# More than just pheromones... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [April 24, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774 "2008-04-24T23:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wordsmith419](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@wordsmith419](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wordsmith419)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/1 "2008-04-24T23:47:12Z")
I’ve been reading around these forums to get a sense and an idea on how these actually work. After awhile I found an interesting read on congruence. I’ve had moderate success in life in all aspects. I’ve had my ups and downs in weight and how in shape I am. I’ve never had good posture. From what I read, for these to work you gotta be the part, not just smell it. A guy said its 90% you and 10% mones. I gotta make that 90 match the 10! I guess i just thought of a poor guy getting out of a Ferrari or something. I ordered 5 different [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), and they’re not here yet. Honestly, I don’t think I plan on using them for awhile. Whats the point of giving off the signals that your something your not? So heres where my story’s gonna begin. My goal is for true (well as close as possible) congruency! Step 1: I’m ordering up a book on posture to help improve my self image! I may be taking a different route than most beginners, but whatever… (ps for those who read my intro post, i’ve basically resigned to the fact that I am gonna by buying rounds of beers when I go back home haha! I’m pretty much sold on mones, and haven’t even used any!) ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/2 "2008-04-25T00:08:59Z")
Good and realistic goals 🙂 You got great plans, time for actions 😃 Some reps to get you started! ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/3 "2008-04-25T00:41:50Z")
I think just about all of us on the board are working on self improvement in one form or another. It’s what draws us together here. I’m glad you saw the thread on congruence…it’s important but don’t let it stop you from trying your pheromones. That’s the great thing about them. You can learn to use them while improving other parts of your life. One note on posture, it’s a habit. I’m working on mine by walking every morning and forcing myself to look up and ahead instead of down at my feet. It takes practice!! But after just a few weeks of practice I go everywhere that way. Pretend there’s a balloon pulling your chest up and walk around ( I think the phrase is D\*ck First) 🙂 Welcome and Have Fun!!! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/4 "2008-04-25T01:56:38Z")
Hey nothing wrong with reinventing yourself, but the key to doing that productively is **not waiting** to participate in life. Reason being is that there will always be something else about yourself you want to improve or work on. Its the journey thats fun and I feel you should start using your pheromones and working on those improvements you want to make and still get out there and participate. One tip on posture, You dont need to buy a book on posture really. Laugh all you want but it works and they still use this method in modeling classes. Grab any book off the shelf and put it on your head and walk around. You have no choice but to have perfect posture and make eye contact and if you practive enough it will just come natural to you. Oh that 90% 10% is just a rough estimate and a general outlook to have. Congruancy is important. If you use IO for instance its not going to help if your not open and friendly in conversation. It dosnt mean you have to be perfect though. Mones can and do help the less then perfect although I am one of those people that believe that perfection is in a persons imperfections. Its those imperfections which make them interesting individuals. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![wordsmith419](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@wordsmith419](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wordsmith419)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/5 "2008-04-25T03:41:44Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hey nothing wrong with reinventing yourself, but the key to doing that productively is **not waiting** to participate in life. > > Reason being is that there will always be something else about yourself you want to improve or work on. Its the journey thats fun and I feel you should start using your pheromones and working on those improvements you want to make and still get out there and participate. > > One tip on posture, You dont need to buy a book on posture really. Laugh all you want but it works and they still use this method in modeling classes. Grab any book off the shelf and put it on your head and walk around. You have no choice but to have perfect posture and make eye contact and if you practive enough it will just come natural to you. > > Oh that 90% 10% is just a rough estimate and a general outlook to have. Congruancy is important. If you use Instant Openness for instance its not going to help if your not open and friendly in conversation. It dosnt mean you have to be perfect though. pheromones can and do help the less then perfect although I am one of those people that believe that perfection is in a persons imperfections. Its those imperfections which make them interesting individuals. 😉 > > Tisha Well, thats just the first step. I ordered it already, might as well use the system in it. Besides thats only the first step haha. I’ll be updating this a lot and not just about pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/6 "2008-04-25T05:00:32Z")
A man with confidence is hot as hell. I don’t care what he looks like. There’s just something about the way confident men walk, talk and behave. It’s beguiling because he knows who he is, what he has to offer. The pheromones just give you an edge. But you are definitely on the right track. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 6:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/7 "2008-04-25T06:00:33Z")
