# Mixing help? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 26, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226 "2014-02-26T22:03:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 7:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/21 "2014-03-02T07:58:54Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Sorry that I hijacked your thread, Jdub. 🙂 What goes around comes around. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/22 "2014-03-16T17:26:39Z")
I was just joking. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/23 "2014-03-16T17:28:26Z")
Hey I got a quick question. If I were to mix a mix with one of my colognes, will it be mixed evenly? Also, could the ingredients in the cologne degrade the -mones at all? Does it matter what brand of cologne? Haha sorry I guess it was a quick few questions. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 1:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/24 "2014-03-17T13:19:48Z")
Shake well, leave a while, shake again and you should be ok - Sprays mix easily, oils can take a lot longer - like twice daily shaking for ten days to two weeks. Yes, some cologne ingredients can damage pheros - generally the better quality colognes are mostly fine but cheaper ones can be laden with nasties like triclosan that will do for your pheros very effectively. About the only way to confirm is to check ingredients then mix a small amount first and try it over a couple of days. If you still get responses fine but if nothing, switch to a different cologne. ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/25 "2014-03-19T23:52:52Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > It doesn’t matter. I made this order a couple of years ago and mentioned my worries about the scent of the heavy Ammo in some post but never bothered to go further with it. > > I still have half of it left. Not that it’s bad by any means, but I realized how much better default Ammo had been and ordered another one of those. FF21 has better projection or a more lingering effect. It seems to work on greater distance. > I like both scents but akuto smells even better in A314 oil than in PA or Ammo. Still the PA is easily good enough to use as cover for anything. > > A question I dropped years ago and I believe John Sebastian said would be taken into consideration: Will you develop any other oil mixes? I mostly use such, like A7 and PI from Love Scent cause I’m not a fan of carrying anything around to refresh during the day or night. Those products are very crude though, especially PI which is just none. It’s ylang ylang scent however is delicious but maybe a bit feminine. > > You should make a good allrounder, like an amped up Ammo oil with P75 or something. I’d try it. P75 has good lasting power even as a spray. This is an interesting thought, and I’ve earmarked it in my ideas thread (hidden). We may be able to do a small run of this, esp if there appears to be some demand. Never say never? Oils are hard to get consistent, though. I have some ideas swirling re: best delivery package. I’ll keep you posted. Any other ideas of this sort, I’m glad to field. Sorry again, Jdub, we have hijacked your thread! > [@Jdub](#): > > I’ve tried it from around 10-90mcg and it seems to not provide any effects. > I thought I’d try mixing in lower concentrations to try and see if this is what I need to do.. Thought deeply about this and just updated the product catalog to reflect doses ranging from 125 nanograms to 5000 micrograms per spray. I’m thinking of running a low dose TUTH MX test too, because I get a lot of tickets about it. We prefer a light touch with Androstenone. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/26 "2014-03-20T00:21:25Z")
> [@Brian\_F](#): > > Sorry again, Jdub, we have hijacked your thread! > > Thought deeply about this and just updated the product catalog to reflect doses ranging from 125 nanograms to 5000 micrograms per spray. Haha it’s alright. Wow, yeah I saw the options go down way into low nano grams. Do people actually get effects from that low of dosage? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/27 "2014-03-20T01:38:22Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Haha it’s alright. > Wow, yeah I saw the options go down way into low nano grams. Do people actually get effects from that low of dosage? If you want to really understand androstenone, test it in nanograms. Start at 250 and go up until you see IOI. Test it often to find your sweet spot. This catalog update probably did more to advance testing than anything else in the past 5 years. TAF is best tested at 1 mcg, as is [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/). I would say 1.25 mcg -eNone is almost the universally optimum dose that balances negatives and positives. It is just slightly above the highest natural female “gym rat” levels. You might even get some good responses from bi or gay women who normally wouldn’t hit on a male signature. Women are not threatened by this level of -None because they have experienced other females. With a 2.5 mcg -eRone base, it sends a masculine vs. female alpha signature that is _non-threatening_ but sexual. A 1.25 reboot for TUTH and AMMO is not a bad idea. Nor is the same for A314. Note also that 1/2 spray TUTH is the colloquial recommendation for alpha females who like to wear -eNone. At work, 1.25 is pushing the envelope of sexuality appropriate for the office. I would go no higher than. I’m basing this on personal tests and the older axillary studies that gave male/female pMol ratios for -eNone. Assuming 10 mcg is the upper normal for men naturally (were talking 4 sprays of TUTH here), women have about 1/10 the the -None at the upper limit (measured in pmols). ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/28 "2014-03-20T01:42:57Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > If you want to really understand androstenone, test it in nanograms. Start at 250 and go up until you see IOI. Test it often to find your sweet spot. This catalog update probably did more to advance testing than anything else in the past 5 years. TAF is best tested at 1 mcg, as is P75. Maybe this is why I can’t get by with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/).?? Like I’ve mentioned, I went from 10mcg to 90 and I didn’t seem to benefit at all. Could it be I should try in nanos first, or at least really low mcgs, like 1 or 2..??? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/29 "2014-03-20T01:54:42Z")
One of the Instant products feels like stealth diffusion to me. If it isn’t by design, you should nevertheless use it as a prototype. It’s the stealthiest you’ve got. It feels like a ridiculously pure synthesis of the base molecule. Not the fragrance package. The package doesn’t even smell like neroli. > [@Brian\_F](#): > > This is an interesting thought, and I’ve earmarked it in my ideas thread (hidden). We may be able to do a small run of this, esp if there appears to be some demand. Never say never? > > Oils are hard to get consistent, though. I have some ideas swirling re: best delivery package. I’ll keep you posted. Any other ideas of this sort, I’m glad to field. > > Sorry again, Jdub, we have hijacked your thread! > > Thought deeply about this and just updated the product catalog to reflect doses ranging from 125 nanograms to 5000 micrograms per spray. > > I’m thinking of running a low dose TUTH MX test too, because I get a lot of tickets about it. We prefer a light touch with Androstenone. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/30 "2014-03-20T01:59:47Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Maybe this is why I can’t get by with P83.?? > > Like I’ve mentioned, I went from 10mcg to 90 and I didn’t seem to benefit at all. > Could it be I should try in nanos first, or at least really low mcgs, like 1 or 2..??? Personal opinion: the standard neroli package doesn’t work for some items. This is one. Dilute it in half with unfragranced perfumer’s alcohol or try a different cover scent. I think Androtics would have to MX test this in different frags. It’s one of these like BNOL that can sometimes sit there and do nothing or other times really light up. BNOL needs a trigger. 83 needs a convo or emotional trigger. TAF + 83 may do it. My climate is warm all year, so, if anything, I should need more fixative than less. Nevertheless, my tests work better with lighter DPG. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/31 "2014-03-20T03:11:22Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Personal opinion: the standard neroli package doesn’t work for some items. This is one. Dilute it in half with unfragranced perfumer’s alcohol or try a different cover scent. I think Androtics would have to MX test this in different frags. It’s one of these like BNOL that can sometimes sit there and do nothing or other times really light up. BNOL needs a trigger. 83 needs a convo or emotional trigger. TAF + 83 may do it. My climate is warm all year, so, if anything, I should need more fixative than less. Nevertheless, my tests work better with lighter DPG. So is the P83 a B-Nol.? Also what do you mean by [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) package doesn’t work.? And how do you fix this? Lastly, what “emotional trigger” can I use.? Will any of these work..?: IH, IS, TUTH, TAC..? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226/32 "2014-03-20T03:43:48Z")
> [@](#): > > So is the P83 a B-Nol.? It isn’t beta nol. It is somewhat similar. > [@](#): > > Also what do you mean by Neroli package doesn’t work.? And how do you fix this? I think the standard fixatives may be too strong and hindering diffusion. Take your regular spray of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and dilute in half. Then, use twice as many sprays. > [@](#): > > Lastly, what “emotional trigger” can I use.? Will any of these work..?:IH, IS, TUTH, TAC..? Try IH. TUTH, 314 and IG is also acceptable. Tacitus called it empathogen. It’s tough to see, but it’s there sometimes with TAF. P96 and TAL come close. 83 is closest to TAL. Wouldn’t surprise me if 83 was designed as a sustainable L replacement. Shortages of L had always been a problem. P102 is a little like this. JohnnyHard had it. 102 is a blend of nols and 83. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-help/61226.md?page=1)