# Mixing help? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 26, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226 "2014-02-26T22:03:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/1 "2014-02-26T22:03:56Z")
Hey I want to try and lessen the strength of one of my mones and I’m wondering what’s a inexpensive way I can do this? Low cost alcohol, low cost mixing supplies, etc. ? Also I’d like to go to the store and not have to wait for something in the mail. (ie. walmart, etc.) Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/2 "2014-02-26T22:56:36Z")
You can get disposable measuring pipettes and bottles/sprayers off Ebay for not a lot. Depending on where you are, perfumers alcohol may be available cheaply, otherwise just use cologne and the store here will also sell you all you need incl PA, scented or unscented. For physical shops, most comprehensive pharmacies will sell pippettes/measures, bottles etc, plus travel bottles/sprayers can be got in many stores. ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/3 "2014-02-26T23:02:11Z")
It’s not recommended. Because we then can’t use your mix data. What specifically are you trying to reduce? An Experimone or a consumer product? This feedback helps us make better things in the future. If you really need to, you can go to any liquor store and get the highest proof alcohol they have. Everclear 190 proof is most available stateside. The risk is some of the fragrance materials and [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) falling out of solution. Recommended-ish: You can also pick up a few mixing supplies here. We have pipettes and specially denatured perfumer’s alcohol, with your choice of our fragrances, so you can dilute your mix as you need. You can put in the order notes to fill alcohol to 15 mL in a 30 mL bottle, so you can cut your product’s strength in half. And so on. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/4 "2014-02-26T23:30:48Z")
> [@Brian\_F](#): > > It’s not recommended. Because we then can’t use your mix data. > > What specifically are you trying to reduce? An Experimone or a consumer product? This feedback helps us make better things in the future. > > If you really need to, you can go to any liquor store and get the highest proof alcohol they have. Everclear 190 proof is most available stateside. **The risk is some of the fragrance materials and pheromones falling out of solution.** > > Recommended-ish: You can also pick up a few mixing supplies here. We have pipettes and specially denatured perfumer’s alcohol, with your choice of our fragrances, so you can dilute your mix as you need. You can put in the order notes to fill alcohol to 15 mL in a 30 mL bottle, so you can cut your product’s strength in half. And so on. Could you explain what this means, please? ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/5 "2014-02-27T00:24:39Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Could you explain what this means, please? Right! Thanks for asking. Everclear isn’t pure alcohol. 190 proof is 95% alcohol/ethanol by volume (ABV), and 151 proof is 75.5% ABV. At this concentration, some of the more waxy fragrance chemicals, and the heavier molecular weight pheromones can precipitate (come out of) solution. You’ll see them float to the top or sink to the bottom. A shake and few minute incubation in a warm place should dissolve it back into solution. Once in solution, spray. Leave it alone, and it will end up precipitating again. Then continues the cycle. Incubate before application, precipitate after you leave it alone. And so on. Perfumer’s Alcohol conversely is about 99.88% ABV, & the remainder, denaturants. The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms requires denaturants be put in high proof alcohols to deter consumption. (IMHO so people don’t start sipping their perfumes and getting drunk/hurt/intoxicated/poisoned. Some perfumery chemicals are toxic ENOUGH!) Denaturants vary per Perfumer’s Alcohol. You can PM/email me if you need more specific information. ^ This is why we don’t recommend mixing your own. We don’t know what you used, how it was measured, and so on – so it renders any feedback you post here totally useless for us. I don’t encourage rolling your own unless you seriously know what you’re doing. If you want to cut your concentration, send us a message and we can work with you. You can get a tool with precise concentration, mixed with glassware that costs hundreds of dollars per unit because of its accuracy. Plastic pipettes don’t offer the same peace of mind. Nevertheless, both 200 proof Perfumer’s Alcohol and plastic transfer pipettes are available in the shop if you really really want to play mad scientist. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/6 "2014-02-27T00:53:47Z")
Well I got a 30mL p83, 10mcg per spray. I want to try to go as low as 1 or 2 mcg per spray. I’ve tried it from around 10-90mcg and it seems to not provide any effects. I thought I’d try mixing in lower concentrations to try and see if this is what I need to do. I think ill for sure buy a pipette next order.. But I don’t know where to find the PA’s. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/7 "2014-02-27T01:40:23Z")
I bought PA and all those gadgets long ago but I’ve been mixing with 95% alcohol too. Don’t really know how it turned out, haven’t used it much. Also bought dpg from AD, that I’ve used more. You really should expand your oil supply beyond A314. Have to add I’m hesitant to buy any more of that particular item after the constant changes of formula. Used up two bottles but one wants to know what one gets when paying such a steep price. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/8 "2014-02-27T01:46:12Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Well I got a 30mL p83, 10mcg per spray. > I want to try to go as low as 1 or 2 mcg per spray. > I’ve tried it from around 10-90mcg and it seems to not provide any effects. > I thought I’d try mixing in lower concentrations to try and see if this is what I need to do. > I think ill for sure buy a pipette next order.. > But I don’t know where to find the PA’s. PA you can get from AD. I got mine in akuto. At the same time I ordered heavy [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) in akuto and requested cologne strength. Paid for it but it says 6% on the label. Not sure about the strength and find the scent rather weak, so I’ve been using the PA as cover. That wasn’t my original purpose for it. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/9 "2014-02-27T02:54:51Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > PA you can get from AD. I got mine in akuto. > At the same time I ordered heavy Ammo in akuto and requested cologne strength. Paid for it but it says 6% on the label. Not sure about the strength and find the scent rather weak, so I’ve been using the PA as cover. That wasn’t my original purpose for it. Yeah but where in AD do I find the PAs? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/10 "2014-02-27T04:07:28Z")
