# MX 297 - Dropping Knowledge **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 13, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301 "2013-06-13T21:59:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/63 "2014-02-15T19:53:46Z")
1.25 Mcg per spray IME. You can add Tuth and you can add p83 later, no problem. ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/64 "2014-02-16T05:04:45Z")
[MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) I have gone thru just 3 togos . I feel this is a young mans fun mix. Like CTTM with added shine, sorry AD if I guessed the formula. Little none, no rone and some P86 if I analyze correctly. It’s a good mix for going out and socializing with the added oomph that straight IH and io won’t give you. It’s a young guys mix for sure. I did use it when I was younger last year but not my goto mix. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/65 "2014-02-16T06:24:12Z")
It is social and attractive, but you need to be the party or you conflict with this product. I think it’s mostly p91. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/66 "2014-02-16T13:59:24Z")
2 sprays Mx297 + 2,5 mcg [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) = DIHL galore and VIP status Mx297 on it’s own already has some ‘look at me!’ mones in there, with P75 added the amount of looks I got where over the top Also crazy selfies. Had me opening sets with 6 girls without any hesitation ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/67 "2014-02-16T17:12:04Z")
Yup - I use 2.5-7.5mcg P75 to 2 sprays [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) and the response from younger/Asian women is wild. Although I’m in no doubt the higher than average P75 dose is in no small part due to my age - A younger guy will need less. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/68 "2014-02-16T19:25:41Z")
Interesting the recommendations for straight BNOL in what is essentially a eRone free (we think?, as far as [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and DP from LAL) mix; IH always seems to trump BNOL alone with A314 (from what I hear). I’m not decided on the latter yet. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/69 "2014-02-28T12:53:39Z")
Anyone have the link to the other 297 mix thread? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/70 "2014-02-28T13:13:52Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > Anyone have the link to the other 297 mix thread? This one? [Mx297 mix respitory](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-mix-respitory/39239) ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/71 "2014-02-28T17:16:53Z")
That’s it! Many thanks mobo! ---
**Author:** ![ssection77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@ssection77](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ssection77)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/72 "2014-03-05T12:35:55Z")
What are nol and npa. I have 297, 314 and 83. I’m looking to attract a 28 yo Dominican woman who I get along great with. I would probably want to start my testing on her and go from there on what I like and how it affects her. You mentioned Hispanic women so I felt I should be specific. My shipment arrived today and I’m new to mones. Taking in all the knowledge I can from everyone. Thanks guys ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/73 "2014-03-05T12:43:15Z")
Nol - Androstenol, can be in alpha or beta forms and is in many products as a steering/moderating mone. IO is mainly Alphanol, IH is mainly Betanol and there is some Betanol in A314. NPA - An overt sexual product from a different vendor. Its a good one but moderately difficult to dose/use. Search, many good threads about it. It would be in the frame for your target as Hispanics can show a liking for more overt Androstenone compared to European or Asians. It would go with [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) for a more rounded social/sexual appeal. ---
**Author:** ![a12449404](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@a12449404](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/a12449404)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/74 "2015-08-12T17:04:59Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > Well, I can tell who the phero experts are left on this forum! > > My pleasure. We need more quality threads now. > > Thats a LOT to digest! > > I am not trying to convince you. 297 has a place. If you dont want the results it gives, do not use it. > > I dont get hard respect from men, I get love, celebrity and buddy buddy. Everyone wants to be your friend, because you are a star. They also want to establish dominance (Read: Because you are not Alpha - Not a Lawyer, Not President, Not a Fighter, Not a Boxer). But it is not dominance like we think of it, it is the as an equal, no barriers. No inhibition. Guys will touch you, friend you, etc. This can be seen as beta. I see it as love. You two are literally brothers. This is how 297 projects its vibe to others. > > Women? 297 is comfort, 297 is look at me I am attractive, 297 is disinhibition. Women love it. > > I must reply to this all at once, because bits and pieces culminate in my mind. > > Beta, which I say 297 is not, is widely defined in various ways. TO narrow this down: > > Is 297 friend zone, as in equal status to males and gives great equal footing to men? YES. > Is 297 a product which gives you authority over another individual? NO. > Is 297 a product which sexually arouses women? NO. > Is 297 a product which gives you dominance over others? NO. > > So, based on these criteria, 297 can be viewed as Beta. > > A314, a few batches ago, was universally viewed as the strongest Rone Status product. ALPHA. Other main stream status products? Wolf? A7? Well, A7 is like A314 lite. Wolf? ALWAYS described as more buddy buddy or more beta than A314. Better for younger guys. > > Funny thing is, Wolf at ten drops is much like 297 for some people. > > Does this mean Wolf is BETA? Or 297 is BETA? Not at all. > > People confuse Status. I was the first to say 297 gives you SOCIAL STATUS. Which is not ALPHA/DOMINANCE/MALE STATUS. > > Social Status is the social hub, the connector. He gets you into parties. He is fun, he has a very real status in life, his currency is fun. But is he the guy who will punch you in the face? Serve in a war? Run a country? Run a company? NO NO NO NO. But no ALPHA product does all of these. > > A314 is the cheat code to having smooth confidence in all situations. Or it was when first released. New versions are less smooth confidence more in your face/aggressive. But, A314 is the confidence to handle all situations. It projects the ALPHA male status of being the guy who can run a business/country, handle women, and men follow him because they must or else. > > Why does this matter? > > Women are attracted to many things, a primary factor is status. Social, political, economic, what ever prefix to it, it is status. Social proof, i.e. how many friends you have and people know you is also Status. > > You wont attract a woman with getting her turned on (TuTH and Ammo) alone. Status gets her. > > 297 is a status all women respond to, but some in a lesser context. Some demographics of women, and people, have different gender roles. > > Ever been with a Columbian woman? An African American woman? A Mexican