# Mx172-173 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 3, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398 "2007-01-03T14:57:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/1 "2007-01-03T14:57:41Z")
I wanted to take a minute to share my impressions of these two mixes. Talk about radically different effects. MX173 - man dose this mix make ppl clear out. The spacing effect was very dramatic…man, I thought the original version of A314 created a huge bubble…sheesh! If you look at my weekly sales, you can tell the days that I used this mix. Customers…coworkers…male…female…didn’t matter. Even the lovely young girl from Belarus who’s been crushing on me hard lately would literally back away if I came w/in 3-5’ of her. If you like to be left alone, then this is the mix for you. MX172 - This stuff is AMAZING! I thought the newest oil version was phenomenal…this exemplifies how diffusion can effect the behavior of a mix. The effects are instant, although more short lived…about 3-4 hours vs. 6-8 for the oil version. Furthermore, the effect is different w/ the spray version. I don’t get nearly the distinct sense of firmness as I do w/ the oil version. It seems that the newer molecules added to the current mix can express themselves more fully when they aren’t “locked down” by the oil. In general, mx172 feels fuller and what I would have to say is the most “symphonic” feeling mix I’ve used to date. All the pieces fit seamlessly…this mix has a distinct sense of a gestalt happening. MX172 seems softer/more polished, more comfortable/approachable than the oil version w/out losing it’s firmer, alpha identity. I really like the fact that it’s effects are more immediate, for use at work…the slower diffusion of the oil version may work against me in this environment. I also like the fact that I can use lower doses and refresh more frequently…I think ppl have an opportunity to feel the full spectrum of the mix. When I use the oil version, most ppl will not initiate conversation yet light up when spoken to…ppl are far more likely to make first contact w/ mx172. I would also have to say that mx172 is even more “crushy” than the oil version. MX172 is a real masterpiece! MX172 + MX136 has to be the best combo I’ve ever used! My sales are unreal…i had ppl **giving** me sales all day…that never happens. Even one of the so called “sharks” was happily handing over sales to me. Everyone had a blast all day. I felt like and was treated like “The Man”. lol ---
**Author:** ![Sunny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sunny/32/929_2.png) [@Sunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunny)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/2 "2007-01-03T15:19:36Z")
Scottie, I fully agree about both mixes. I could not quite describe as well as you what it was about MX173, but it made me feel very bad, in a sense of weak. I might have mistaken some kind of OD effect for weakness, meaning I just felt bad and unapproachable and interpreted this as feeling weak. Interesting! I fully agree on the effects of MX172 to you. It’s my absolute favorite and I now have a full blue bottle of it and even that may not last long because I am using it every day 🙂 If I would give away all of my [pheromone](https://a314.com/) bottles except one, I would keep MX172, because I consistently get the strongest positive reactions and it’s also the most universal mix for me. I am still experimenting how it works together with other things. Thank you for the suggestion of using it with MX136! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sunny/32/929_2.png) [@Sunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunny)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/3 "2007-01-12T22:32:12Z")
Scottie, what are your experiences with dosages for MX172 and in combination with MX136? I am ususally most successful with a maximum of 2 sprays of MX172 (from the big bottle). When I recently had a long meeting with a superior, I got the impression that I ODed for the first time with just 2 spays. He reacted negatively (not trusting, protective) as if I was wearing androstenone. Fortunately I had an other meeting with him, this time only using one spray of MX172 and 5 sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) double strength. Things improved dramatically into a direction of bonding and friendship. Fascinating! I have now switched back and forth between the classic oil version and MX172 and I can fully confirm your experience: I thought I did not feel the personal strength enhancing effect so much any more with MX172 because I had habituated. From switching back and forth I have found that the effect on myself is in fact more serious/strong with the oil version, while others are much more open to me with the spray version. And even though it’s contraversial, I just love the “Indian” scent of the last oil batch. Got to try 1 drop oil close to nose + 1 spray for the next times… Sunny ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 11:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/4 "2007-01-12T23:15:12Z")
