# Mixed ISb results at a bar from a male perspective: is it wise to wear near my ex? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 28, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330 "2016-08-28T17:50:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/1 "2016-08-28T17:50:55Z")
Hello. I posted this same post in the women’s section, looking for advice and accounts of similar experiences. I figure if I also post it in the male forum I’ll be able to get a better view from the male perspective 🙂 I tried ISb in a bar-concert environment and it has been my only social experience with it so far. I had mixed results, I’ll paste some of what I’ve previously written: "I’m from a small city and know most of the people who went on some level. I used 2.5 sprays (I sprayed onto a piece of plastic then dabbed it on me with my finger because I have a sensitive nose). Over the next hour I became easily frustrated and was in an unnecessarily bad mood, but by the time I got to the club I was feeling much better. Throughout the night, one person pretty much clung to me, some who don’t normally talk to me struck up conversation, I got a lot of hugs, and even some of the females who I thought didn’t like me were being nice to me. But some of the guys who’ve flirted with me in the past seemed to bounce back and forth throughout the night. They’d come over for a minute or two, happy to see me, then look distracted and leave. That went on the whole night. One of them had been telling me throughout the night the he was glad I came, happy to see me, etc, but when I sent him a message later on he read it and ignored it (It wasn’t a weird message, so that’s not why he ignored it). When I woke up the next morning, the scent had worn off but the unmistakable “sweat” smell from the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) was left behind and I instantly got a shower. I’m wondering if I may have used too much, if maybe it smelled bad or if it just didn’t have a good reaction depending on the person." I’ve been curious to try mones around my ex. But with these experiences, I got to wondering if ISb may have a negative effect on him and turn him off, or intimidate him or something, or that he’ll hate the smell. I’m also wondering about IO. I’m afraid that it’ll just make me too talkative or spill something emotional, which I feel would turn him off also. Any input or insight is welcome 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/2 "2016-08-29T14:51:52Z")
IS/b is a soft, kittenish product. Comparable to Natalie Portman, or Jennifer Aniston in early seasons of “Friends”. It’s why those guys were nice and friendly with you. You came off as non-threatening. As opposed to someone who could embarrass them or throw a drink in their face. But once they stepped away from you, the IS/b effect ended, causing them to act in a more guarded manner toward you. As for using IS/b on your ex-boyfriend, what’s your goal? Are you looking to re-attract him romantically or permanently friend-zone him? You didn’t specify. If it’s the former, IS/b should be just the ticket. If latter, you’re better off with IS/a, which lets you stand your ground better. (Then again, I’m biased, because I’m attracted to sweet, non-threatening types. Some men are more into dominant women; don’t know about your ex.) IO isn’t likely to make you spill your guts and blab personal stuff; that’s more of an IH thing. If anything, IO will make you a little hyper, and cause you to ramble about the weather/pop culture/current events. Androtics even used to have a product caused Spaceland, which was like super-strong IO. I enjoyed it back in the day; when I used it in combination with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and A1, I ended up dancing with lots of women in one night, and even kissed one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/3 "2016-08-29T18:29:29Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > IS/b is a soft, kittenish product. Comparable to Natalie Portman, or Jennifer Aniston in early seasons of “Friends”. It’s why those guys were nice and friendly with you. You came off as non-threatening. As opposed to someone who could embarrass them or throw a drink in their face. But once they stepped away from you, the IS/b effect ended, causing them to act in a more guarded manner toward you. > > As for using IS/b on your ex-boyfriend, what’s your goal? Are you looking to re-attract him romantically or permanently friend-zone him? You didn’t specify. If it’s the former, IS/b should be just the ticket. If latter, you’re better off with IS/a, which lets you stand your ground better. (Then again, I’m biased, because I’m attracted to sweet, non-threatening types. Some men are more into dominant women; don’t know about your ex.) > > IO isn’t likely to make you spill your guts