Woman? > > Or in contrast, been with a British woman? Australian woman? > > Hispanic and Black women, and I hate to peg people demographically so much, prefer a very dominant guy. I have a thing for Latin women, and I assure you this, they are FIESTY. They will bite your head off and eat it like a praying mantis. Does a product like A314 work better on her? YES. FAR BETTER OVER 297! As does TuTH over 297. > > Same for African American. > > English women, Australian, American women, they tend to like 297. > > Why? It depends what type of man they respond to on a character level. People all respond and prefer one thing or another. Exceptions exist but in a general sense we can trace this all back to what type of Status one prefers. > > Age also plays a role. At 21, does what your friends think, and society matter more to you than what is the best long term decision to have an IRA, two kids, and a home by 35? > > Women who are older, who value the social connector less will respond lesser to 297. That is how it works. > > At the same time, they still react, it is just how they value that emotional response. > > If you are a friend with a girl and are 30, and she has all the reasons to sleep with you, but does not know if she feels the spark, 297 will lower the barrier and disinhibit her. > > But if you Cold Approach a women who is 32 and try to be the fun guy, odds are she will move on because her life has other priorities. > > Same situation, A314 to a close friend? Odds are she closes up. A314 in a Cold Approach, odds are she responds very well because you align with what she needs. > > Our body’s all react the same way to mones, believe it or not. Men and women. But attraction, arousal, etc, all work differently. Just like we all have different preferences, different pheromones work for different people. > > I am a proponent of wearing product to get the type of girl you want. Well, I want a relationship so I was wearing a lot of Status mones for a long time. Then I re-ignited my PUA career and realized that when I was a PUA I followed the rule of you must sleep with a girl to get a relationship. Especially YOUNG girls. I am a young guy who wants young girls, I did the math. > > I dont know everything inside of 297, we never will. I also get frontal lobe pressure at high dosage (4 or more), but I also get that with some P’s as well. It is not an exclusive issue for 297, its about phero potency and carriers effecting your brain quicker. > > For these guys who HATE 297, odds are they dont use it right. You need to push it with escalation, you need to make moves, you need to use it in the correct contexts, you need to use it on the right women. But dont use it at a fortune 500 company interview and expect the interviewer to see you as an authority. No, they see you as a good friend who also can get them into any party. > > People need to be willing to form their own opinions. I see people say 297 does not work for them. Really? Put it on a friend and then see how you view them. No, it works, but you dont know what to look for or you are missing the signs. > > Now, if you are a good looking social guy people may already respond to you like they do others with 297. > > Or if you are a wall flower and put 297 on you will say it the best thing ever. > > If you dont apply near your nose, you dont get the great self effects. > > If you dont have sarcasm down or are not witty, 297 may not help. > > If you only want 40 year old cougars who respond to high eNone and Rone, then 297 may not be for you. > > But for the rest of us, 297 works. > > Again, I dont blame guys for not liking it. It does castrate you. Shoot, no dominant respect, all buddy buddy. Spike it with NPA and women love you, but still no guy respect. Does not make it less of an animal at pulling women or having a fun night out, but it does change who should wear it and when. Kimba - thank you for your sharing of this extensive, well written knowledge I’ve just recently received 297 and will be stacking it with TUTH - on a date night with my GF, who will be wearing her mx135 and CTTM - to visit our favorite server, who will make a terriffic gf for MY gf… any insight to stacks or amounts - Ill listen her: MX 135/335 MX300 Ihonesty [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) CTTM me: MX 297 TUTH - no A314 - Im on a cycle and put off enough testosterone as it is no need to amp the signature up ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/75 "2015-08-12T20:44:14Z")
Yes - Adding TUTH is one of the best ways to give 297 the sexual element/kick it lacks, with te least disturbance to 29’s overall social/engating/confident vibe. However, a younger fit guy is already putting-out a good amount of None naturally and around younger/Asian women, he may find 297 sexual enough on its own. So it is worth starting the night with [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) alone, then adding the TUTH once the 297 has done its work for a while and the IOI’s/engagement are building. And a lot of women are attracted to men who show them a really good time, have fun, make them laugh till they cry/wet themselves - they may not be the ones you want an LTR with but around them, status can be seen as boring, or staid, too serious or downright overpowering and even a bit creepy. So for them, carefree abandon is the way forward - and to-hell with whatever happens the next day! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![a12449404](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@a12449404](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/a12449404)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301/76 "2015-08-14T03:55:59Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - Adding TUTH is one of the best ways to give 297 the sexual element/kick it lacks, with te least disturbance to 29’s overall social/engating/confident vibe. > > However, a younger fit guy is already putting-out a good amount of None naturally and around younger/Asian women, he may find 297 sexual enough on its own. So it is worth starting the night with MX297 alone, then adding the TUTH once the 297 has done its work for a while and the IOI’s/engagement are building. > > And a lot of women are attracted to men who show them a really good time, have fun, make them laugh till they cry/wet themselves - they may not be the ones you want an LTR with but around them, status can be seen as boring, or staid, too serious or downright overpowering and even a bit creepy. > > So for them, carefree abandon is the way forward - and to-hell with whatever happens the next day! 🙂 Mobocaster - Ill be following up - sharing field results next few days - today was first day wearing 1x [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and 2x TUTH - today nothing note worthy seemed apparent - spent day with GF (who is on week break from work) However, the field report Im looking forward to is our usual date night at her favorite restaurant - where her next potential GF is our preferred server… Yes, you read that correct. My GF wears MX135 and Instant Openess - Ill be wearing MX297 and TUTH - and letting it ride while I do my part. I enjoy reading your posts and look forward to sharing. thanks for your knowledge in meantime [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx-297-dropping-knowledge/59301.md?page=3)