> [@Sunny](#): > > Scottie, > > what are your experiences with dosages for MX172 and in combination with MX136? > > I am ususally most successful with a maximum of 2 sprays of MX172 (from the big bottle). When I recently had a long meeting with a superior, I got the impression that I ODed for the first time with just 2 spays. He reacted negatively (not trusting, protective) as if I was wearing androstenone. Fortunately I had an other meeting with him, this time only using one spray of MX172 and 5 sprays of Instant Honesty double strength. Things improved dramatically into a direction of bonding and friendship. Fascinating! > > I have now switched back and forth between the classic oil version and MX172 and I can fully confirm your experience: I thought I did not feel the personal strength enhancing effect so much any more with MX172 because I had habituated. From switching back and forth I have found that the effect on myself is in fact more serious/strong with the oil version, while others are much more open to me with the spray version. And even though it’s contraversial, I just love the “Indian” scent of the last oil batch. Got to try 1 drop oil close to nose + 1 spray for the next times… > > Sunny Yeah, 2 sprays of MX172 is best for me too. I also tried switching back and forth…sounds like your experiences confirm my tests. A314 or MX172 can be pretty heavy w/out something to brighten things up a bit. Try MX136 and MX172 @ 2:1…I think you’ll find this works well. Definitely try 1 drop A314 and 1 spray MX172…refresh w/ 1 spray of MX172 after about 3-4 hours…you don’t need the whole drop of A314 under your nose…a dab or two should do ya fine. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sunny/32/929_2.png) [@Sunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunny)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/5 "2007-01-12T23:56:41Z")
Thanks for your insight Scottie, great! > [@Scottie2Hottie](#): > > Try MX136 and MX172 @ 2:1 Is this 2 sprays MX136 and 1 spray MX172 or 4 sprays MX136 and 2 sprays MX172? ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/6 "2007-01-13T01:55:16Z")
> [@Sunny](#): > > Thanks for your insight Scottie, great! > > Is this 2 sprays MX136 and 1 spray MX172 or 4 sprays MX136 and 2 sprays MX172? That’s 2 sprays MX136 for each spray of MX172…so either of the above would be correct as far as the 2:1 ratio is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Domingo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domingo/32/781_2.png) [@Domingo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domingo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 10:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/7 "2007-01-13T10:54:14Z")
> [@Scottie2Hottie](#): > > 2 sprays MX136 Hey, that’s a mix from the ‘Instant Sunshine’-pack, right? I like that one too! Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but did anyone else also noticed that a couple of these ‘Instant Sunshine’ mixes have a faint -none smell? Specially MX140, and also another one (not quite sure right now which one it is, it’s been a while since I’ve used it). I’m quite sure about this. I thought this was supposed the be unisex? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sunny/32/929_2.png) [@Sunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunny)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 11:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/8 "2007-01-13T11:11:36Z")
> [@Scottie2Hottie](#): > > That’s 2 sprays MX136 for each spray of MX172…so either of the above would be correct as far as the 2:1 ratio is concerned. I understand 😉 , but which amount do you prefer? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sunny/32/929_2.png) [@Sunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunny)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 11:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/9 "2007-01-13T11:12:31Z")
> [@Domingo](#): > > Hey, that’s a mix from the ‘Instant Sunshine’-pack, right? I like that one too! > > Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but did anyone else also noticed that a couple of these ‘Instant Sunshine’ mixes have a faint -none smell? Specially MX140, and also another one (not quite sure right now which one it is, it’s been a while since I’ve used it). I’m quite sure about this. I thought this was supposed the be unisex? I am sure that there are a couple of other [pheromones](https://a314.com/) than androstenone which have a somewhat similar smell, Domingo. ---
**Author:** ![Domingo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domingo/32/781_2.png) [@Domingo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domingo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 11:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/10 "2007-01-13T11:47:49Z")
> [@Sunny](#): > > I am sure that there are a couple of other pheromones than androstenone which have a somewhat similar smell, Domingo. You are right, Sunny (Androst-A-none being one of them for sure), but it’s not just the smell, it also has the same effect on me! I’m hypersensitive to none (both E & A, tho the latter I seem to tolerate a little better), that’s why I try to avoid it as much as possible, because unless it’s in a very minimal dose, I get very nervous wearing it. But what’s even worst, it puts me in a real bad mood almost instantly. And like I said, there are two mixes in the Sunshine Pack doing just that! Weird. MX140 I’m sure of, because I tried this yesterday, the other one I thought was MX138, but this is only from smelling the bottle. I will try this later when I’m sure I don’t have to meet with anyone, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/11 "2007-01-13T15:46:29Z")
> [@Domingo](#): > > Hey, that’s a mix from the ‘Instant Sunshine’-pack, right? I like that one too! > > Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but **did anyone else also noticed that a couple of these ‘Instant Sunshine’ mixes have a faint -none smell?** Specially MX140, and also another one (not quite sure right now which one it is, it’s been a while since I’ve used it). I’m quite sure about this. I thought this was supposed the be unisex? MHarris and/or Jasmin has said that none of the Liquid Sunshine series contains -none. ---