and blab personal stuff; that’s more of an IH thing. If anything, IO will make you a little hyper, and cause you to ramble about the weather/pop culture/current events. Androtics even used to have a product caused Spaceland, which was like super-strong IO. I enjoyed it back in the day; when I used it in combination with Ammo and A1, I ended up dancing with lots of women in one night, and even kissed one of them. Your reply was very helpful. The guy who bounced off of me the most is definitely the type of guy who prefers aggressive women (which I’m not but he has still tried in the past), maybe because of the ISb he felt I was too girl-next-door-ish to stick around for long. Maybe ISb doesn’t agree with my natural chemistry. I tried it with a friend today who is normally flirty, but was just friendly today. I seem to be making guys less attracted to me with this stuff ☹ My goal with my ex is to attract him. We’re on good terms and I’ve grown emotionally since our breakup, I’m hoping to maybe get him thinking about us again, help him past any automatic negative thoughts that people usually associate with past relationships. But with my ISb experiences so far, I’m more afraid I’ll wind up permanently wedging myself into the friend zone :s Also, if I do try ISb on him, will adding IO make me seem even more just-friends-ish? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/4 "2016-08-29T19:05:38Z")
May be worth mentioning that when I tried ISb on my friend today, it was just one spray ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/5 "2016-08-29T21:56:54Z")
So, good that you indicate the guy who bounced off prefers aggressive women. How long was he around your mone ‘cloud’? I’ve used mones for many a years and find that sometimes, it doesn’t matter the mone signature you have or the influence that’s screaming in their face, if they are feeling sick, or have a problem that they are mentally occupied, going over and over it, you will NOT get a response as you possibly thought. IS/b with 1 spray is a good place to start, I always do recommend that as well as applying to a pulse point in your neck or wrists. My personal preference is the Neck for something like IS/a - IS/b and the Social IShine. For IO or IH, I would recommend the wrists. Farther away from your nose, the less intense the self effects. What about your ex? What is his ‘type’? 1Alpha ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/6 "2016-08-29T22:56:41Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > So, good that you indicate the guy who bounced off prefers aggressive women. How long was he around your mone ‘cloud’? I’ve used mones for many a years and find that sometimes, it doesn’t matter the mone signature you have or the influence that’s screaming in their face, if they are feeling sick, or have a problem that they are mentally occupied, going over and over it, you will NOT get a response as you possibly thought. > > IS/b with 1 spray is a good place to start, I always do recommend that as well as applying to a pulse point in your neck or wrists. My personal preference is the Neck for something like IS/a - IS/b and the Social IShine. For IO or IH, I would recommend the wrists. Farther away from your nose, the less intense the self effects. > > What about your ex? What is his ‘type’? > > 1Alpha That’s still a mystery to me lol. Throughout our 1.5 year relationship he had often indicated that strong, confident, independent women were most attractive. But what he indicated and what he unconsciously sought were two totally different things. The women that I noticed he had a soft spot for were all downright timid (including me until recently) and any time I managed to boost my confidence or become more assertive with him it seemed to turn him off. It’s like he prefers the challenge of taming a skittish woman over chasing an intimidating one, even though he is obviously more attracted to confident women. Are you guys all this complicated? Lol 😛 But my best guess is that, romantically, he prefers less aggressive women ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/7 "2016-08-29T23:05:29Z")