Hey wordsmith! Welcome to PT! A lot of us are continually attempting to improve ourselves. I’ll come forward and state that I am in the process of reinventing myself as well. There are many people here to have incredible resources to share with you. I have learned a lot about self-development here, just as much as pheromones. I will agree with Tisha and suggest you try some of the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) at least, to get a feel for them. Besides, it’s really a blast using them. The fact that you’re concerned about congruency is good, because a lot of guys come here looking for that magic bullet. So you have a healthy perspective on pheromones. But as Tisha said, _learn by living_. I’ll be honest and say that was a big lesson for me this year. And boy have I learned a lot. Enjoy and report back every now and then! ---
**Author:** ![wordsmith419](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@wordsmith419](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wordsmith419)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/8 "2008-04-27T05:22:35Z")
Well, I figured I would update because I made some decent observations. Being confident is a complete package. I’ve been trying to be self-aware with my posture, and I think I’ve been improving. One thing I noticed though is my eye contact is terrible. Being the intellectual closet nerd I am, a quick [google.com](http://google.com) search yielded me this site. [succeedsocially.com](http://succeedsocially.com). There was tips on making eye contact, however the author of the column said why he didn’t make eye contact before. And it makes sense. I’m typically the analytical type, and I tend to focus on what I am thinking on (and sometimes even ignore the person!). I noticed when you carry yourself in a confident manner, yet don’t make eye contact, it can send mixed signals. Just like like combining A314 or another pheromone that creates displays of higher value and poor body language. From what I noticed about congruence, it isn’t just about pheromones, its the whole package. My pheros should be delivered on monday. Still haven’t decided when / how I am gonna use them yet. Not loading up on pheromones… JUST LOADING UP ON KNOWLEDGE! ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/9 "2008-04-28T00:20:28Z")
Yes, not maintaining eye contact doesn’t always stem from lack of confidence. I realized after a couple trips to Korea, that not many people would look me in the eye. I later found out that culturally, it’s considered a sign of disrespect or a challenge if you look an elder in the eye. I was probably raised with this behavior, the behavior ingrained into my childhood experiences, thus it’s hard to break the pattern, but I try. Another aspect, being a somewhat a closet geek myself, I love to multitask. Unfortunately, sometimes that means looking around and analyzing my environment while conversing with someone. That’s a habit I would like to break, and develop into full focus only on the conversation. Keep it up! ---
**Author:** ![wordsmith419](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@wordsmith419](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wordsmith419)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/10 "2008-05-06T21:48:39Z")
Alrighty, here’s an update. I’ve been watching my posture more closely, and I’ve noticed people seem to respect my personal area more. Combined with eye contact I feel I have been doing pretty well. I’ve been better about it, so I’m trying IS 1.1. Only 1 shot. It felt weird when I put it on. I’ve been kinda light headed for 30 min, but at the same time it kinda feels good haha. I plan on sticking with 1 shot for awhile. Then bumping up at a later point. I want to make sure I notice how people respond / how I feel. At the same time, I plan to still improve myself over the course of this time. Going to dinner, will update later in the week. ---
**Author:** ![wordsmith419](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@wordsmith419](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wordsmith419)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/11 "2008-05-09T16:47:21Z")
I like IS a lot. I feel more cheerful, and smile more. People smile more at me, as well as go out of their way to talk to me more. 2 shots works well for me. I’m gonna try the rest out this weekend / next week. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/12 "2008-05-09T18:35:07Z")
Yea, IS is the SHIT! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wordsmith419](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@wordsmith419](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wordsmith419)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/13 "2008-05-11T18:51:58Z")
Wow, I OD on none so easy. 2 shots and I am OD. Let me tell you, ODing is such a weird experience. Its like all of a sudden you have fallen off the face of the earth. I tried 2 shots of ammo, and all of a sudden people were really quiet, and people didn’t make eye contact. I fell strange, almost out of place. Right now I like the social pheros the most. Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). This helps especially since I am perceived as being shy / overly serious. ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/14 "2008-05-13T12:35:27Z")
we’re blooooood brothers! ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-than-just-pheromones/11774/15 "2008-05-31T15:03:09Z")
I reccomend looking into self hypnosis if you want to try other ideas for self improvement. Listening to various hypnosis recordings has done wonders for me over the past month. Never been more confident about myself. 🙂 Just thinking now that if I get a new wardrobe, start going out and socialising and adding these dark magics we are all talking about on this site, I will start living the life Ive always wanted… or at least, I’ll get getting there. 😃