# MX 297 - Dropping Knowledge **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 13, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301 "2013-06-13T21:59:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/23 "2013-06-27T23:09:17Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > As a MX, it’s enjoyed far more longevity than most. Some have said that it’s got TAH. Don’t know. TAH has never been exactly cheap or plentiful. That being true, launching 297 as a consumer product at, say, $49.95…I don’t know how the economics work out. There was a time when they actually discontinued Sexiness due to shortages; it would be a heartbreaker for women no doubt.☹ Mx297 has been on the launch pad to become a consumer line product for a few years now, if that is the case and it would not be economical to produce then why not say that, John himself has recently said that it is something he is pushing for, so I’m assuming he sees it as a viable option. ---
**Author:** ![Jojje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Jojje](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jojje)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/24 "2013-07-02T17:40:27Z")
my first test of togo mx297 first 2 sprays, later 2 more… got some looks but nothing much when it came to party opening etc extra fun… 1 dude was really fucking hanging on me and talketive etc way to close to my comfort sone.. wil be testing more this summer but at this time i dont seem to have found my dosage for epic mx297 feel. But more tests wil come 😃 ---
**Author:** ![up-mygame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@up-mygame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/up-mygame)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/25 "2013-07-13T13:13:13Z")
Yo Kimba, Thanks dude! Really got a lot from this breakdown and looking to put some of these combos together. I’m in my 50’s and new to “mones” and I’m finding how important the RIGHT mix is. I was comtemplating IG/297 but pausing now that I’ve read your comments. Also thinking that my age and around mature women or more professional women that combo may work better for me…what do you think? I take Salsa lessons and looking I’m looking for a nice combo for class; looking for the women to want to be around me/and with me both on and off the dance floor. What I have: **IS (To-go)/IG/TUTH/IO (To-go)/P130 (sample)/[MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)/AMMO**. Looking to add some P83 in a couple of weeks but this is what I have. Going over to check out Pago as well, but really looking for your thoughts if you don’t mind. Also have a meet and greet sponsored by [Match.com](http://Match.com) in a couple of weeks. What’s best combo from what I have? How many sprays of each, etc…! This is an exciting new experience and really looking to get a handle on it. I’m an above average looking guy and I don’t look my 52 yrs. just to give you an idea of myself. Looking forward to any feedback… Thanks for dropping some knowledge!🆒 > [@KIMBA](#): > > MX 297 is my favorite product, ever. It is congruent with how outrageous I like to be. So I decided to post my musings on it and combinations which work best with it. > > 1. 297 + eNone. > > eNone is the primary ingredient in TuTH. 297’s vibe can be killed by too much none, but TuTH at double strength is good. > > I also have used and use eNone in the form of Domination, NPA, straight eNone and Ammo. Summer Ammo is not as good in this as normal Ammo. Domination and NPA are both products from another company, but they contain a lot of None. Works well because Ammo does contain other stuff! > > 1. 297 + P 75 > > P75 is a lot like aNone to me, kinda sensual aggressive vibe. For younger guys who are not able to pull off the eNone P75 does work. > > P75 give 297 a more masculine feel. > > 1. 297 + P96 > > This combination is from the Vet Pago. Pago is a wizard. I suggest you look up all his posts and memorize them. > > P96 does add a sensual and romantic vibe to 297. Many complain 297 is a friend vibe, which is a lie. But you need to act on 297 to get it working. Add 96 and 297 opens up and is more crush like. > > 1. 297 + IH + P83 > > You can run 297 with just IH or just P83. A lot of guys do this. 297 already has some disinhibition to it, so P83 in a low dose helps really get the blood flowing. People are more willing to connect and be honest with you and this mix. > > 1. 390 and Impi > > Impi, a product from another vendor, is a social with eNone and a secret ingredient. Slow building attraction, which is prime on young girls. Add it to 390 or 297 and over the course of a night, or a date, she starts as buddy buddy touchy best friend to naked in your lap. 390’s scent matches a couple Impi’s. > > 1. 297 + Beta-Nol + P83 + NPA > > This is my best/favorite 297 mix EVER. Beta-Nol is the main ingredient in IH, and half of the legendary CTTM mix. It is a molecule which screams “I know you, lets share secrets”. IH can work, but IH has steering molecules in it which can muddle the water. > > To get people to try this I will share one story from this mix. My friends GF was giving me a back massage at a bar. She starts making sexual jokes. The sniffs my neck and offers me a blowjob. The rest of the night she keep trying to kiss me. She also shared how she would have sex with me. My friend was a couple feet away! > > 1. 