Many people SAY one thing but actually WANT another. His STORY about wanting a strong and independent Woman is not Real. Take his subconscious actions into account, any day of the week! Guys basically aren’t that complicated. He seems to have the Knight in Shining armor complex, wanting to be the hero who sweeps up the gal and gets her all starry eyed for him. The problem then becomes, once that happens, where to go from here? Because you can only save a damsel in distress so many times… In Self Effect, your IS/b is working you hard for the first 30 minutes to an hour then, you seem to calm down. What do you perceive you feel after you do calm down? ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/8 "2016-08-29T23:51:44Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Many people SAY one thing but actually WANT another. His STORY about wanting a strong and independent Woman is not Real. > > Take his subconscious actions into account, any day of the week! Guys basically aren’t that complicated. He seems to have the Knight in Shining armor complex, wanting to be the hero who sweeps up the gal and gets her all starry eyed for him. The problem then becomes, once that happens, where to go from here? Because you can only save a damsel in distress so many times… - You are a wise man 🙂 And if my ex really is that type of person, there’s no way I’d ever be able to keep up a persona for him. I’ll always be shy and modest but never again will I be meek or needy. I’d be better off moving on. All that aside, maybe if I did try ISb on him it would turn him off too? It seems to be turning off people who already liked me. It’s definitely not making me more arrogant or aggressive, just more outgoing. Shouldn’t that be a good thing? Lol > [@1Alpha](#): > > In Self Effect, your IS/b is working you hard for the first 30 minutes to an hour then, you seem to calm down. What do you perceive you feel after you do calm down? - after the initial effects I feel calmer, I hold my head higher, I smile more and I’m less self-conscious. Hell I may just keep wearing this for me lol ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/9 "2016-08-30T00:01:35Z")
> [@Sjdonahue](#): > > But what he indicated and what he unconsciously sought were two totally different things. The women that I noticed he had a soft spot for were all downright timid (including me until recently) and any time I managed to boost my confidence or become more assertive with him it seemed to turn him off. It seems like he liked the fun factor of a confident woman, but also wanted the safety of a more timid woman. Safety from being hurt somehow, that is. What were his past relationships like? Has one of his past girlfriends every mistreated him? I’m wondering because when you became more confident or outgoing, these powerful behaviors may have triggered the hurtful memories he had. Although I’m still a bit confused how IS/b fits into the equation here. Perhaps there’s a connection between IS/a and IS/b, and a woman’s age, like there is between androstenone and a man’s age. Since your profile doesn’t say, how old are you? ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/10 "2016-08-30T00:26:11Z")
Shame on you, TheAttractor!!! When do you ask a woman her age??? 😉 Even so, an age range or something like that… 😃 I don’t know about a ‘fun’ Factor of a confident woman, I would say that he likely has the inner need to have the Security of a Confident woman, who can even tell him what he wants, and is conflicted with a Need to have a Purpose in a relationship and direct it, because this is what he wants in a IS/B gal. If he doesn’t get out of his own way, he WILL end up lovin’ the gal then… Not. I would ask Sjdonahue what EXACTLY is your END result that you WANT to have by Applying ANY mones with him, as it looks like you’re not quite as sure as when you first posted. 1Alpha ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/11 "2016-08-30T00:40:34Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > It seems like he liked the fun factor of a confident woman, but also wanted the safety of a more timid woman. Safety from being hurt somehow, that is. What were his past relationships like? Has one of his past girlfriends every mistreated him? I’m wondering because when you became more confident or outgoing, these powerful behaviors may have triggered the hurtful memories he had. - you’re quite right. He had a devastating breakup about 4 years before he met me, she was a very flashy and aggressive woman and she eventually cheated on him. > [@TheAttractor](#): > > Although I’m still a bit confused how IS/b fits into the equation here. - I wanted to try ISb around him because I would like to rekindle what we had. Maybe if he dropped his guard a little he’d be more receptive. But with the experiences I’ve had with ISb on others so far I’m afraid it’ll actually turn him off > [@TheAttractor](#): > > Perhaps there’s a connection between IS/a and IS/b, and a woman’s age, like there is between androstenone and a man’s age. Since your profile doesn’t say, how old are you? - I’m 36 but I still get ID’d and I don’t dress like a typical “mature” woman. I’m a geek lol. That in and of itself could probably come across as confusing, on a chemical level ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/12 "2016-08-30T00:58:17Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Shame on you, TheAttractor!!! When do you ask a woman her age??? 