# Musings - A314, mx297, P74, P78, P79, P83 ++.. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 15, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757 "2011-06-15T20:18:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/1 "2011-06-15T20:18:53Z")
I should be asleep now but what the heck I’ve been having an interesting run of mones of late. **[MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)** remains my all on top mix. Consistent effects on others and self, its incredible. Everyone is comfortable talking to you. You’re comfortable being both quiet and chatty. Even making slight conversational faux pas doesn’t make you overly self conscious and people don’t mind much. This is one mx that makes me dream of what is was like to live in the days of mx353 and the panty scorchers when mixes were so effective and potent. MX297 with Ammo and maybe a spray of IS and or IH is… W00T493 **A314** remains a good and faithful product when it comes to work for me. The self effects are starting to diminish however its great for work and when I hang around alpha and dominant types, it helps me blend right in the pack. P74 has been a great addition to A314, even better than IH or IS. **P74** is good sauce. I need more time to test it, but so far its been a happy kind of molecule for me. Its best worne with A314. Not much going for it when worne with mx297. When worne with A314, I haven’t noticed much of the purported “teamwork” effects yet but I’ve noticed an increase in male camaraderie. Be careful though that this molecule either drains energy or makes camaraderie so good and intense that you spend energy and then become tired. Haven’t noticed any crush or instant boyfriend effect from P74. More testing needed. **P79** is a little bit of a head scratcher. I haven’t noticed anything by itself, neither have I noticed the “amplifying” effects of P79. I have stopped testing it solo for now and taken to applying it like P83 in good faith (of past reports) in mixes for clubbing nights **P78** never have I been ever more conscious of not to fall into a needy or clingy state when on P78. Seems to make girls happy, has also helped me considerably with a specific girl, however its the only putative whose negative effects outweight the good effects for me (seemed like someone tried to make a putative A1 and this happened. I know this is supposed to make guys frisky or girls feel sexy but I haven’t seen it yet). I’ve been testing it occasionally to make sure its not imagined or placebo-ic. This molecule makes me tired. **P83** supposedly helps reduce space, but then again doesn’t. P51 isn’t alone, I’m still undecided on P83, although I’ve had pretty good runs with P83 in mixes but because its a mix, I can’t nail if P83 is helping it work because by itself I get some space reduction and on others days nada. **Ammo** I’m starting to feel more confident self effects on this one. A314 gives me a slight buzz, while ammo somehow gives an overpowering feel, sort of like if I have too much on, I’d get a headache kind of feel. Its great when coupled with IS, its even better with mx297. I haven’t gotten much when I’ve put it together with A314. Ammo however doesn’t come across to me as a standalone product **TUTH** one spray of TUTH coupled with some IS has gotten me some good hits but not solid ones. It has allowed me to be more flirty (yes it makes you more flirty) it makes me a little more aggressive, but somehow in the right setting, the women actually take to the flirting. I’m honestly looking to try TUTH with P86 and P83 Things I might try MX297 + IJ (I seriously wanna try this) IG + P74 P83 + P86 P83 + TUTH P83 + P86 + TUTH P79 + IS P79 + A314 Morale of the story? MX297 rocks. It rocks better than Ammo. It rocks better WITH Ammo. It rocks better than A314. It rocks better than IS. It rocks better than… I’d buy a gallon of the stuff. Morale of the morale of the story? Go get it. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/2 "2011-06-15T20:31:50Z")
Interesting enough, I get that same sort of feeling with ammo. I don’t know what it is, but it mostly happens with the F22 scent pack and not akuto..akuto just fuckin’ rocks. It’s hit or miss, I’ve got one girl that I am totally uninterested in, but she just won’t leave me alone when I’m rockin’ ammo with akuto. But to get back to your thoughts on the various products. Yeah ammo gives me that headache kind of loopy feel after applying it. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) you should definitely test it solo. Go back into my journal after you do so and maybe compare notes. I got the disinhibitor effect, the lack of space effect, but recently I noticed the clingy effect, but that was in a mix. I don’t see IJ in your list, definitely try it. I used to be so afraid of IJ and TUTH and keeping it in appropriate settings, but I now use it on a regular basis…I will probably post more about it in another thread so as not to derail the topic here. But great post man…great insight. I’ve always liked your thoughts on things around here…keep up the good work. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/3 "2011-06-15T20:51:49Z")