297 + IS + Ammo > > Timeless classic 297 mix. My least favorite. It is a tad buddy buddy for my liking because ammo is like that for me. > > IS is a look at me, I am healthy addition to 297. This one is great on REALLY young girls. > > These are the best 297 mx’s I have tried. I am about 22, and have used about 7 to-go’s of mx 390, and a couple dozen 297. > > Secrets to 297 success: > > Be a dick. Be the sarcastic guy who laughs at his own jokes and has fun. Ride out the 297 and do as you want. > > Dont be afraid to be the touchy guy! Women drop their guards on 297! > > For Club Game, 297 destroys bitch shields! > > 297 is NOT FRIENDZONE! You kids do not know what you are talking about! I have been seduced many times on 297, no work involved. Girls PICK ME. A little alcohol, they feel randy, and BOOM. Easy walk in the park. > > Every 297 batch is different. Could be purity, could be tweaks to get it consumer line ready. How I buy 297 is when I need it I buy one to-go, then test. Good batch, I buy a LOT. Bad I wait. Bad Batches are just less “LOOK AT ME I AM A GOD” and more “I AM FUN, AND IF I START A CONVERSATION YOU WILL LOVE ME.” > > Yes, I said God. 297 can get you the best DIHL reactions. Head turning, “HEY THIS GUY IS COOL” looks. > > 297 is the cool smooth operator. Rock star. Everyone is your friend. Guys get touchy with you. > > Pago taught me this trick, which I used. I gave my buddy 297 and 390 mixed with cologne individually. I told him to wear them around me. He already wore different colognes so I would not notice the Akuto/Ammo scents. When he wore them I wanted to be his best friend, do things for him. I even had a dream about him once. > > He and I were not best friends. We were just buddys. We got a lot closer after I wore 297. > > 297 gets me a LOT of free stuff. Mones do that for you but 297 is on a ten. 297 also hits the fastest for me than any other product. > > 297 proves to people mones work if you just spray three on and go about your day. You will see a difference. > > You can add IS to 297, I prefer TAA. Less other steering molecules. > > Dont add IO. Does not help the vibe. > > Dont add IJ. IJ does not mix well, in fact it takes away from both vibes. > > Be cautious with A314 and IG. 297 is an Alpha molecule with steering mones. It is not straight eRone, but something like it. I think it also has DHEAS in it. Adding a lot of eRone could be too much status, always was for me. > > Any questions or 297 combinations? I am all ears. ---
**Author:** ![up-mygame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@up-mygame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/up-mygame)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/26 "2013-07-13T15:08:17Z")
Kimba…I don’t quite understand this statement: Do not mix other things with 297 in the same to-go. Specifically when you say “in the same to-go”! Thanks. > [@KIMBA](#): > > MORE KNOWLEDGE ON 297 > > Bad vs Good Batches: > > A ‘Bad’ batches is one which the self effects are less pronounced/not visible. That means, for most of us, that we assume we need MORE 297. NO! Bad idea. > > A ‘good’ batch has the insane self effects. Sarcastic, witty, and high energy. > > More tidbits: > > Less is often more! Two sprays, three max. More? Diminishing results until it loses efficacy. > > When adding none, be CAREFUL. You GHOST easy with None (Re: NPA) with 297. > > Do not mix other things with 297 in the same to-go. Wise words, this is a tricky animal to mix. I wasted a few to-go’s figuring out how to do it, and once I did I stopped. It was the sort of thing where I wanted to learn to figure the product out but in the end I realize that it was not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/27 "2013-07-13T18:11:38Z")
A togo is the little 5ml bottle that 297 and other MXs normally come in. A lazy way of mixing is just to stick all your components together in one. Which is generally a bad idea as its dead-easy to fuck-up, leaving you with a whole togo of often useless product - very wasteful. More generally, its not a good idea to mix with [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) as it is very easy to mess-up its vibe completely. An overt sexual maybe but you need to have a pretty good idea of it and any other product before you start mixing them. ---
**Author:** ![up-mygame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@up-mygame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/up-mygame)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/28 "2013-07-13T18:50:25Z")
Oooohhhh…I’d actually never given thought to “mixing” them! Thanks for clarifying Mobocaster! > [@mobocaster](#): > > A togo is the little 5ml bottle that 297 and other MXs normally come in. > > A lazy way of mixing is just to stick all your components together in one. Which is generally a bad idea as its dead-easy to fuck-up, leaving you with a whole togo of often useless product - very wasteful. > > More generally, its not a good idea to mix with MX297 as it is very easy to mess-up its vibe completely. An overt sexual maybe but you need to have a pretty good idea of it and any other product before you start mixing them. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/29 "2013-07-13T20:03:45Z")
Mixing things together is a funny thing: it can be hit or miss. Some (me) argue the electronegativity of atoms in the molecule causes this. Regardless of why, it does happen. 4 mcg rone and 2.5 m c g TAL per spray delivers fairly potent results…if you have a mix. But, if you spray 10 micros of rone on yourself, it’s not always that great. Some of these fit together in the bottle well and enhance the result. Some don’t. AMMO, with only 2.5 m c g of rone, is an effective mix. But taking that same 2.5 of r o n e by itself, it doesn’t offer a lot. 2.5 of alphanol is nothing, and 2.5 of -eNone isn’t much either. Meaning that just buying the sprays at 2.5 each and layering them on does not = AMMO, even if you layer on the same fragrance and strength. The mix binds them all together. ---
