# Mixing "feminine" and "masculine" mones **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 2, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014 "2012-01-02T07:34:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/1 "2012-01-02T07:34:32Z")
Hey all, I was wondering what the effect would be if someone mixed, say, EST + -NONE and -RONE. Is it impossible to be congruent with such an androgenous mix? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 10:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/2 "2012-01-02T10:25:33Z")
Except in the case of copulins which are the vaginal fluids of young fertile females we make and secrete all the same [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). The difference is the ratio we make them. Women are estrogen dominant and men are androgen dominant. Men can wear the opposite genders dominant pheromones however its best used as a buffer to soften a overly strong androgen single. So depending on what you wear it with and your intention it can send a signal of sensitivity, caring, nurturing and bonding type signals. If you mess the ratio up and go to high with the estrogen’s it can come across as a weak sissy boy vibe. Women on the other hand can wear men’s mones to compliment there female primaries. This can give us a stronger matriarchal leader type vibe. To much and it comes across bitchy and butch. If you think of pheromones in the sense of colors and ratios of color wearing to much estrogens is like wearing a pink suit. It comes across girly soft weak and sissified. However if you wear the correct ratio its more like wearing a pink tie. A guy can look stylish but still masculine and strong. Congruence is an important part with mones but mones will signal with or without it. I prefer to refer to it as not being in opposition with your signature. You don’t have to really act a part you just have to be sure not to act in opposition to that part. For instance is your sending a happy outgoing open signal with something like IO but you stand in the corner brooding and looking closed and mean it confuses people. Its acting in opposition to your signal. You don’t have to be the most happy outgoing guy just don’t be the frowning mean brooder, Congruence doesn’t make your mones work they will send that signal not matter what. Congruence is what connects the signal to you, its what can make the vibe comfortable or creepy. Girls pick up on this more then men. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/3 "2012-01-08T17:08:14Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Congruence is what connects the signal to you, its what can make the vibe comfortable or creepy. Girls pick up on this more then men. > > Tisha So what behavior would be congruent with “est, none and rone” in combo for a man? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/4 "2012-01-08T19:01:40Z")
Just your normal really. I don’t see anything particularly androgynous in that mix. The nol and est serve to increase sociability and engagement whilst inducing comfort/mood lifting effects that encourages a range of feelings which complement the sexuality and offset the potential negative effects of the none. Remember that sexual attraction in a woman is usually far more that just getting horny from the none - In the abscence of supporting/justifying feelings, that alone often just repels her. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/5 "2012-01-08T21:55:12Z")
> [@Logos](#): > > So what behavior would be congruent with “est, none and rone” in combo for a man? Nurturing. Est increases that caring sensitive fondness vibe. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/6 "2012-01-09T00:16:33Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Nurturing. Est increases that caring sensitive fondness vibe. > > Tisha Yes, I know what the single molecule does. My question was about the mix. -None is intimidating. So you’d have a high status intimidating caretaker? Would that mix successfully take the edge off of -none, then? Or would it just be impossible to be congruent with the combination? ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/7 "2012-01-09T00:23:16Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Just your normal really. > > I don’t see anything particularly androgynous in that mix. The nol and est serve to increase sociability and engagement whilst inducing comfort/mood lifting effects that encourages a range of feelings which complement the sexuality and offset the potential negative effects of the none. > > Remember that sexual attraction in a woman is usually far more that just getting horny from the none - In the abscence of supporting/justifying feelings, that alone often just repels her. What -nol? The question was about -none, -rone and EST. I didn’t even mention -nol. (odd. it autocompletes the names from typing - n o l, - r o n e, etc. ) This isn’t a “how can I get laid” question, incidentally, but about whether it’s possible to make a mix with which one cannot be congruent. To put it another way; without ODing, is it possible to “say” something in the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) language which is interpreted as non-sense or which does not conform to any response pattern in the target? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/8 "2012-01-09T01:15:59Z")