**Author:** ![Domingo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domingo/32/781_2.png) [@Domingo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domingo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/12 "2007-01-13T16:45:08Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > MHarris and/or Jasmin has said that none of the Liquid Sunshine series contains -none. You are right, Carrie, its Liquid Sunshine and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). 😃 Hmmm, then it must be something else, but similar, both in the way it smells as in the way it effects me. It’s only in two of the mixes, the others are fine. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sunny/32/929_2.png) [@Sunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunny)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/13 "2007-01-13T16:55:02Z")
Oh yes, all those secret Pxx and who knows what else in the Androtics labs… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/14 "2007-01-13T17:27:56Z")
> [@Domingo](#): > > You are right, Carrie, its Liquid Sunshine and Instant Shine. 😃 > > Hmmm, then it must be something else, but similar, both in the way it smells as in the way it effects me. > > It’s only in two of the mixes, the others are fine. I agree that MX138 and MX140 (my favorites from the Liquid Sunshine series) have something unusual going on. For me, they are comforting, relaxing, social, empathic and sexual … I can live with that! Now that I’ve been using IFM lately, I wonder if these 2 mixes have something in common with IFM - plus something that results in sexual arousal. ---
**Author:** ![Domingo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domingo/32/781_2.png) [@Domingo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domingo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/15 "2007-01-13T17:49:57Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > I agree that MX138 and MX140 (my favorites from the Liquid Sunshine series) have something unusual going on. For me, they are comforting, relaxing, social, empathic and sexual … I can live with that! Now that I’ve been using Instant Female Magic lately, I wonder if these 2 mixes have something in common with IFM - plus something that results in sexual arousal. Now this is rather interesting, because for me it’s just about the complete opposite! These mixes tend to make me feel nervous, irritated, easy to anger and after a while even a bit sad. But then I’m pretty sure it must be androstadienone that’s responsible for this. Don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/16 "2007-01-13T18:09:47Z")
That’s what occurs to me too, though of course we don’t know what putatives MHarris might be using, or their effects. I think there was some comment in regard to L. Shine series, to the effect that sometimes you can combine “known” pheromones and get unexpected effects … which leads me to think it’s _not_ androstadienone. At any rate, this does look like evidence of _something_ sexually dimorphic in the series. ---
**Author:** ![Domingo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domingo/32/781_2.png) [@Domingo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domingo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/17 "2007-01-13T18:17:08Z")
What do you mean by “sexually dimorphic”? Sorry, but I’m Dutch, so english is not my native language. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/18 "2007-01-13T23:57:07Z")
It has a specific meaning in biology, but here is a quote from MHarris in which he explains what’s meant by it in reference to pheromones: “Out of what you mentioned, you can cause a seriously negative reaction in many men with [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). The effects of that are extremely sexually dimorphic; i.e., **it affects men and women in a completely different manner.** It’s reported to be almost euphoric for women, while it’s dysphoric for me and many other men. 5 sprays of that to hot areas on your body, and you should be able to sullen a group of men quite easily.” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/19 "2007-01-14T09:36:09Z")
I dont think Androstadienone is allowed to be added to a mix legally. Erox has the patent on that ‘vomopherin’. I think some putatives have been put in the Liquid Sunshine mixes… Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 9:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398/20 "2007-01-14T09:38:51Z")
> [@Domingo](#): > > You are right, Sunny (Androst-A-none being one of them for sure), but it’s not just the smell, it also has the same effect on me! > > I’m hypersensitive to none (both E & A, tho the latter I seem to tolerate a little better), that’s why I try to avoid it as much as possible, because unless it’s in a very minimal dose, I get very nervous wearing it. But what’s even worst, it puts me in a real bad mood almost instantly. And like I said, there are two mixes in the Sunshine Pack doing just that! Weird. > > MX140 I’m sure of, because I tried this yesterday, the other one I thought was MX138, but this is only from smelling the bottle. I will try this later when I’m sure I don’t have to meet with anyone, lol. Domingo, can you tell us in detail of your experiences with Androst-A-none… What does it do exactly to women? Is there a 'sexual element to it? It makes you feel a little nervous? Visionary [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398.md?page=2)