![Thalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f475e1/32.png) [@Thalion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thalion)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/3 "2007-02-17T06:45:47Z")
Excellent post. Puts things into perspective for me. Every new user should read this. ---
**Author:** ![xJCx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a9a28c/32.png) [@xJCx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xJCx)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/4 "2007-02-17T06:51:04Z")
Best post I have seen in here. Its like they say, first be satisfied with yourself before others will see you in that light. ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/5 "2007-02-17T07:05:15Z")
Amazing post, lot’s of thought, depth and perspective was in this post and I think it helps so much as an all in one post to take notes from and get advise from! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 7:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/6 "2007-02-17T07:33:46Z")
What was the point of this post? It sounds like you are saying pheremones totally work and anyone who thinks otherwise just isn’t picking up on the incredibly subtle signs of their effect, except that of course they don’t work on anyone who knows you and they won’t help you be something that you aren’t already. (For most people that would be the definition of not working.) I also find it offensive that the only explanation you can find for someone not noticing results with pheromones is that they are not a good enough observer. I’m glad you are accomplished at observing details and nuances of behavior, but don’t think for a second you are the only one with this ability. Don’t give me the “I know pheremones work so if you can’t see it you must be blind” excuse because you’ve just listed a bunch of ways/reasons pheremones don’t work, plus there’s also issues of how they are applied, in what doses, in what mixtures, how long and in what environment other people come into contact with them, what your natural pheremone signature is like, what your natural personality and body language are like, etc., etc. If you want to “question motives if you don’t see any results from pheromones” go ahead, but please keep it to yourself. This forum is a place to be helpful, not for attacks on people’s character. ---
**Author:** ![HeinzHummer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/heinzhummer/32/941_2.png) [@HeinzHummer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HeinzHummer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 8:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/7 "2007-02-17T08:03:37Z")
Awesome post steveo Congruency with your pheros and social awareness are two key issues when dealing with these products. rep points! HH ---
**Author:** ![xJCx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a9a28c/32.png) [@xJCx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xJCx)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 8:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/8 "2007-02-17T08:04:50Z")
Well Sage, the feeling I got from his post was that pheromones can only take you so far. They can help you as long as your willing to, but don’t think once you have them your social issues, if you have them, will be gone. You can’t expect miracles. They can influence people, but not control them. I might be wrong, but thats how it looked to me. ---
**Author:** ![Quicksilver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/quicksilver/32/1328_2.png) [@Quicksilver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Quicksilver)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/9 "2007-02-17T08:09:43Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > I continue to read posts about not noticing anything, so I will repeat: Every single movement of the human body has a meaning. If you are too busy watching for obvious things like the HB9 rubbing her hands down her pants you will most likely miss the slight movement of her thighs together, or her deep breathing, twirling her hair, how many times she blinks, maybe even the lean a slight bit closer to invade your space. The thing is every one of those movements can be calculated in fractions of inches so while your busy looking for things that are not happening you miss the things that did happen. Hey man, can you please elaborate on “the slight movement of her thighs together”? What would that look like and what can it mean? And if possible, where can I research more stuff like this? (I intend to get DD’s "Body Language DVDs eventually.) thanks in advance, and … Awesome post. 🆒 Quicksilver ---
**Author:** ![mhj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@mhj](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mhj)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 9:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/10 "2007-02-17T09:02:19Z")
wow! I really enjoyed reading that post, very informative too! nice job SteveO 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/11 "2007-02-17T16:02:12Z")