😉 - lol! I’m ok with it. I actually secretly enjoy seeing a person’s eyes pop when I reveal my age. It’s often a conversation topic. People usually figure I’m in my early twenties. It’s kind of the reason I don’t have my age posted here. Numbers can be misleading 🙂 > [@1Alpha](#): > > I don’t know about a ‘fun’ Factor of a confident woman, I would say that he likely has the inner need to have the Security of a Confident woman, who can even tell him what he wants, and is conflicted with a Need to have a Purpose in a relationship and direct it, because this is what he wants in a IS/B gal. > If he doesn’t get out of his own way, he WILL end up lovin’ the gal then… Not. - Do you have esp or something? Lol. What you say seems very likely. And I wonder if ISb would cause greater conflict or help smooth it out > [@1Alpha](#): > > I would ask Sjdonahue what EXACTLY is your END result that you WANT to have by Applying ANY mones with him, as it looks like you’re not quite as sure as when you first posted - I do feel less sure. I would like for us to try again using the things we’ve learned from our mistakes, but this whole conversation has reminded me that I may have been the only one doing the learning. So I would still like to try, but now I’m more accepting to the idea that if it doesn’t happen, it’s probably for the best. But being someone who has to be super sure about something before making a decision, I want to make sure I do all the right things, and I feel that if a “magic potion” like ISb could give me a bit of an edge on opening his mind to it a little, then I’d definitely try it. And if it’s possible it’ll cause him to feel more shut off, then I definitely won’t. Sorry, wordy lol ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/13 "2016-08-30T01:11:55Z")
Now, just to get this out of the way… What do you envision happening if you approach him sans mones? What would likely happen? I mean, you KNOW what he likes to see, what you wear and how to talk to him, you know, 1 1/2 years, you do pick up more than you realize, ESPECIALLY, you Women who have an additional sixth sense of these things, even the Geeky types.. 😉 Look, you do care for the guy, you’ve learned from your mistakes, and you’ve realized that you may be the only one doing the learning here. You don’t want to shut him off and even with the possibility, you don’t want to try it, that is the IS/b. I would be much more inclined, if you must apply a mone, keep it to a IO and/or IShine just so that the friendly, open communication can flow so you can be SURE about this relationship before making a decision and moving on, with him or without because you’ll have accepted whatever happens. No… I don’t have ESP. I’m a professional Life and Success Coach, so have developed an intuitive nature about relationships and individual basic needs. 1Alpha ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/14 "2016-08-30T01:50:00Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Now, just to get this out of the way… What do you envision happening if you approach him sans mones? What would likely happen? I mean, you KNOW what he likes to see, what you wear and how to talk to him, you know, 1 1/2 years, you do pick up more than you realize, ESPECIALLY, you Women who have an additional sixth sense of these things, even the Geeky types.. 😉 > > Look, you do care for the guy, you’ve learned from your mistakes, and you’ve realized that you may be the only one doing the learning here. You don’t want to shut him off and even with the possibility, you don’t want to try it, that is the IS/b. > > I would be much more inclined, if you must apply a mone, keep it to a IO and/or IShine just so that the friendly, open communication can flow so you can be SURE about this relationship before making a decision and moving on, with him or without because you’ll have accepted whatever happens Very good points. I guess the issue is that I’m not confident that I’M enough to open his mind. I should probably give myself the benefit of the doubt instead of taking a risk with something that may turn him away huh. IO definitely makes sense. We do have a great rapport and he loves talking. It’s probably the best bet 🙂 > [@1Alpha](#): > > No… I don’t have ESP. I’m a professional Life and Success Coach, so have developed an intuitive nature about relationships and individual basic needs. I knew it! Lol Thank you very much for your input ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/15 "2016-08-30T01:52:59Z")
Side note: I think I’m going to limit ISb to when I’m around people who don’t already know me so well. Seems it’s confusing to them, maybe a bit intimidating ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/16 "2016-08-30T02:05:36Z")
