# Mixing with other products. **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [March 20, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977 "2012-03-20T14:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![darkvalor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de0a6/32.png) [@darkvalor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkvalor)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/1 "2012-03-20T14:36:32Z")
On a different post someone told me to never mix A314 with IO because IO dulls the A314 effects. Are there any combinations people have found to be exceptionally good or exceptionally bad? I am currently using the theory of wearing A314 for my regular daily interaction and adding a couple sprays of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) when I am meeting women. I have seen many more people recommending A314 with TUTH then AMMO. Does anyone have any opinions on how those matches compare? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/2 "2012-03-21T03:38:19Z")
It depends on how you are using the A314 and neither of these mixes compare - both are good in different situations. For me, with a normal workday dose of A314 - 2 drops, I would add a normal dose of Ammo but where I am going to a club and want to make the most of TUTH/A314, I would go with a deliberately higher dose of A314 - 4-5drops and a **small** amount of TUTH. The idea here is to use TUTH as a steering element to turn the A314 sig in a very sexual direction. However this is not one for more social/sociable interaction and meeting people - Its for times when you both know what you want. In fact some of my best results with A314/TUTH have involved minimal convesation! Oh and where you say mixing - do remember that if you are using A314 in oil, you need to keep the application points apart. If you spray over an oil application (or vice-versa) you will wreck diffusion completely. A314 spray is fine to layer with though. Yes, I’ve repeatedly found A314 and IO together to be a very poor mix - The IO just wrecks the A314 vibe comprehensively. If faced with the need to tone down the A314, I would either use a smaller dose of A314 to begin with or IH/IS which lightens the A314 feel, still loosens tounges in a steered happy way but complements A314’s qualities superbly. The other phero I’ve found that turns A314 into a high-status talk-monster is P114. It also has a “tell me what you want me to do” quality! 😃 Another product I’d avoid using around A314 is [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) or MX390 - This one does get results but I find it confusing and ultimately unproductive. People tend to respond best to one or the other in far better ways but just don’t know how to take me if I wear both. I’ve got an idea that the rone in A314 may not sit well with the 297/390 signals - In a similar vein, I’ve also found that whilst Ammo (which also contains rone) does work alongside 297/390 it does not work nearly as well as a similar dose of TUTH, or TUTH/Anol or just plain none. ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 11:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/3 "2012-03-21T11:34:13Z")
In my limited Phero experience I have been mixing A314 with a couple of other things… A314 & Instant Shine (1d:2s) at work has been great, I have still gained all the respect elements of A314 but not scared anyone from engaging with me, it can get a bit too chatty at times but I’ve always been the ‘leader’ of any conversation. A314 & Androstenone (1d:3s) (not at work) doesn’t really buffer the A314 much, although I had some fantastic / saucy reactions from some females and nothing negative from any males, this combo definately intimidated a few people and they respectfully chose not to make eye contact 😉 On advise from others here I am going to get some [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) to use with A314 at work with the aim of getting a bit more serious (less social) conversation going. ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/4 "2012-03-27T09:11:13Z")
I love a314 with io. Just adds some friendliness to you I still get tons of respect and people are less afraid I’m 6’220 and muscular and not smiling unless I feel like it. Hence io makes me more approachable ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/5 "2012-04-10T14:11:46Z")
A314 and IH is very powerful in professional or settings where it is helpful that people trust and respect you. My boss has brought me in many times with customers during a site visit to help “close” the deal. His response as to why, “because people just trust your word more.” Granted he is a golden tongue salesperson, but I am more of the Tech who makes it all work. I have caught a whiff of A314 on a few car salesmen, even talked to a few about it, they deny it initially. ---
**Author:** ![Newb2this](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Newb2this](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newb2this)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/6 "2012-04-17T11:28:07Z")
This is an interesting thread, because I’ve been tossing up an idea I’ve had for a long time. You see I want to share my Phero’s with a friend nonchalantly…by just kind of leaving it around, and I’ve thought long and hard about this. I have been thinking of A314 this whole time, because this person is in a business position where I would love to see him use it. The problem is, its a hard one to start with, let alone learn how to apply \<“drop”\>. So I was thinking of leaving a bottle of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) in the bathroom, and maybe adding a couple of drops of A314. My question: How many drops of A314 should I add to a new bottle of IS to achieve a great effect? Edit: Just took a look at the bottle. I am afraid of using Instant Shine because it has a huge Pherotalk logo on the front. Ammunition looks ok… Any suggestions on how to do this. I think you guys get my drift here. I know a label is necessary as it is kind of ethical to let someone know too. **Edit:** Nevermind, I think I’m just going to go with an Instant Shine togo bottle lying around 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/7 "2012-04-17T13:21:12Z")