**Author:** ![andromun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/andromun/32/365_2.png) [@andromun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andromun)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/30 "2013-07-14T00:42:36Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > 1. 297 + Beta-Nol + P83 + NPA > > This is my best/favorite 297 mix EVER. Beta-Nol is the main ingredient in IH, and half of the legendary CTTM mix. It is a molecule which screams “I know you, lets share secrets”. IH can work, but IH has steering molecules in it which can muddle the water. > > To get people to try this I will share one story from this mix. My friends GF was giving me a back massage at a bar. She starts making sexual jokes. The sniffs my neck and offers me a blowjob. The rest of the night she keep trying to kiss me. She also shared how she would have sex with me. My friend was a couple feet away! Kimba - I was wondering what ratios & strengths did you use for this mix? ---
**Author:** ![up-mygame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@up-mygame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/up-mygame)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/31 "2013-07-14T03:21:55Z")
I really appreciate the feedback. I’m definitely not at the mixing stage and if I should ever get there I’d need specifics regarding strengths, amts, etc…however for now does anyone have any suggestions on what sprays would work for me when attending a meet and greet given by [Match.com](http://Match.com)? I have IG/IS/P130/TUTH/AMMO/IO and [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). How many sprays? What body part is best to spray it on? Can I spray two items in the same spot? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/32 "2013-07-14T05:31:34Z")
> [@up-mygame](#): > > I really appreciate the feedback. I’m definitely not at the mixing stage and if I should ever get there I’d need specifics regarding strengths, amts, etc…however for now does anyone have any suggestions on what sprays would work for me when attending a meet and greet given by [Match.com](http://Match.com)? I have IG/IS/P130/TUTH/AMMO/IO and MX297. How many sprays? What body part is best to spray it on? Can I spray two items in the same spot? Rather than pitch-up on random threads that don’t really relate to what you are doing, its often better to start a new one for a specific question. It saves topics getting confused and derailed. Also, you need to read these threads well - all the basics are covered: > [@An Introduction to Mones; Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Length of](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012): > > DIRECTORS LOG: While this is being completed by me to add as a sticky to the Introduction section you need to know this is only a copy and as such will be deleted when the time arrives. I am only placing it because I want the communities feedback. These questions have been asked a gazillion times and while this is not an attempt to discourage questions, I thought maybe it would serve to help answer some of those repeat questions. I will not be including anything on how to use mones for what, or … > [@Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802): > > AD offers a wide array of pheromones out there. There’s been more and more new users asking about products and what not. To start off here are some basic guides for pheromones. This is a great writeup by Steve O to test pheromones out that you receive. [How to find your sweet spot… - PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-sweet-spot/55943)[http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introductions-new-users-say-hello-today/introduction-](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-the-introductions-new-users-say-hello-category/189702)[pheromones-names-size-strength-use-46373.html](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) Here is also a guide to the molecules by toilofd… > [@Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170): > > Application Points 101 You gesture your hand with precision, moving across the audiences olfactory senses, with every calculated move, you enhance their senses and draw them in. You smile as you move around the room, trailing behind you the scent, people look around and spot you, from the corner of your eye, you spot a women, possibly of your dreams for that night. You draw her in with eye contact, as she leans in, the diffusal of the application from your chest sets deeper as she inhales you… ---
**Author:** ![up-mygame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@up-mygame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/up-mygame)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 8:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/33 "2013-07-14T08:31:18Z")
Thanks…shit gets a bit confusing out here. By the time I figure out how to get something read I just put it where I can. Still trying to figure out the Forum flow; still don’t quite know what a thread is or how to get one started. So, that being said, I appreciate the links and I’ll work on figuring this all out…🙂 > [@mobocaster](#): > > Rather than pitch-up on random threads that don’t really relate to what you are doing, its often better to start a new one for a specific question. It saves topics getting confused and derailed. > > Also, you need to read these threads well - all the basics are covered: > > [An Introduction to Mones; Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Length of](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) > > [Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802) > > [Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/34 "2013-07-14T08:52:47Z")
