# MX412 - The Human Rocking Chair! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 9, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708 "2011-08-09T17:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/1 "2011-08-09T17:44:54Z")
I’m a big advocate of A1 and always have been. Even when AD decided to ban it from their shop I openly disagreed. Why punish an entire community over an alleged few bad apples. If they were in fact doing anything bad with A1 they would in turn have bad done upon them. The same could be said against NONE in that it does cause aggression in some males so by that order it could just as easily be a candidate for removal from the AD store. The good news is there are other shops that sell A1 and while AD says they are looking to make the world a better place, they are forcing their customers to go elsewhere and thus supporting those very same companies they wish to blacklist. Just my opinion. I had the wonderful opportunity to use A1 (I still do) and I’ve also been exposed to Dancing Jokers A2. In my view, again all personal opinion, if ever there was a replacement for A1 so far the only thing that has come close is A2. Well, actually it surpasses A1 in all its glory and really pulls off a warm glow of closeness and comfort while gently arousing those exposed. I completely understand AD’s not making it as it was loaded with more molecules than any mix I ever saw, including catlord’s PS. However when I used it you could almost feel each level of [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and watch as its subtleties influenced the intended target and swept away resistance one level after another. It was like I don’t like this guy, but wow he is nice. He seems creepy, but maybe if I move closer. I really think he is hitting on me, I wish he would talk more to me. I, I, ahh I wish he would just bed me right here and now, but wait then I’d be a slut, well how could I be a slut with him on my arm. He’s a little bit to close to me, I think I need him to hold me. God I feel so hot with him here, this is so right for me. He is Mr. Right. Yeah it was seriously like that. Whenever I was met with initial resistance you could actually watch it melt as if it was an icicle on a hot sidewalk. Layer after layer of resistance would literately vaporize before me and all I had to do was sit and smile. Now on many levels A1 works the same way, but there is a potential to bring a males enthusiasm down a notch. Michael Harris mentioned it once that it really added a degree of comfort where women wanted to be in your presence, but what good was it if you wouldn’t talk to them? With products like IO and Ishine that can easily be offset though, therefore for most guys, negating the ill effects. I can however see if anyone battles depression or low self-esteem having an adverse reaction to it. With this in mind I can understand AD’s position, but some guys have abreactions to NONE too. You do what you can. A readily available molecule such as A1 really makes a molecule heavy, thus cost-prohibitive mix, like A2 unnecessary as a replacement. Again on that aspect it makes absolute sense not to produce it and thus deplete molecule stores used in other popular mixes. Next comes along MX412. Now I can see the direction this mix attempts to head and certainly while not perfect there is a strong potential to improve on it and create something magnificent. The setting was a downtown Memphis club my friends own and I frequent whenever I’m in town. Saturday night I made my way there and pretty much sat at the bar drinking shots and beer while people watching. The bartender is a true babe and we are “close.” We did lots of shots and here’s the things I noticed from 3 sprays of MX412 and 3 Ishine. I wear Ishine with everything. Going out and wearing a new mix is a difficult thing for me to undertake. I have an agenda when I go out as a single guy and never do I want potential opportunity to be wasted because of an ill-fitting mix. I had that experience before with the very beta-boy MX297 mix I so dislike. Sure if I want a woman as a friend so I can buy her drinks and be her emotional shoulder to cry on then great mix. Not me though, I’m the bad-boy ALPHA male who sleeps with her all the while you can orbit around her and be her friend:o. At least I know with Ishine (the most consistent attraction formula AD makes) I know if anything, I have a backup plan. Yes Ishine is that good 😃. Think of it this way guys: If every time a woman is in your presence she feels a sense of security from your well being and confidence (that’s what Ishine does for you) that allows her to relax and let her guard down so she can smile more genuinely (A true IOI is a smile that makes her look bad as per Jasmin) she will relate that feeling she has back to you. That my friends is a secret attraction spell that always amazes and tantalizes a woman. Confidence is attractive and Ishine is confidence and strong sense of well-being. I’ve been saying this for years…do you get it yet? Well MX412 on the neck and the hits were pretty consistent with what would be expected from A1 almost. I had women approaching me and my bartender friend “stayed” with me pretty much all night and I was there till 5. She even suggested I stay with her (only being nice, as a friend - she dates another great friend of mine now). There was one woman, a blond bar fly who was definitely cute, who kept brushing up against me time and again. Whenever I turned to initiate conversation though she was like, oh sorry and hurried off. She kept doing it though. Then there was the other bartenders friend who came over to me and started a conversation and kept invading my space. She wasn’t really my style. There were a lot of hits that night and one time the bartender was sitting on my lap. Another lady “friend” of mine showed up with a date and she was super close to me all night. She did have a guy with her though. John this is the girl I showed you the picture of who I celebrated her birthday with that night 😉. A couple observations I’ve made with this mix over a long drunken night that ended with me alone. Yeah even I end good nights alone, although not to frequently 😉. Guys were friendly and wanted to chat. That’s a plus since A1 tends to make guys not talk. Women were closer to me and didn’t mind touch as much. There was still a noticeable barrier though when it came to sexual responses. It was almost as if hey I don’t mind this guy touching me…wait a minute…yes I do…people are watching! Almost as if those same queues that A1 and A2 met and overcame were met and then additional resistance was quickly thrown up. Not what I was expecting. There was a strong sense of high-value status from the ladies though. My friend that I mentioned arrived with a date went to go to the bathroom and rather than they typical leave the purse on the chair she had the bartender stow it for her. She did however ask me if I could keep an eye on her beer, but also suggested if I wanted a sip the only person she might have caught coodies from was me in fact. This was done in earshot of her date. The other bartenders friend was asking guys to buy her drinks, but this was as she was attempting to seduce me who she stood closely by on my side. She never asked me. There was absolute closeness from the women I interacted with but on some level, advances were met with additional resistance. Even if it was they who initiated the contact which was a bit off actually. In some ways it has a level of closeness and cultivates rapport but unlike A1 where it also stimulates arousal that’s where MX412 drops off. Anyway go out and test and see what you come up with. GO about your testing with a clean slate. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/2 "2011-08-09T18:53:24Z")