I left IO and IH out because they’re just… Too consistent (not a bad thing. VERY GOOD actually) I left IG out because its been on the back burner. I only have it on when I feel lazy and don’t think I might be meeting or doing something really important and then I throw it on with some IS or if I’m meeting a client that I probably don’t wanna come across as too alpha and I put it on. Perhaps a nunnery visit is on the cards. > [@thegentleman](#): > > Interesting enough, I get that same sort of feeling with ammo. I don’t know what it is, but it mostly happens with the F22 scent pack and not akuto..akuto just fuckin’ rocks. It’s hit or miss, I’ve got one girl that I am totally uninterested in, but she just won’t leave me alone when I’m rockin’ ammo with akuto. > > But to get back to your thoughts on the various products. Yeah ammo gives me that headache kind of loopy feel after applying it. > > P83 you should definitely test it solo. Go back into my journal after you do so and maybe compare notes. I got the disinhibitor effect, the lack of space effect, but recently I noticed the clingy effect, but that was in a mix. > > I don’t see IJ in your list, definitely try it. I used to be so afraid of IJ and TUTH and keeping it in appropriate settings, but I now use it on a regular basis…I will probably post more about it in another thread so as not to derail the topic here. > > But great post man…great insight. I’ve always liked your thoughts on things around here…keep up the good work. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/4 "2011-06-15T22:50:40Z")
It’s unexpected that you glorify 297 to that extent 😃 now watch it go out of stock 😮 i got like 4-5 togos of mx297 loool. i still cant draw definite conclusion on what it exactly does to me and how people react to me when i have it on. nice post! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/5 "2011-06-16T04:46:09Z")
To be honest, initially mx297 didn’t really do much for me as I didn’t know what I was looking for It deserves to be glorified I’m hoping it won’t go out of stock. Judging from what I’m seeing, I think AD plans to make this commercial, sometime since they’re constantly restocking it. They’ve probably found somewhere reliable and cost efficient to make alot of this. If it ever does go out of stock though, I’d be one sad sad man. > [@PheroJack](#): > > It’s unexpected that you glorify 297 to that extent 😃 now watch it go out of stock 😮 > i got like 4-5 togos of mx297 loool. i still cant draw definite conclusion on what it exactly does to me and how people react to me when i have it on. > > nice post! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/6 "2011-06-16T22:33:03Z")
Sorry guys, removed certain portions and edited out some stuff due to personal real life reasons. Could a mod shift this to the journals section please? Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/7 "2011-06-21T16:17:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > MX297 with Ammo and maybe a spray of IS and or IH is… W00T493 Hi, Johnny. Yesterday, after some reading, i was thinking about wearing that exact mix to an all day event. There will be some old friends, a lot of unknown people, and some attracive late 20´s - mid 30´s ladies I might like to flirt with. It´s great you have used it, so i can borrow some of your wisdom I was wondering… how often do you think i need to refresh each ingredient? I guess i will at least be there for about 8 hours, with a dinner in between. I don´t want -none to accumulate and cause an OD if i re-aply ammo, lets say after 4 hours. Should i clean with some alcohol the points where i sprayed ammo first, and then apply it again, for the second time? Is in your experience Mx297 a good buffer for none? I will give the mix a try first, maybe tomorrow, in a more relaxed environment, as i don´t want to feel awkward during the event. I just want it to upgrade the experience. Anyway, i´d really like to know your thougts about it. It would be also great to know your opinion about what proportions to use. I was thinking about using: 3x [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) 3x Ammo 2x IS. Thanks. Talk to you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/8 "2011-06-21T23:46:05Z")
Have you checked out the mx297 mix repository yet? That’s a good thread to check out too, its got a good wealth of information on the mx.3 sprays of mx297 is good, application points go for chest, back where neck meets back (just in case you want to put IH or IO on your neck) and 1 more on either side of your neck.I usually go for nothing more than 2 sprays of ammo, sometimes even, only 1 as my target/s are girls between the age of 18-27. Application points, depends. If you’re going to be dancing or looking to “hit harder”, wear 1 shot on the other side of the neck you aren’t wearing mx297. The 2nd spray you could have it on your stomach or layered on top the mx297.IS could go on your hair, and face. You could also have a shot to the neck.If its outdoors refresh your IS every 1-2 hours. If its indoors refresh IS every 3-4 hours, if you’re dancing/clubbing refresh every 1 hour. I usually carry a bottle of ISX2 with me and refresh as and when needed.If you do need to refresh mx297, 1 shot after 4-5 hours will do. I’ve only ever tried refreshing with mx297 twice. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) does the attraction for you and IS usually keeps you up there. I usually start spraying IH or IO (or both) on once I’ve more or less settled my targets or intentions for the night.You could swap out the ammo for tuth but the only times I’ve tried it didn’t give me as good results as I had with ammo. Seems that the TUTH does attract the 30s crowd tho.What you could do is wear ammo earlier on, find a target, grab your dinner with or without her, refresh after dinner (or just before if you’re eating with her). Make her comfortable and go put on 1 spray of TUTH and make sure you buffer it with IS and/or IH. I’ve realised TUTH works better many times after you’ve established comfort with those around you. I think it amps things up when you come back with it, rather than give a “shock” when you arrive with it. > [@extraballislit](#): > > Hi, Johnny. Yesterday, after some reading, i was thinking about wearing that exact mix to an all day event. There will be some old friends, a lot of unknown people, and some attracive late 20´s - mid 30´s ladies I might like to flirt with. It´s great you have used it, so i can borrow some of your wisdom > > I was wondering… how often do you think i need to refresh each ingredient? I guess i will at least be there for about 8 hours, with a dinner in between. I don´t want -none to accumulate and cause an OD if i re-aply ammo, lets say after 4 hours. Should i clean with some alcohol the points where i sprayed ammo first, and then apply it again, for the second time? Is in your experience Mx297 a good buffer for none? > > I will give the mix a try first, maybe tomorrow, in a more relaxed environment, as i don´t want to feel awkward during the event. I just want it to upgrade the experience. Anyway, i´d really like to know your thougts about it. > > It would be also great to know your opinion about what proportions to use. I was thinking about using: > 3x MX297 > 3x Ammo > 2x IS. > > Thanks. > > Talk to you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/9 "2011-06-21T23:47:20Z")
Ok I’m sorry, if it looks messy. I don’t know why but it seems that all my posts cannot have spaces between them. Somehow they’re all lumped together.Does anyone know how to fix this? I’m on IE8 ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/10 "2011-06-22T13:14:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > Ok I’m sorry, if it looks messy. I don’t know why but it seems that all my posts cannot have spaces between them. Somehow they’re all lumped together.Does anyone know how to fix this? I’m on IE8 Hey Johnny, I think it was just a forum glitch as I was having the same issues on FF for a bit. It happened only when using the quick reply feature instead of going into “advanced post” or whatever. If you’re looking to reply w/ proper spacing, try the advanced post feature. ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/11 "2011-06-22T15:32:05Z")
Hey Gun, I was actually reading your post on [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and i had amazing rusults as per your application. I use 3 x MX297 neck and side neck 3x AMMO to upper chest troat area and 2 x IS on forearm all i can say this his a winning combo for me. Defenetly alot of attraction there. Iam looking on mixing it up with the MX297 and AMMO combo ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/12 "2011-06-22T21:22:49Z")
Hi, Johnny. I have already read the repository. I did it yesterday, right after writing the post you have kindly answered in detail. I have tried this combo today, with 2x AMMO, 2xSHINE and 2 and 1/2 sprays MX390 instead of 297, because i have a full to go of 390, but only a little 297. They are the supposed to be same mix buth a different scent package; but i like [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) scent best than FF21. Anyway, whenever i put that mix on, i start feeling kind of anxious for a while. It takes me about half an hour to really relax. I remember this used to happen to me about three weeks ago, wearing a combo of MX297 with IG, that TheGentleman recomended me for sales. Maybe, it´s the quantity of mones in it, i don´t really know. Has anyone noticed something similar? Keep in mind i´ve been only using mones for about 7 weeks. Anyway, I´ve been to the library, to return a book, and to read some literature magazines; Some interest from a couple of cute girls, early 20´s, but nothing really out of the ordinary. Not the best place to start a conversation, anyway. Later, in the supermarket, i was following throug the isles a hot girl who coought my eye. When we were going to cross our paths in a narrow place, she has stoped suddenly, almost taking one step back, to give me way, and has given me a strange look. Don´t know what to think about that. Then, in the chek out, the cashier has given me extra long eye contact, and seeemed to be feeling something, like a big emotion or something. I´ll give it another go tomorrow. I´ll keep you posted. Talk to you soon ---
**Author:** ![Hausofpleasure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hausofpleasure](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hausofpleasure)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/musings-a314-mx297-p74-p78-p79-p83/50757/13 "2011-10-26T12:29:24Z")
I find it interesting that the results from your experience testing [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) is very similar to that of P74 in that it makes for a really perceivable elevation in the general quality of one’s social interactions. Have you tried using MX297 with P75 in micro doses (2.5-5mcg)? My experiences with P75 with P74 have only enhanced the social attraction component of P74. It would also be interesting if anyone could comment if they have noticed a difference between the effects of P74 and MX297.