> [@kSage](#): > > What was the point of this post? It sounds like you are saying pheremones totally work and anyone who thinks otherwise just isn’t picking up on the incredibly subtle signs of their effect, except that of course they don’t work on anyone who knows you and they won’t help you be something that you aren’t already. (For most people that would be the definition of not working.) > > I also find it offensive that the only explanation you can find for someone not noticing results with pheromones is that they are not a good enough observer. I’m glad you are accomplished at observing details and nuances of behavior, but don’t think for a second you are the only one with this ability. Don’t give me the “I know pheremones work so if you can’t see it you must be blind” excuse because you’ve just listed a bunch of ways/reasons pheremones don’t work, plus there’s also issues of how they are applied, in what doses, in what mixtures, how long and in what environment other people come into contact with them, what your natural pheremone signature is like, what your natural personality and body language are like, etc., etc. > > If you want to “question motives if you don’t see any results from pheromones” go ahead, but please keep it to yourself. This forum is a place to be helpful, not for attacks on people’s character. _holy negativity,batman_! sounds like someone is very critical and doesnt know how to helpful themselves!!!😉 if we kept stuff to ourselves we wouldnt have a forum. you, my friend ought to wear some instant shine and not flatter yourself to think it was directed at you. **as you can see from the rep points we LOVE US SOME steveo threads!** _take what you can use_ and _leave the rest_ is my motto!😉 ---
**Author:** ![bryand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bryand/32/1474_2.png) [@bryand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bryand)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/12 "2007-02-17T16:26:40Z")
Nice observations Steveo and I couldn’t agree more. I am fairly new to pheromones and admit that there is much to learn about how they are effectively used in conjunction with one’s own phero signature and/or body language. But I am learning a great deal from this site and, and will continue to research such things. I havent posted much, because I feel that since being so new, that I really do not have much to contribute in the way of experience. Also, my reasons for using pheros seems to contradict what everyone else is using them for. ie.. most are looking for sexual attraction and since I’m married already that is not my primary goal. My goals are to use them for more of a business experiment and from that perspective, I have noticed some very pleasant results. Getting back to your post, I think that this is something that needed to be stated and and in such a manner. And ksage, lighten up man .. I don’t know Steveo personally but I believe his post is meant to be helpful. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/13 "2007-02-17T16:55:31Z")
I started out a little upset when I read your reply to my post Ksage. I stopped, took a sip of my wonderfully delicious coffee, Chock Full O’ Nuts, and smiled 😃 Thank you for your opinion, I will leave it as it is and let it speak for itself. To everyone who has given me rep points, not my intention, but much love and appreciation. THANKS! 😃 😃 😃 I wrote this post simply because if I had one similar to it when I started using pheromones I could have known what to look for and it would have helped me along my most amazing journey. I so do love pheromones! If I’ve upset anyone this was not my intentions.😠 There are many books about body language that are excellent. Unfortunately I have hundreds of books and I live in a small cabin in the woods. Most of my books are in my storage bin and I can’t quite remember the names or authors. Too bad there isn’t a memory booster pheromone. I smoked too much ganja as a kid. I haven’t seen DeAngelo’s body language program, but I own several of his other programs and if it is as good as those then the program should be worth it. I know you can learn so much about body language and it really is a science that must be studied. I continue to study and journal anything I have yet to come across before so that later I can better understand what it did mean. Every day I try and learn more so to say I am an expert I am not, but I do demonstrate a very good understanding of what to look for. Do I always catch every movement? If I did I’d write a book about it. The only book I write in now is my little notepad for journal reasons and to get/give numbers. It’s interesting but every tactician of body language will describe similar movements yet they will all interrupt them as meaning something different. Rubbing thighs together, also known as leg shifting can mean several of different things. Each movement is complimented by other movements. If I person shifts a lot and there face is more serious, or a bit distressed it could mean they need to go to the bathroom. If they slightly shift change while moving there nee or posture towards you it could mean they are closing the gap between you thus a positive sign. However if the movements are every few seconds with roaming eyes this could be saying, get away from me. Body language is not something I would feel comfortable to explain further. As I said it’s a science and I