Extremely awesome and detailed post. When you mentioned that mx412 lacks the sensuality that A1 had, what exactly were you getting.I’ve found that mx412 seems to put girls into a better mood than A1 but kino and closeness falls just short of the original. It seems more like a “get comfortable with me and let’s get silly, let’s enjoy this moment together” mix but it just kinds of stops there, it somehow lacks the depth or connection that A1 provides.Granted though its superior in terms of affecting guy’s moods and the feeling comfortable/feeling good myself category. Certainly made mine more positive. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/3 "2011-08-09T22:46:18Z")
Nice post Steve. I agree with you and Johnny Gslinger that MX412 is a nice mix however it lacks the attraction that A-1 has. It reminds me of [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) in that women don’t mind being close to you but they don’t feel the romantic attraction. I also agree with your opinion of Androtics A-1 Policy. Anyone can OD on A314 and cause extreme male intimidation or IJ and cause a fight to start or Alpha-nol or NONE or P126. Many AD products when used improperly can mean trouble. So why ban just A-1 why not ban all of the above products? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/4 "2011-08-10T00:11:57Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > I also agree with your opinion of Androtics A-1 Policy. Anyone can OD on A314 and cause extreme male intimidation or IJ and cause a fight to start or Alpha-nol or NONE or P126. Many AD products when used improperly can mean trouble. So why ban just A-1 why not ban all of the above products? Because nobody ever used A314 to force a boyfriend into a downward spiral of depression. We just can’t be a part of that. I recommend searching the forum for the full story. As for it not containing the attraction, I considered a -none addition but don’t care for its side effects. Although it may be interesting to pair our “VS -None” MX to it. Anybody who has that may want to combine the two and see what you get! ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/5 "2011-08-10T00:56:18Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Because nobody ever used A314 to **force a boyfriend into a downward spiral of depression. We just can’t be a part of that. I recommend searching the forum for the full story.** > > As for it not containing the attraction, I considered a -none addition but don’t care for its side effects. Although it may be interesting to pair our “VS -None” MX to it. Anybody who has that may want to combine the two and see what you get! I’d like to read the full story but no key words seem to bring anything like this up. Maybe it’s not to be found by searching titles but posts, and in that case it would take a life time to find it. If you know where the story is, please link or list the words to base the search on. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/6 "2011-08-10T01:47:26Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > I’d like to read the full story but no key words seem to bring anything like this up. > Maybe it’s not to be found by searching titles but posts, and in that case it would take a life time to find it. > > If you know where the story is, please link or list the words to base the search on. Some of the story is here :[http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html#post267713](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html#post267713) If you read the whole thread you’ll also see that other made the same argument that I did. Amd John in that thread MHarris makes a suggestion for a formula to replace A-1 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/7 "2011-08-10T18:12:55Z")
I want to clarify that this wasn’t an argument to get AD to resell A1. It’s not! It’s my opinion that I like A1 and while I understand why AD did what they did and disagreed, I’m over it and have an excellent source. Its available elsewhere and AD is not going to sell it anymore. It really is that simple, but if it keeps new and potentially good mixes coming out, hey all the better for us. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/8 "2011-08-10T20:49:30Z")
Steve is forever dubbed as the human rocking chair, FYI. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/9 "2011-08-10T21:16:06Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Steve is forever dubbed as the human rocking chair, FYI. Funny enough I forgot that part of the story, but its best to leave it out anyway. ![IMG_0562.jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/9/9893578f67718226edbf369bdb01f43d07b631e6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/10 "2011-08-12T07:13:35Z")
Great report. I haven’t tried MX412 yet, but it sounds as it may need to contain a bit of some molecule such as [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (although I haven’t tried that either, my opinion is purely based on what I’ve read on the forum). Like Steve, I’m also an A1 lover, personally I don’t think any mix can ever fully replicate its goodness, simply because it’s a single molecule, one of the basic ones we produce, the molecule that makes people love each other unreasonably 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/11 "2011-08-12T20:30:32Z")
I added a smidgen of none to this mix and I had some pretty decent results. By smidgen I mean to every three sprays of MX412 I added 2.5 mcg of none. It seemed to cause enough sexual tension to create harmony and still project a man with desires. I am a man and I do have desires so to hide that would be beta. However I also noticed it threw off a couple things and what those were I’m not quite sure. I get a P91 [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) with some P93 (if we had any) type of vibe from this. Not 100% sure yet but tonight is friday and I plan to do some more testing. I might want to include MX412 with the vs NONE test. I’ll tell you I’m really excited to get to use the new UF2 pack when it arrives. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/12 "2011-10-27T17:56:12Z")
Has Dancing Joker discussed what was in A2? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx412-the-human-rocking-chair/51708/13 "2011-10-27T20:08:38Z")
Only to me, so no.