You are a beautiful woman and even in the short time we’ve ‘talked’, can see that you are empathetic to others, kind, caring, thoughtful and because of this want to have more than a shallow relationship but a deep connection. This will not be the last time anyone says that you’re beautiful because you can’t hide it! That’s right… Stay present. Embrace this moment. That is all you have and ever will have. Life is beautiful and you are in the precise place you need to be to resonate with that beauty with your own. If he see’s that in you or not, is a reflection of his Character, not a reflection of your worth. Be the woman that makes YOU happy. If he see’s that, he will enhance YOUR happy. If he doesn’t, YOU are still the confident woman that makes YOU happy. Does that make sense? I seem to have rambled a bit. 😃 1Alpha ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/17 "2016-08-30T02:25:08Z")
Oh, and that is MY thoughts and MY post, so you have no right to downplay it! As to the side note, I would suggest you keep up the testing of IS/b along with a journal so that you can begin to hone your observational skills on the mones, body language, attitude, etc. as they will ALL have an impact on the mones influence. ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/18 "2016-08-30T02:37:48Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > You are a beautiful woman and even in the short time we’ve ‘talked’, can see that you are empathetic to others, kind, caring, thoughtful and because of this want to have more than a shallow relationship but a deep connection. This will not be the last time anyone says that you’re beautiful because you can’t hide it! > That’s right… > Stay present. Embrace this moment. That is all you have and ever will have. Life is beautiful and you are in the precise place you need to be to resonate with that beauty with your own. If he see’s that in you or not, is a reflection of his Character, not a reflection of your worth. > Be the woman that makes YOU happy. > If he see’s that, he will enhance YOUR happy. If he doesn’t, YOU are still the confident woman that makes YOU happy. > > Does that make sense? I seem to have rambled a bit. 😃 > > 1Alpha I’m blushing haha Thanks, you’re a great motivational speaker ---
**Author:** ![Sjdonahue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sjdonahue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sjdonahue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/19 "2016-08-30T02:38:25Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Oh, and that is MY thoughts and MY post, so you have no right to downplay it! > > As to the side note, I would suggest you keep up the testing of IS/b along with a journal so that you can begin to hone your observational skills on the mones, body language, attitude, etc. as they will ALL have an impact on the mones influence. Good idea! ---
**Author:** ![lalythil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@lalythil](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lalythil)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330/20 "2016-08-30T12:40:09Z")
Also, another way to look at things: ; Since you have changed and you like the self effects of IS/B, but your friends seem not to, just use it for the self effects, be the (more) confident woman you like to be and gather new people around you that like (and are attracted to) the new you! Those old friends, still be kind to them, treat them well and don’t shun them, but don’t get too hung up on them either. Don’t let them hold you back 🙂 For better or worse, you’ve changed and they’ll just have to deal with it 😉 Also, I’m not sure, but if you want to make sure your target (exbf) that he thinks romantically about you, how about using something that is somewhat(or a lot) more sexual and then denying him the pleasure. I think that (at least this is very true for me) quite a few guys do like to be tantalised. As in, knowing what we could get, but not get it immediately. I think that’s why teasing is such a great thing. dangle the carrot, but keep it slightly out of reach, at least for a little while, until you are willing to go all the way. I’m not entirely sure if the rest would agree with me though. And don’t take it to extremes, unless you want to punish him bad, but even then only go so far as you are comfortable with of course. But to jumpstart/rekindle anything, a sexualised mix might just make him remember what he’s missing out on. Make him remember what he’s had.. and lost… 😉 (However, don’t over do it with changing to a sexy clothing style if you normally wouldn’t wear that, as that would make you come off as desperate!! You want to keep things, aside from the scent signature, pretty subtle. But anyway that’s just my 2 cents and I’m pretty sure that other forum goers might have a (very!) different opinion haha. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixed-isb-results-at-a-bar-from-a-male-perspective-is-it-wise-to-wear-near-my-ex/66330.md?page=2)