> [@Logos](#): > > Yes, I know what the single molecule does. My question was about the mix. -None is intimidating. So you’d have a high status intimidating caretaker? Would that mix successfully take the edge off of -none, then? Or would it just be impossible to be congruent with the combination? Oh sorry I misunderstood. I would say the vibe that combo would send would be a Clint Eastwood type vibe. You know the one he hides under a gruff persona. Eastwood always had a way of letting his sensitivity come through without taking away from his masculinity. He’s really not great looking but that gruff sensitivity is highly attractive. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/9 "2012-01-09T02:30:19Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Oh sorry I misunderstood. I would say the vibe that combo would send would be a Clint Eastwood type vibe. You know the one he hides under a gruff persona. > > Tisha Oh, that sounds good. Thanks. -None really is too strong for me and the 2x ammo I got was far too raw at even one spray (I should have gotten 1x if anything.) I think I might add some EST that I bought to the remainder and see if that gives me something a little closer to what I want and throw in some -nols. Thanks for the info. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/10 "2012-01-09T02:34:50Z")
> [@Logos](#): > > What -nol? The question was about -none, -rone and EST. I didn’t even mention -nol. (odd. it autocompletes the names from typing - n o l, - r o n e, etc. ) > > This isn’t a “how can I get laid” question, incidentally, but about whether it’s possible to make a mix with which one cannot be congruent. To put it another way; without ODing, is it possible to “say” something in the pheromone language which is interpreted as non-sense or which does not conform to any response pattern in the target? Sorry - Brainfart moment! 😃 Yes, I would say it is entirely possible to be incongruent with any kind of mix. In fact I would say incongruency/unsuitability with mixes is another of the big mistakes people tend to make with pheros. eg - Strongly sexual mixes to a sedate working/social environment where they cannot reasonably be congruent with the signal or highly social/engaging mixes on a remote/antisocial, wallflower at a party. My own best example would be the times I wore A314 and [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) together - that just confused the hell out of people around me, many of whom had responded well to my wearing them individually before. ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/11 "2012-01-09T06:22:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Sorry - Brainfart moment! 😃 > > Yes, I would say it is entirely possible to be incongruent with any kind of mix. > > In fact I would say incongruency/unsuitability with mixes is another of the big mistakes people tend to make with pheros. eg - Strongly sexual mixes to a sedate working/social environment where they cannot reasonably be congruent with the signal or highly social/engaging mixes on a remote/antisocial, wallflower at a party. > > My own best example would be the times I wore A314 and MX297 together - that just confused the hell out of people around me, many of whom had responded well to my wearing them individually before. I hear you saying that mixes can be incongruent with certain social situations which I understand. And you also seem to be saying that certain mixes can be incongruent with other mixes. The second part is what I’m inquiring about. When is a mix is incompatible with all possible social situations? What are the underlying principles at work there? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 10:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/12 "2012-01-09T10:12:00Z")
> [@](#): > > When is a mix is incompatible with all possible social situations? What are the underlying principles at work there? When molecules do not compliment each other they can cause confusion. For instance if you took the arone out of the line up in the mix you suggested anone and est would clash. The arone which is peaceful trustful alpha is what would connect the aggressive highly sexual anone and the soft sensitive Est. Its like a bridge that connects two signals making them more clear and believable. Without it people depending on how they process could get a creepy vibe (that feeling something is just not right with this guy) or just ignore it all together because it doesn’t make sense. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-feminine-and-masculine-mones/54014/13 "2012-01-10T06:38:55Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > When molecules do not compliment each other they can cause confusion. > > For instance if you took the arone out of the line up in the mix you suggested anone and est would clash. The arone which is peaceful trustful alpha is what would connect the aggressive highly sexual anone and the soft sensitive Est. Its like a bridge that connects two signals making them more clear and believable. > > Without it people depending on how they process could get a creepy vibe (that feeling something is just not right with this guy) or just ignore it all together because it doesn’t make sense. > > Tisha Thanks, Tisha. That’s the kind of thing I was asking about.