# MX301 + A1 was too much for her...?...! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 17, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655 "2010-05-17T01:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/1 "2010-05-17T01:56:57Z")
Well, this girl and I hung out for a few hours. She did seemed a bit nervous at first. She did began to warm up again after 10 minutes or so… After dinner and doing some other fun activities with her, I started holding and kissing her. A few seconds later, she just told me “I don’t want any relationship.” Well, she didn’t say anything when I kissed her last time. I just said “well, I kind of know …” and then walked away from her place… :o Maybe, MX301 was too much for her? I should have gone with [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)? Maybe, she wasn’t REALLY interested in me that much from the beginning and Mx301 allowed me to find out quicker? Any thoughts? Oh well, on the way to finding a different girl 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MisterMagik](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mistermagik/32/2360_2.png) [@MisterMagik](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MisterMagik)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/2 "2010-05-17T02:07:10Z")
The fact she even mentioned it, means she was thinking about it. Unless you had mentioned it earlier. Could have been as simple as her wanting comforted in knowing no strings attached and her reputation would be upheld. But you seem to have handled it well regardless. ---
**Author:** ![zylerh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ec9cab/32.png) [@zylerh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zylerh)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/3 "2010-05-17T02:08:40Z")
Couple of thoughts to this one. First we need to know what type of girl you are dealing with- need more info on what she’s like. Scenario 1: She responds to A1 and feels comfortable being with you. That comfort means you could be long-term relationship material and it scared her off. In this case you want to use MX301 by itself or something more sexual to let her know you are in it for the fun only. Scenario 2: She doesn’t feel that much effect from A1 because you used a low dose. The girl feels sex equates to having a relationship and the -none in MX301 pushed her in that sexual direction. In this case [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) would be more appropriate- social, commanding, and fun - less sexual. You could also use more A1. I would assume the nervous feeling may have come from the -none and not the A1. Therefore, scenario two may be more likely. Is she religious (catholic) btw- sex=relationship for many. > [@CoolKatDC](#): > > Well, this girl and I hung out for a few hours. She did seemed a bit nervous at first. She did began to warm up again after 10 minutes or so… > After dinner and some good combo, I started holding and kissing her. A few seconds later, she just told me “I don’t want any relationship.” Well, she didn’t say anything when I kissed her last time. I just said. “well, I kind of know and then walked away from her place…” :o > Maybe, MX301 was too much for her? I should have gone with MX297? Maybe, she wasn’t REALLY interested in me that much from the beginning and Mx301 allowed me to find out quicker? Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/4 "2010-05-17T02:45:42Z")
I don’t know, I will try [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) with her next time and see what happens ☹ ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/5 "2010-05-17T03:11:20Z")
Her response could be not related to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), most likely relationship history, doesn’t want to be perceived as slut, or something else. Or maybe she meant she doesn’t want a relationship she’s just DTF. Down to… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/6 "2010-05-17T03:32:23Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Her response could be not related to pheromones, most likely relationship history, doesn’t want to be perceived as slut, or something else. Or maybe she meant she doesn’t want a relationship she’s just DTF. Down to… 🙂 So, do I go ask about " being friends with benefits? " What is a good way? I have never thought about it, heh ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/7 "2010-05-17T03:35:11Z")
Give it a couple of days. Spray some IH and IS. Ask her why she feels that way. Empathize with her, and find out why she felt that way. You should get your answers in that sense. Then move on from there. It just seems like there was some misunderstanding that was holding something back for you. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/8 "2010-05-17T03:48:04Z")
I’ve seen this happen before just to see the girl change her mind again. Sometimes a little extra persistence is all you need. Just don’t cross the line into creeper. Try going moneless completely next time, that will give you the real answer. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/9 "2010-05-17T03:48:44Z")
Yeah, no one likes a creeper. We all know one too ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/10 "2010-05-17T04:39:48Z")
Well here’s my theory. First, you have [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/), which has been compared to A314 and IG in it’s social nature but with a bit less intimidation and a little more attraction. Now I don’t know if 297 is in fact a high rone product designed to have qualities that are similar yet different from IG and A314, but the effects are very similar to an instant boyfriend effect from my own experience. It seems to create a very strong provider/protector vibe. And you had decent effect with it I imagine based on the fact that you got a follow up date. But then you turn around and go with a product that from what I hear is very sexual. So not only do you lose the provider/protector vibe and all the comfort that comes with that, but you create a sense if inconsistency that could have her feeling “he seems so different from the guy I saw before” That kind of unpredictability can make her feel unsure about you. This is why outside of pure experimenting, I believe in using a very simple base mix that you only modify slightly in a certain direction by a small addition or substitution of a product here and there as opposed to a totally different base. For example, in your case if you were planning on escalating sexually I would have added a spray of 297 to what you had used prior to build upon what already worked. then sex it up a little bit with just one spray of TuTH or 301 or something like that. Had you come off with the 301 to begin with and stuck with it, you might have done well. Stayed with 297 instead of switching, and I think you would have done well. I don’t think it’s the product so much as the confusion created by changing your signature too drastically. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/11 "2010-05-17T10:04:45Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Well here’s my theory. First, you have MX297, which has been compared to A314 and IG in it’s social nature but with a bit less intimidation and a little more attraction. Now I don’t know if 297 is in fact a high rone product designed to have qualities that are similar yet different from IG and A314, but the effects are very similar to an instant boyfriend effect from my own experience. It seems to create a very strong provider/protector vibe. And you had decent effect with it I imagine based on the fact that you got a follow up date. > > But then you turn around and go with a product that from what I hear is very sexual. So not only do you lose the provider/protector vibe and all the comfort that comes with that, but you create a sense if inconsistency that could have her feeling “he seems so different from the guy I saw before” That kind of unpredictability can make her feel unsure about you. This is why outside of pure experimenting, I believe in using a very simple base mix that you only modify slightly in a certain direction by a small addition or substitution of a product here and there as opposed to a totally different base. > For example, in your case if you were planning on escalating sexually I would have added a spray of 297 to what you had used prior to build upon what already worked. then sex it up a little bit with just one spray of TuTH or 301 or something like that. > Had you come off with the 301 to begin with and stuck with it, you might have done well. Stayed with 297 instead of switching, and I think you would have done well. I don’t think it’s the product so much as the confusion created by changing your signature too drastically. I actually met her first with AMMO + IS, at this social meeting. She was all over me with that combo. Last date, I tried AMMO + IH + IS and she really dug it. So, this time I was trying to push her over the top with Mx301 + A1, but it didn’t work out as well as I hoped. Maybe, rone in the AMMO along with anone could have played some positive role. Who knows? Well, if I do see her again, I guess I shall go back to the basic “[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IS” 🆒 She did say we are friends… I hinted no relationship at all, and she ACTUALLY thought I wanted a relationship 🙂 whatevers… Who knows? Maybe, I am stuck in a friendzone. I don’t care though. I feel I can meet other girls… plenty of fish in the sea 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/12 "2010-05-17T19:32:53Z")
jsut ran into her at the gym. I didn’t even bring up what happened last night. I just told her I would be busy with some project, I will call her when I am done with the exam, and maybe we can hangout afterward. On my second look, she is actually 8.5, which is darn good. I think I was getting a bit too ambitious lately, lol. I was kind of dismissing her as one of MANY girls. Oh well, whatevers… I am not putting too much into the outcome though 🙂 But yea, definitely Mx301 is not the way to go with somewhat conservative girls. I just realized how conservative she is compared to other girls around mid 20’s. I am not saying she is an angel, but she is probably more on the conservative side, even comparable to many asians. Mx297 or AMMO + IS should be the way to go with girls like this! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/13 "2010-05-17T23:37:29Z")
jsut ran into her at the gym. I didn’t even bring up what happened last night. I just told her I would be busy with some project, I will call her when I am done with the exam, and maybe we can hangout afterward. On my second look, she is actually 8.5, which is darn good. I think I was getting a bit too ambitious lately, lol. I was kind of dismissing her as one of MANY girls. Oh well, whatevers… I am not putting too much into the outcome though 🙂 But yea, definitely Mx301 is not the way to go with somewhat conservative girls. I just realized how conservative she is compared to other girls around mid 20’s. I am not saying she is an angel, but she is probably more on the conservative side, even comparable to many asians. Mx297 or AMMO + IS should be the way to go with girls like this! Also, to come to think of it, she was very emotional and vehement when she said " I Don’t want a relationship." She speaks softly but this time, she was speaking with highly stirred emotions. At least I felt it. Another interesting thing happened today. I don’t know if I cleanly washed off all my pheros, but I got many hits from black women. I normally don’t interact them, but I had to go to this meeting around Howard Medical Center, and I had a couple women come up to me and give me looks and even touch me, lol. It is funny, because I get nervous around them, hah. If I had some sexual interest in black women, who knows things could have gone somewhere. Mx301 seems like a real powerful tool that should be used around women looking for some during ovulation! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/14 "2010-05-18T00:00:35Z")
Try MX301 with rone an see what happens… ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/15 "2010-05-18T02:32:30Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > Try MX301 with rone an see what happens… Have you tested -rone with MX301, Johnny? If so, at what ratio? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/16 "2010-05-18T03:31:55Z")
not going to mess with what worked anymore. Forget all these putatives, A1, rone and all that. I am going back to basics: AMMO + IS whenever I see her. I will try [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) or IG every 4th time and so on… I will go with AMMO + TUTH + IS + IH for bars; where a lot of latinas or drunk, horny college girls are present, I shall go with MX301 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/17 "2010-05-19T19:32:12Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Have you tested -rone with MX301, Johnny? If so, at what ratio? > > Thanks! No, not with rone but this sounds logical, Kat have better results with ammo, that have rone, much lower socials and a lower none punch… I think for him is rone very important or for this one girl. MX301 or 302 is much better then ammo, i would try it with rone. I think 10-15mcg would be perfect but the sexual effects are weaker with rone but that’s theory… ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/18 "2010-05-19T20:38:56Z")
How much MX301 did you use? For me, I feel that 2 sprays is enough for some girls, especially conservative girls. Maybe even try as low as 1 spray. However 3-4 usually gives me negative hits from younger girls ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/19 "2010-05-20T18:24:49Z")
> [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > How much MX301 did you use? For me, I feel that 2 sprays is enough for some girls, especially conservative girls. Maybe even try as low as 1 spray. However 3-4 usually gives me negative hits from younger girls 3 sprays and one or two later or 2 sprays and 2 or 3 later… But i am over 30 years old… I think you are right, one or two sprays is enough for you and rone is also very important for your age. I would say always 5mcg rone for every single spray MX301. And don’t forget MX301 is sexual very potent and young and conservative girls have a big problem with her own sexuality… Ammo can be the better choise in this situation… Or MX302 (anol is the better none buffer) + rone. Or you test MX301 with rone + anol. ---
**Author:** ![JR-H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JR-H](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JR-H)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx301-a1-was-too-much-for-her/38655/20 "2010-05-21T12:54:52Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > Who knows? Maybe, I am stuck in a friendzone. I don’t care though. I feel I can meet other girls… plenty of fish in the sea 😉 You seem to dig her, though 😃 Don’t give up just yet, it could be she’s testing you. Who says it has to be easy, LOL. Good luck mate!😉