Its pretty much root/branch flow from the main Pherotalk Research forum, down through the individual forums to the subforums for journals etc. Start here: > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life Which gives you a list of all the main forums, their purpose and any subfourms in lighter text. Subforums are also echoed at the top of their parent forum. Then you get “Sticky” threads that sit permanently at the top of each forum, giving important info, forum-specific rules etc. Then when you are in each forum, look for the big “New Thread” button, which is up near the top left of each forum/subforum to create your thread - you just need to enter the title and text. Each of those links above is a thread in their own right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AlGem1st](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/algem1st/32/1332_2.png) [@AlGem1st](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlGem1st)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/35 "2013-07-18T12:20:59Z")
hey there KIMBA, I saw your other trading post which includes some [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) in there. How would you rate the latest batches both 5ml and 30ml? Just curious seeing that you are selling them.😉 ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/36 "2013-07-19T10:02:46Z")
I am selling because I have so many, and because I need money. Current batches lack self effects, still are super friendly, and bonding. ---
**Author:** ![Jojje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Jojje](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jojje)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/37 "2013-08-12T14:59:48Z")
The 30 ml special as well didnt give u self effects? ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/38 "2014-01-09T18:23:31Z")
The 30 ML Special did give me effects, the same effects as my original 297. But I also noticed something with women… CLOSING PROBLEMS. I now see what guys talk about when they say they cant close. It isnt that this stuff doesnt work. You get HUGE attraction, comfort, you vibe, she trusts you, she likes you, you are the party…but it KILLS AROUSAL. BIG TIME. She may want to sleep with you, she may go to the bathroom with you, but she isnt exactly horny. Not hot and bothered. Actually, I find myself a talented bloke at arousing a woman, but this stuff is like running in the other direction. Can you close? Yes. It just is not hot, steamy, passionate sex. Its more like value sex. She wants you for the social pecking order of things. Mix it with P96, it is a LOT better. Or high -None, because it AROUSES her. Boom. Problem solved. I thought I would share. ---
**Author:** ![jett](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jett/32/438_2.png) [@jett](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jett)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/39 "2014-01-09T18:26:22Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > The 30 ML Special did give me effects, the same effects as my original 297. But I also noticed something with women… CLOSING PROBLEMS. > > I now see what guys talk about when they say they cant close. It isnt that this stuff doesnt work. You get HUGE attraction, comfort, you vibe, she trusts you, she likes you, you are the party…but it KILLS AROUSAL. BIG TIME. She may want to sleep with you, she may go to the bathroom with you, but she isnt exactly horny. Not hot and bothered. Actually, I find myself a talented bloke at arousing a woman, but this stuff is like running in the other direction. > > Can you close? Yes. It just is not hot, steamy, passionate sex. Its more like value sex. She wants you for the social pecking order of things. > > Mix it with P96, it is a LOT better. Or high -None, because it AROUSES her. Boom. Problem solved. > > I thought I would share. ooh that mix is kinda getting me hot right now just reading about it fwiw ---
**Author:** ![JStamp24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JStamp24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JStamp24)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/40 "2014-01-10T07:02:29Z")
What’s the difference in the effects of P96 vs. P83 in combination with [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)? Anything major? Or both just effective disinhibitors that lead things toward a more sexual side? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/41 "2014-01-10T07:10:05Z")
Neither P96 or P83, individually or together will give the sort of all round social/engaging vibe that [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) will standalone. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/42 "2014-01-10T09:28:46Z")
And p83 helps others express your popularity and feelings for you. P96 helps add romance and bonding to the mix, which is huge because 297 is hard to keep some women. It’s very flash game [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301.md?page=3)