# Mix dillution help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 18, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428 "2008-01-18T23:30:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![umo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9bcb4/32.png) [@umo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/umo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428/1 "2008-01-18T23:30:31Z")
Hi folks, I was wondering if there was a spreadsheet that helps calculate how many sprays of a particular product is needed to obtain a final mix concentration. Basically I want to re-create SteveO’s ICM.025.1a mix with the products I have at my concentrations. I tried making my spreadsheet already based on a thread that tried to explain it, but the numbers just don’t look correct to me. 😕 As a background, I have: TAA at 10 mcg/spray None at 10 mcg/spray Beta Androstenol at 10 mcg/spray P93 at 15 mcg/spray [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) at 10 mcg/spray TAC at 15 mcg/spray My spreadsheet looks a bit like this: (this is to obtain 5ml final product and assuming .15ml / spray) ```php Making 5mL my bottle mcgs/30mL mcg/mL mL amount mcg/spray concentration bottle to add to equiv sprays needed mcg/spray container TAA 4 10 2000 66.67 0.741 4.93 None 5 10 2000 66.67 0.926 6.17 B n0l 5 10 2000 66.67 0.926 6.17 P93 3 15 2000 100 0.556 3.70 P74 5 10 2000 66.67 0.926 6.17 TAC 3 15 2000 100 0.926 6.17 ===== 27 ``` I _think_ I am missing something because my concentration of P93 seems way too high. Sorry I don’t show formula, but the “mL amount to add to container” formula is Total ml of final product (5) divided by total mcgs of pheros in the mix (27) multiplied by the desired end amount of that particular phero (in the case of TAA, 4). I believe I am missing something because the formula doesn’t take into account my bottle concentration. On another note, how accurate is the atomizer? My calculation says .15mL for every spray. Thanks a bunch! ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 12:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428/2 "2008-01-19T00:43:56Z")
Fra Septimus wrote, > [@](#): > > Okay, boys and girls, this is how it works: > > Let’s say we have some pheros A (2.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)/spray), B (2.5) and C (5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)/spray). We use 1 spray of phero A and 2 of B and 2 of C. Our actual amounts sprayed are 2.5, 5, and 10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) (easy, huh?). We want to make a mix from higher concentrations so we don’t need to spray 5 sprays all the time. > > Hang in there’ it’s good, I promise…😛 > > If we get a regular bottle (30 ml) of pheromones A and B, and the concentration is 12.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per spray, then at 200 sprays per bottle that gives us 2500 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of pheromones in each bottle. That means each ml of liquid contains (2500/30) or 83.33 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram). > > A bottle of pheromone C with 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)/spray has 5000 total, and that’s 166.67 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per ml. > > Stick with me, it gets better. 😃 > > We want to make up a full bottle (30 ml) in these ratios. Our total of the parts is 5 (add them together) and 30/5 is 6, so we use: > (30/5) = 6 ml of A > (30/5) x 2 = 12 ml of B > (30/5) x 2 = 12 ml of C > which is the same ratio as above, 1, 2, 2. > > Now, we have in our bottle: > > 6 x 83.33 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of A = 499.98 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of A (call it 500) > 12 x 83.33 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of B = 999.96 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of B (call it 1000) > 12 x 166.66 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of C = 2000.04 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of C (call it 2000) > > Here’s the climax (ooh!)😉 > > Each spray of the new mix delivers: > 500/200 = 2.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of A > 1000/200 = 5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of B > 2000/200 = 10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of C > > Voila! > > If only ONE is scented, then you would get a diminished scent depending on which component it was. If all three were scented the same, the one spray would have the same intensity of scent as one spray of any of the components. > > Of course, if you were using the lower original concentrations, then you would need 5 sprays (and get 5 times the scent of one spray). And remember a to-go delivers only 83.3 percent of the regular bottle! * * * Here is the thread [When Mixing Your Pheromones - #16 by Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-mixing-your-pheromones/2834/16) I hope this helps you. Great Thread to read by the way. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428/3 "2008-01-19T16:00:29Z")
There is a mistake in your mcgs/30 ml bottle column. For [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) and TAC, it should be 3000 instead of 2000, although mcg/ml is fine. Also Steveo’s mix contains 5 mcg/spray not 3 mcg/spray of TAC.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428/4 "2008-01-19T16:12:12Z")
Your starting concentrations are a little low. But here is what you do.🙂 Mix the following: (note that if you are using the sprays to mix, rather than mls, then they must all be from the 30 ml Androtics bottle which outputs 0.15 ml/spray) TAA : 5.4 ml or 36 sprays None : 6.75 ml or 45 sprays Beta Androstenol : 6.75 ml or 45 sprays P93 : 2.7 ml or 18 sprays P74 : 6.75 ml or 45 sprays TAC : 4.5 ml or 30 sprays Alcohol with no [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/): 7.65 ml or 51 sprays (This is important, otherwise you will need 2.43 sprays of the final mix to get the right dosage, which is hard to get, instead of a round figure, 3 sprays from the bottle, for the final mix to get the correct dosage!) Now **3 sprays of this mix** from the Androtics 30 ml bottle will give you the equivalent dose of 1 spray of Steveo’s mix. ---
**Author:** ![umo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9bcb4/32.png) [@umo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/umo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428/5 "2008-01-19T17:31:44Z")
Thanks alot to you all! I am still trying to figure out how to make the spreadsheet for the general case on this now. The last time I took a chemistry class was 14 years ago lol… My stoichiometry skillz are very rusty. Much appreciated on final numbers for my concentration nbully. I guess my final total ml will be ~40ml with the numbers you gave. umo ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-dillution-help/8428/6 "2008-01-19T18:24:26Z")
> [@umo](#): > > Thanks alot to you all! > > I am still trying to figure out how to make the spreadsheet for the general case on this now. The last time I took a chemistry class was 14 years ago lol… My stoichiometry skillz are very rusty. > > Much appreciated on final numbers for my concentration nbully. I guess my final total ml will be ~40ml with the numbers you gave. > > umo You can always divide by a constant to get lower amounts. So if you want total to be ~ 20 ml divide all numbers by 2. That wil not have any effect on the ratios or output, but will make the measurement a bit harder (as the numbers become lower they need to be more precise). Alternatively you can mix in a bigger than 30 ml bottle and transfer the 30 ml later to the Androtics bottles and the rest to another bottle.