# MX201/P93 with Shine and MX211 at a bar: social or sexual effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 4, 2007, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342 "2007-03-04T09:47:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SWE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@SWE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SWE)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/21 "2007-03-31T02:19:11Z")
ok, cool. i’m going to a concert sunday night and i’ll be curious to see if i pickup any IOI’s from the ladies in attendance. i think i might go with 2 sprays of mx201, 2 sprays of instant openness and a spray of instant shine like you said. if anything interesting happens i’ll be sure to report it. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/22 "2007-04-25T06:01:59Z")
Any more feedback on [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/)? I’ll be testing it out at the end of this week. I’m particularly interested in the ‘bonding’ type characteristics of it. I’ve been working to build better ‘intimate’ type of mixes. The trouble with these heavy hitting ‘attraction’ mixes as that they’re a little overwhelming on a more personal level. I need to rebuild from the ground up. I’m hoping P93 can have a comparable effect to dienone, without all the negative effects on the wearer. Every time I bust out dienone it dampens my mood so much that things hardly go the way I want them too, even if all the positive signs are there. There’s a reason my bottle of IFM has lasted me about a year now ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 6:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/23 "2007-04-25T06:25:35Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Any more feedback on P93? I’ll be testing it out at the end of this week. > > I’m particularly interested in the ‘bonding’ type characteristics of it. > > I’ve been working to build better ‘intimate’ type of mixes. The trouble with these heavy hitting ‘attraction’ mixes as that they’re a little overwhelming on a more personal level. I need to rebuild from the ground up. > > I’m hoping P93 can have a comparable effect to Androstadienone, without all the negative effects on the wearer. Every time I bust out Androstadienone it dampens my mood so much that things hardly go the way I want them too, even if all the positive signs are there. There’s a reason my bottle of Instant Female Magic has lasted me about a year now I’m still using it in most of my mixes with the same results It’s upbeat (very much so according to nunya at 50 mcg I think) I’m still catching moments of male friendlyness/bonding. Women are still responding well. I worked rather well today with mx102 and taf. This girl in one of my classes sat beside me which she normaly does not, then she waved bye as she drove past me in the parking lot. Very odd of her. Dude in front of me handed me his calculator without any request or desire to need it for some business ratios we were going over. I asked for an IM name from a girl that is transfering to the same college I am in the fall. She wrote it in my notebook, then paused while talking as if she wanted to stay and talk. Franky, I love the stuff. It works very well with any sort of Status, or Alpha mix. It takes out the serious and leave the alpha/status. ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/24 "2007-04-26T04:34:00Z")
Well I’m sold majority due to your reports Toil! 🙂[P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) seems to be a great addition to my simple IS and AMMO everyday mix. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/25 "2007-04-26T09:41:20Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > I’m still using it in most of my mixes with the same results > > It’s upbeat (very much so according to nunya at 50 mcg I think) > > I’m still catching moments of male friendlyness/bonding. > > Women are still responding well. > > I worked rather well today with mx102 and taf. > > This girl in one of my classes sat beside me which she normaly does not, then she waved bye as she drove past me in the parking lot. Very odd of her. > > Dude in front of me handed me his calculator without any request or desire to need it for some business ratios we were going over. > > I asked for an IM name from a girl that is transfering to the same college I am in the fall. She wrote it in my notebook, then paused while talking as if she wanted to stay and talk. > > Franky, I love the stuff. > > It works very well with any sort of Status, or Alpha mix. It takes out the serious and leave the alpha/status. Toil, are you getting different kinds of hits from [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) between males and females (as in a stronger response generally from females)? Also do you find that it puts you into reflective/introspective moods? What have you established to be the optimal amount of P93 for PU-orientated results-are high doses like 50 mcg more useful? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/26 "2007-04-26T18:51:33Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Toil, > are you getting different kinds of hits from P93 between males and females (as in a stronger response generally from females)? Also do you find that it puts you into reflective/introspective moods? What have you established to be the optimal amount of P93 for PU-orientated results-are high doses like 50 mcg more useful? > > Visionary Ok, this is going to sound very strange. I don’t think I get self effects. I does something, but perhaps it just meshes with who I am. I don’t know, but I can’t realy pin down doses on this one. If I had to give p93 a phase it would be, “[P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) works in mysterious ways” I like to use 10 mcg for every 2.5 mcg -none or 10 mcg for every 1 drop of a314/mx variant 5mcg may even be better I see no OD effects, but the hits seem to lessened with higher amounts (at least for a bar) then again the other day I was wering mx102 x 1.5, 30mcg of p93, and some taf and got a few social hits, and one hit from a target I was working on throughout the semester. Women like it, and it a fantastic additive to most mixes, and maybe even a stand alone. I don’t use it by it’s self anymore. Guys respond to it and it increase masculine social connections. I’m not saying that guys are going to get all buddy buddy with you, but it removes that tension most men have when interacting. I realy want to find out how it works on a girl when she is on her period. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342/27 "2007-04-26T22:22:29Z")
ok so looking at this again I realized I didn’t fully explain the difference in hits between men and women. I don’t even remember what i’v written in the begining of this thread, so bear with me if I end up repeating myself. With women, I have notice that they are mildly uplifted. They seem to enjoy my presence. The first test I had there was a decrease in personal space with my female friends and so far I have notices reductions in space when wearing it in my normal mix. Then again there are other components in my mix that reduce space, like the 100mcg of taa oil. (hahahahha) In regards to -none and p93 on women. Everytime I used a -none based product people seemed stand off ish, even with my first few runs of ammo. So I began using p93 shortly there after with my -none mixes. (that was the plan initialy but I had to test ammo by it’s self a few time first) The problems that I normaly associate with -none seem to vanish when using p93. Don’t be confused by that. I doesn’t change the OD ranges of -none. It’s not going to allow you to wear more than you normaly could, it just helps facilitate the effectiveness. BTW i’m I don’t like -none. It fogs me over at times, but with p93 i’ve developed a fondness for it. Let me give a second explenation for how I think it works. If you look at the alpha personality there seems to be 2 groups of alpha. There is the Bad boy alpha, and the Non bad boy alpha. Now bad boy alpha can be good, but it’s intimidating to some. This is what I fell -nones apearance is. The non bad boy alpha is still every bit as alpha as the bad boy, but he’s not scary or threatning. The girl feels safer about being around this person, where as the bad boy could potentialy hurt her (emotionaly or physicaly) It’s all intinctual. (once again, just my views and theories, I can’t stress that enough) P93 takes -nones bad boy alpha effects and converts it to Non bad boy alpha. This explains why it has a male bonding effect as well. Men seem to want to aline themselves with other men who are of high value, but they aren’t going to going be friendly with alpha dousch…he’s a threat. The other alpha guy who is having a good time, dhv, and seems like a person who is worth knowing, is going to be a male that you would want to aline yourself with. I’ll admit, I prefer to be around friendly alpha males compared to non alpha types or dickish alpha types. They are generaly good people with strong characters, and that strength translates back through you by association. You can see why I think this pheromone is hard to pin down. If it works the way I see it working it only creates a very tiny shift in pheromone signiture, but that shift works strongly on physchological perception. It’s kind of a ripple effect in a way. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-with-shine-and-mx211-at-a-bar-social-or-sexual-effect/2342.md?page=1)