Quick question.. If I transfer some 10mcg/spray solution from a 30mL bottle to a Togo bottle, will it still be 10mcg/spray?? ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/11 "2014-02-27T04:09:53Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Quick question.. > > If I transfer some 10mcg/spray solution from a 30mL bottle to a Togo bottle, will it still be 10mcg/spray?? Not exactly, because the to go distributes less product per spray. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/12 "2014-02-27T04:15:58Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Not exactly, because the to go distributes less product per spray. What’s the ratio of how much product/spray between Togos and 30mLs? I mean I can tell the 30mL spray a whole lot more liquid so is there an exact amount of that the 30mL sprays and the Togo? How can someone mix and have the right amount of product if they don’t know these integers? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/13 "2014-02-27T04:26:15Z")
I just mixed 1 part p83 (10mcg/spray) from the 30mL bottle with ~3 parts bod spray in a empty Togo bottle. I eye-balled it so it isn’t exact and I am aware that the bod spray was probably not the best to mix with, but I’m trying to get a lesser dosage of my p83 to test it. I know the amount won’t be exact but if I could get a ballpark of how much p83 is sprayed on me, I can know how much would be appropriate for my signature. So I’m trying to figure how many mcg/spray I’ll have in the Togo bottle -roughly… My guess is since the ratio is 1:3, it will be 2.5mcg/ spray but how much is that in the Togo.? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/14 "2014-02-27T04:38:46Z")
Ok so according to my math.. The 30mL sprays 0.15mL/spray of the solution. And.. The Togo sprays 0.125mL/spray of the solution.. So it’s not too much of a difference. So if the 30mL sprays 10mcg/spray, The Togo would spray 8.3mcg/spray.. Mixed with a 1:3 ratio, I should get about 2mcg/spray of the p83… This seems to be perfectly where I want it to be.. To those who have any knowledge of mixing solutions and all that stuff please correct me if I’m wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/15 "2014-02-27T05:15:09Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > PA you can get from AD. I got mine in akuto. > At the same time I ordered heavy Ammo in akuto and requested cologne strength. Paid for it but it says 6% on the label. Not sure about the strength and find the scent rather weak, so I’ve been using the PA as cover. That wasn’t my original purpose for it. Misein, sorry to hear this. We can credit you for the mistake. Toss a note in at [support@androtics.com](mailto:support@androtics.com). > [@Jdub](#): > > Yeah but where in AD do I find the PAs? [30 mL Bottle :: Mixing Supplies :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) In the dropdowns, you can select Perfumer’s Alcohol, with your choice of fragrance and concentration. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/16 "2014-02-27T05:20:01Z")
Oh the drop down. Haha. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kodocha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kodocha/32/1467_2.png) [@Kodocha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kodocha)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/17 "2014-02-27T07:49:20Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Yeah but where in AD do I find the PAs? they are under the mixing supplies category. The 30ml bottle has a pulldown that lest you select empty or filled with DPG, PA, scented or not etc. > [@Jdub](#): > > Quick question.. > > If I transfer some 10mcg/spray solution from a 30mL bottle to a Togo bottle, will it still be 10mcg/spray?? not quite. tho togo iirc are about 85% actual sprayed ammount. so technically the consentration is the same but per spray you arent spraying as much per press of the atomizer. so 10mcg per spray from a press of a 30ml is about 8.5mcg if sprayed out of a togo. but only because of the volume actually sprayed. Damn didnt realize there was a second page and these questions were already answered. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 7:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/18 "2014-02-27T07:57:48Z")
> [@Kodocha](#): > > they are under the mixing supplies category. The 30ml bottle has a pulldown that lest you select empty or filled with DPG, PA, scented or not etc. > > not quite. tho togo iirc are about 85% actual sprayed ammount. so technically the consentration is the same but per spray you arent spraying as much per press of the atomizer. so 10mcg per spray from a press of a 30ml is about 8.5mcg if sprayed out of a togo. but only because of the volume actually sprayed. > > Damn didnt realize there was a second page and these questions were already answered. Nah, that’s perfect. You helped me out! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 9:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/19 "2014-02-27T09:18:18Z")
> [@Brian\_F](#): > > Misein, sorry to hear this. We can credit you for the mistake. Toss a note in at [support@androtics.com](mailto:support@androtics.com). It doesn’t matter. I made this order a couple of years ago and mentioned my worries about the scent of the heavy Ammo in some post but never bothered to go further with it. I still have half of it left. Not that it’s bad by any means, but I realized how much better default Ammo had been and ordered another one of those. FF21 has better projection or a more lingering effect. It seems to work on greater distance. I like both scents but akuto smells even better in A314 oil than in PA or Ammo. Still the PA is easily good enough to use as cover for anything. A question I dropped years ago and I believe John Sebastian said would be taken into consideration: Will you develop any other oil mixes? I mostly use such, like A7 and PI from Love Scent cause I’m not a fan of carrying anything around to refresh during the day or night. Those products are very crude though, especially PI which is just none. It’s ylang ylang scent however is delicious but maybe a bit feminine. You should make a good allrounder, like an amped up Ammo oil with P75 or something. I’d try it. P75 has good lasting power even as a spray. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/20 "2014-02-27T09:28:43Z")
Sorry that I hijacked your thread, Jdub. 🙂 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226.md?page=2)