Do not mix A314 oil with alcohol base pheros - It simply will not diffuse properly! If you must go this route, try mixing one of the A314 sprays but even this is a highly unpredictable proposition as there is no way you can sweet spot for him. Far better to give him an intro to this forum and see if he wants to come on here himself IMO. And if he is resistant to the idea, well that is absolutely his choice too. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/8 "2012-04-18T05:58:18Z")
I’ve mixed A314 will all kinds of products and it does fare best on it’s own or with IH and also with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). That’s why I don’t use it when I go to bars anymore, because I want more approachable and attractive mixes in those situations. But then I remembered one thing that made it work well in the night time settings: Alpha7. It’s been a while since I used it, namely last summer. During the hot season I wanted oil base stuff when I went out because usually I go out much earlier then than I do in the winter, and the alcohol based stuff wears off rapidly in the summer heat. The only oil bases I had were A314, A7 and Primal Instinct. So I tried two drops of A314 and one drop of A7, which proved to be a good mix. Adds more none but also a little bit more androsterone. With mobo’s tip of putting on lotion before applying the mones, that mix lasts loooong even in the summertime. Using socials with it works, but they wear off quickly so you may need to carry a togo for refreshing purposes. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/9 "2012-04-18T14:21:03Z")
Yes, I’ve recently been getting to grips with A7 and A314, whilst Alter Ego is a longstanding favourite companion to A314 for me. Especially for its slowburn effect if I’m going to be going to be spending a fair bit of time in close proximity to someone. 🙂 The lotion idea was Radman’s originally - he deserves the credit/thanks for doing the legwork there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/10 "2012-04-20T01:20:05Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes, I’ve recently been getting to grips with A7 and A314, whilst Alter Ego is a longstanding favourite companion to A314 for me. Especially for its slowburn effect if I’m going to be going to be spending a fair bit of time in close proximity to someone. 🙂 > > The lotion idea was Radman’s originally - he deserves the credit/thanks for doing the legwork there. 🙂 Yes, I remember you like AE with your A314. I’ve only tried it once or twice, the only times I’ve tried AE at all. Will whip it out and give that combo a few more starts (more once proven good) when the hot season is here. Long summer nights…Can’t have enough oil base stuff to tinker with. ---
**Author:** ![Newb2this](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Newb2this](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newb2this)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/11 "2012-04-21T20:45:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Do not mix A314 oil with alcohol base pheros - It simply will not diffuse properly! > > If you must go this route, try mixing one of the A314 sprays but even this is a highly unpredictable proposition as there is no way you can sweet spot for him. > > Far better to give him an intro to this forum and see if he wants to come on here himself IMO. And if he is resistant to the idea, well that is absolutely his choice too. What about ToGo sizes, and A314 Aerosol. Are you saying Oil may Congeal like Cream on Water? Are you a Resolute Chemist at [Pherotalk.com](http://Pherotalk.com), a great Reviewer, or saying that you can’t mix Alcohol with A314? Make me your COO homey! ;D ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/12 "2012-04-22T01:36:44Z")
The togos are in alcohol and there is no A314 aerosol. Although mixing from these is possible, it is inadvisable is because you simply don’t know the doses of either phero that work for him and just spraying-in a few sprays of A314 (or vice versa) will dilute it too much to be effective. Similarly adding drops of oil and then diluting the oil will completely alter the diffusion properties - which is likely to lead to a big over or under dose. ---
**Author:** ![Newb2this](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Newb2this](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newb2this)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/13 "2012-04-22T14:14:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The togos are in alcohol and there is no A314 aerosol. > > Although mixing from these is possible, it is inadvisable is because you simply don’t know the doses of either phero that work for him and just spraying-in a few sprays of A314 (or vice versa) will dilute it too much to be effective. > > Similarly adding drops of oil and then diluting the oil will completely alter the diffusion properties - which is likely to lead to a big over or under dose. Thanks! I think ethically tho, I won’t give it. But I may try this (heed your advice) for myself tho. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mixing-with-other-products/54977/14 "2012-04-23T04:30:24Z")
Better to try layering first IMO, at least till you find the proportion of sprays of each that work best - Then yes, once you know how much of each to use, mixing-up a togo to carry with you is quite practical. 🙂