am not a scientist, only a SteveO. My suggestion is to familiarize yourself with body language. Not only for dating, but its applications are so much more valuable. My suggestion about your friends who have known you and your natural signature is an idea to get out and see how people who don’t know you react. Think about it this way: If you wore jeans and sneakers all the time and watched cartoons, and drank soda and then one day show up at your moms with a suit and tie, watching the science channel asking for the caviar and wine she is going to ask you what’s up. It’s not who you are. If over time you started to buy different clothing, became fond of wine and delectable goodies such as caviar, started becoming interested in science… your mother would accept this as progressive change. You can’t just wake up, spray yourself with pheromones and decide to be James Bond. My thread stands as it is without apology. I only wish I could have known what to look for when I started out. I hope any newer people on here understand what signs to look for and that pheromones are only a tool. When used properly you too will experience terrific results. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/14 "2007-02-17T16:59:38Z")
> [@bryand](#): > > Nice observations Steveo and I couldn’t agree more. I am fairly new to pheromones and admit that there is much to learn about how they are effectively used in conjunction with one’s own phero signature and/or body language. But I am learning a great deal from this site and, and will continue to research such things. > > I havent posted much, because I feel that since being so new, that I really do not have much to contribute in the way of experience. Also, my reasons for using pheros seems to contradict what everyone else is using them for. ie.. most are looking for sexual attraction and since I’m married already that is not my primary goal. My goals are to use them for more of a business experiment and from that perspective, I have noticed some very pleasant results. > > Getting back to your post, I think that this is something that needed to be stated and and in such a manner. And ksage, lighten up man .. I don’t know Steveo personally but I believe his post is meant to be helpful. > > Cheers We all have things to offer buddy. I for one love reading about other experiences. It really helps me in understanding how your experience can benefit me. As far as the business esperiment I would love to hear about how that works. I work in a strange place so I have not found anything that would change that for me as far as respect. Jasmin (the lovely [pheromone](https://a314.com/) queen) gave me some suggestions that produced amazing results of respect status. Other than that I haven’t found a use for them yet, but knowledge is power. Thanks for the input ---
**Author:** ![No1up](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ad7895/32.png) [@No1up](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/No1up)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/15 "2007-02-17T20:51:28Z")
Good post my friend a tad bit long hehe, but good info! I was 215 pounds pale, and had no idea how to dress, and I would NEVER be caught dead spending any money on ANY thing that would make me smell good. Now one year later after one day waking up and thinking to my self I want to be the good looking fit guy, I am. I lost well over 50 pounds comming back up in muscle I just started tanning and all is going well, I can almost see my abbs. I can run 5 miles easy, I look and feel GREAT! It was HARD work and working and staying on my diet was NOT easy, and it’s still not! I want to eat pizza like all my friends but I don’t! Now dress with things that fit me, and I buy things that smell good (for men) BTW try Valentino I love it! My point is I am just NOW getting in to pheromons to give a me a one up. I hope my hard work will pay off and I can be with the girl(s) of my dreams hehe. Sorry for the long post. Or spelling I’m not so good at that. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/16 "2007-02-17T21:17:34Z")
> [@No1up](#): > > Good post my friend a tad bit long hehe, but good info! I was 215 pounds pale, and had no idea how to dress, and I would NEVER be caught dead spending any money on ANY thing that would make me smell good. > > Now one year later after one day waking up and thinking to my self I want to be the good looking fit guy, I am. I lost well over 50 pounds comming back up in muscle I just started tanning and all is going well, I can almost see my abbs. I can run 5 miles easy, I look and feel GREAT! It was HARD work and working and staying on my diet was NOT easy, and it’s still not! > > I want to eat pizza like all my friends but I don’t! Now dress with things that fit me, and I buy things that smell good (for men) BTW try Valentino I love it! My point is I am just NOW getting in to pheromons to give a me a one up. I hope my hard work will pay off and I can be with the girl(s) of my dreams hehe. > > Sorry for the long post. Or spelling I’m not so good at that. Awesome work. Everything you do to help yourself makes your success that much more valuable. It’s been tremendous to me to know that I have worked so hard and everyday my interactions with women inspire me even more. I love pizza and sometimes I reward myself with eating some, but then it’s double the crunches the next day. When I was 315 lbs I saw my abs every day. I couldn’t see my willy or my feet cause my abs were blocking my view 😃 You apologized for your post being long at the end. My God that makes my post impossible to comprehend in post lengths. Thanks for the input. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/17 "2007-02-17T21:57:07Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > _holy negativity,batman_! > sounds like someone is very critical and doesnt know how to helpful themselves!!!😉 > if we kept stuff to ourselves we wouldnt have a forum. > you, my friend ought to wear some instant shine and not flatter yourself to think it was directed at you. Hey, Lor, I’ve appreciated a lot of your posts on the Women’s forum (but I liked your old avatar better). As for me, I can helpful myself fine. 😉 What made you think I thought Steveo’s post was directed at me? I didn’t say Steveo should keep everything to himself, just his broadside against anyone who doesn’t see results from pheremones. What’s the point of having a forum if you can’t accept “the motives” of people who disagree with you? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/18 "2007-02-17T22:26:48Z")
> [@kSage](#): > > Hey, Lor, I’ve appreciated a lot of your posts on the Women’s forum (but I liked your old avatar better). As for me, I can helpful myself fine. 😉 What made you think I thought Steveo’s post was directed at me? > > I didn’t say Steveo should keep everything to himself, just his broadside against anyone who doesn’t see results from pheremones. What’s the point of having a forum if you can’t accept “the motives” of people who disagree with you? if you slowly read every word you write, you cannot help being critical/negative. even your compliments are negative. there, i think i just i just critiqued your “motives” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/19 "2007-02-17T22:35:37Z")
> [@kSage](#): > > Hey, Lor, I’ve appreciated a lot of your posts on the Women’s forum (but I liked your old avatar better). As for me, I can helpful myself fine. 😉 What made you think I thought Steveo’s post was directed at me? > > I didn’t say Steveo should keep everything to himself, just his broadside against anyone who doesn’t see results from pheremones. What’s the point of having a forum if you can’t accept “the motives” of people who disagree with you? Well Ksage apparently many, many users found this post to be informative and helpfull. Like I said I wish I had something like this that I could have referenced when I first started out. Perhaps if you read my post instead of attacking me you could have recognized the information as not opposing anyone who doesn’t get results, but as a means to better judge the results they may be getting and missing. I said I wasn’t going to apologize to you but I lied: For now on I pledge to never try and help anyone out without first getting your approval. Please wait by your inbox for all future posts.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![bryand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bryand/32/1474_2.png) [@bryand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bryand)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2007, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078/20 "2007-02-18T00:25:56Z")
> [@](#): > > As far as the business esperiment I would love to hear about how that works. I work in a strange place so I have not found anything that would change that for me as far as respect. Jasmin (the lovely pheromone queen) gave me some suggestions that produced amazing results of respect status. Other than that I haven’t found a use for them yet, but knowledge is power. Well there is a lot of background information needed to understand why I feel like they work for me, but rather than going into all that I’ll just give you the cliff notes; Basically my job requires me to make appointments with people who need and use what I sell, but there are many companies like mine that offer virtually the same type products, so competition is fierce. In the end, it all comes down to “relationship building” more than anything else, and so based on that perspective, pheros have helped to “break the ice” and “melt away the tension” between myself and the individuals that I visit with and create a sort of “Instant Rapport”. (I think that is what I will call my mix from now on) If I am really lucky, I have the opportunity to visit with a woman. This is when I have noticed pheros work very well. Understanding body language in conjunction with pheros is a key factor in determining if the sales technique that I am using is working or if I need to switch to a different one. My “Instant Rapport” mix consists of A314 (2 drops), Instant Shine 2x (3 sprays), Instant Openness (2 sprays) and Instant Honesty (2 sprays). If I know that I will be meeting with a female, I usually add a spray of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) for good measure. I usually apply the mix around 7:30am and then again around 1pm. Cheers [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miracle-in-the-bottle/2078.md?page=2)