# My experiments have begun! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 27, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974 "2013-01-27T19:40:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/1 "2013-01-27T19:40:47Z")
So I wrote in another thread awhile ago that I planned on reviewing my newly purchased Ammo (Summer Edition), TUTH, [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/), Instant Openess, and IS. Well unfortunately this weekend was pretty much a dud. Not only was I promised crazy house parties that didn’t come through, but all the girls that did show up (not to sound conceited) were no more than 6.5 out of 10s. First night I sprayed 1x MX297, 1x Ammo, 1x TUTH, and 2x IS. Needless to say, I got hits from every girl at the party (there were 5 hahah, not many to truly experiment on). One even asked me for my number. Normally I ask for the numbers, not the other way around. But let me tell you every single dude wanted to be my best friend. Had a lot of “Yo, Eli! Get in this picture with us!” and “Yo, you met Eli? This is my boy right here!”. Not normally unheard of for me since I am a very generous, nice, and extroverted person, but it was definitely a bit overboard that night. Had a lot of good conversations with people and it seemed like people had a lot of respect/crave to be my friend. Assuming this was mostly the MX297. I started DJ’ing and this is when the girls started to creep in on me. Lots of DIHL situations going on, and my one girl friend who I normally party with/mess around with (if you know what I mean), started asking me if I was just into her as a friend. She wanted more and I didn’t even know what to say. D: Definitely weird. Lots of good vibes and being the center of attention that night. Remained almost completely sober. Next night was a complete dud, but I completely OD’ed on purpose. Everyone was a bit on edge from the night previously (hungover, crashing from drug use, whatever). The liquor ran dry so it just seemed everyone was like “Fuck it.” But the same girls came up to me and asked me if they wanted to ditch and go find a house party. That was the end of their interest in me. I ended up deciding against it and since it was my friend who invited me (wasn’t about to bail on him, I’m not a flakey person.) So almost an hour in, I had already noticed I OD’ed. No aggression from anyone, but the ghosting started taking affect. I just started putting shots back to the face. Other than that, I couldn’t really experiment more. I just wanted to see what was my limit. Now I have tried MX297, IO, IS, and Ammo at work. Lots of neg reactions. No hostility, but it seem people got annoyed with me very easily. Only hit I got was from this one girl with gauges who normally doesn’t talk to me. It just has very mixed/mostly neg reactions at work, so I won’t be wearing it again at work. So alot more experimentation is needed. I just hope I don’t run out before I discover the perfect mix or if these products are just a dud for me. I will note two things I noticed. IS makes me EXHAUSTED 2-4 hours after application unless I’m constantly simulated by social engagements. Not sure if this was just lack of sleep/eating or the IS because I normally never get tired at work until the VERY, VERY end. TUTH seems to be a complete dud and MX297 doesn’t seem to produce as strong results as I was expecting. Yes, lots of people were craving my attention, but I tend to attribute this towards my personality and the combination of liquor. I don’t know, I’m getting rather nervous I won’t find my sweet spot. But again, this wasn’t a weekend with basements packed with people grinding and dancing, so I wasn’t focusing too much on the mones. Any ideas guys? I’m trying to go to a crazy party this weekend and tone down on the mix that has worked best for me so far. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/2 "2013-01-27T19:44:19Z")
Just decided to go to the mall once a day until Friday with each mone by itself, with no more than 2 sprays of each one (I can’t even believe how easy it is to OD). Will post the results. I may combine each one with IS just to see how I will react to each one, but unsure. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/3 "2013-01-27T20:54:11Z")
Just bought [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). 🙂 Been hearing some very good stuff about this. Now I have the ability to try all of the big products from here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/4 "2013-01-28T02:55:51Z")
Nice reports man!! What strength did you get P83 in? I got meself a 15mcg 30ml bottle and a 30mcg 30ml bottle, me too been hearin good things about it!! I plan on testing out [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IS + P83 some time ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/5 "2013-01-28T03:10:43Z")
Hi EGuz, you’re worried you may not find your sweet spots. But I notice you don’t even wear them as standalone, ramping up slowly which is essential in finding it. Try it out 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/6 "2013-01-28T15:00:20Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > Hi EGuz, > > you’re worried you may not find your sweet spots. > But I notice you don’t even wear them as standalone, ramping up slowly which is essential in finding it. > Try it out 🙂 No I know, I know. But with such little time to experiment, I had to jump into mixes. I’ll be testing each product on its own designated day this week (5 products, 5 days). But now with my new [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), so little time to experiment. -\_- I definitely already know no more than 2 sprays of each. And definitely not to wear any of these products at work. And IS should be used strictly with periods of long social engagement, else I get knocked on my ass with exhaustion. As for the amount the P83 is, I believe it’s 15 mcg (5 mL to-go version, neroli scent). I overdose FAARRRRR too easy, so I bought the lowest dosage. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/7 "2013-01-28T16:08:59Z")
[MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)/IO/IS/Ammo at work - I’m not surprised you got erratic reactions! That is sending a strong “I want to be having a party” message - Not particularly work-friendly, unless for an entertainer! ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/8 "2013-01-28T16:30:30Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > MX297/IO/IS/Ammo at work - I’m not surprised you got erratic reactions! That is sending a strong “I want to be having a party” message - Not particularly work-friendly, unless for an entertainer! Haha I know, I was COMPLETELY curious. The only positive reaction was from this 24+ year old dude and this girl with gauges. Other than that, just a lot of frustration from people lol, but I was genuinely curious to see for myself. Guess I’ll just stick to my Chikara at work. Has been working perfectly, so why change it up? Lot’s of consistent, friendly hits from every, including managers. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/9 "2013-01-28T16:48:00Z")
Truthfully, I did get a decent amount of positive reactions from people my own age, but I’m at work, so I look to the older people for respect, which I don’t get with wearing [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). So I’m assuming it’s doing its job, just not in the right setting with the right people. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/10 "2013-01-28T17:08:51Z")
Yes, exactly - This is a party/playtime product that won’t get you taken seriously at work/school but can really deliver if kept for when you can throw yourself headlong into having a very good time. People forget just how sexy a great deal of fun can be to some women - and when you add TUTH, hang-on! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/11 "2013-01-28T17:17:36Z")
I’m thinking I better get some [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) myself, often I like to be the party Not lately with the amount of stress But at other times, certainly has been great being the party ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/12 "2013-01-28T18:59:32Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > I’m thinking I better get some MX297 myself, often I like to be the party > > Not lately with the amount of stress > > But at other times, certainly has been great being the party In my short experience so far with [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/), it’s not really sexual or anything. It just gets alot of people vibing for your attention, yet I’ve noticed it strangely takes a bigger effect on other men. This may have been because I also had TUTH and Ammo on, perhaps intimidating the girls. But dudes were acting like they were my best friend and girls just DIHL’ed. Perhaps without TUTH or Ammo, girls would have been just like the guys as well. Still need alot more experimenting to be done. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/13 "2013-01-28T19:55:11Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > In my short experience so far with MX297, it’s not really sexual or anything. It just gets alot of people vibing for your attention, yet I’ve noticed it strangely takes a bigger effect on other men. This may have been because I also had TUTH and Ammo on, perhaps intimidating the girls. But dudes were acting like they were my best friend and girls just DIHL’ed. Perhaps without TUTH or Ammo, girls would have been just like the guys as well. Still need alot more experimenting to be done. hmm Its quite congruent with a womans sexual process to be initially socially attracted to you anyway, and then later on becoming sexually attracted/interested in you, and proceeding to sex later on So [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) in the beginning could work quite well for the be the party vibe and later on as you make more connections with women becoming more sexual with them at the right time, i.e. expecially if they are giving you signals / IOIs or are initiating it themselves Yeah I’m thinking of doing a mainly social mix by itself at some point, and having some sexual -mones in me pocket to put on later on in the night (e.g. after some chicks have initiated some interest in me) Important though not to go straight from “She’s Attracted” to “Lets have Sex” I mean heck this has happened for me plenty of times, however thats not the typical way, according to the mystery method its good to qualify at least a bit before moving into the lets have sex, or at least be interested in her for some other reason than her sex I havent been too interested in jumping too fast into sex as I dont feel as naturally comfortable with it as I did when it was actually a goal to be able to fast SNL. So I might wear MX297 by itself just for the heck of it, to have fun, you never know what happens later see how it goes ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/14 "2013-01-28T23:08:19Z")
I’d have to say [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) and IS is definitely a very awesome “life of the party” feel from everyone. Try it without sexual mones like you said, then up the anty with sexual mones as the night progresses. Tomorrow I’ll be testing TUTH at school and slowly ramp it up (I go to a community college for now in NJ, definitely not a prude or conservative environment, so it’d probably be safe.) Gonna start from 1/2 spray and go until I clearly OD on it. Hopefully no one tries to kill me. D: ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/15 "2013-01-28T23:58:23Z")
[The Pheros Experience](http://www.zombyt.blogspot.com). Decided to make a blog about my [pheromone](https://a314.com/) experiences. I’ll keep a thread update as well with the same exact posts. I’m also going to put the link in my signature in case I forget to update it on the thread here. First review of Chikara should be up in a few minutes, matter of factly. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/16 "2013-01-29T01:48:26Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > In my short experience so far with MX297, it’s not really sexual or anything. It just gets alot of people vibing for your attention, yet I’ve noticed it strangely takes a bigger effect on other men. This may have been because I also had TUTH and Ammo on, perhaps intimidating the girls. But dudes were acting like they were my best friend and girls just DIHL’ed. Perhaps without TUTH or Ammo, girls would have been just like the guys as well. Still need alot more experimenting to be done. You also said you were using IS/IO alongside it - IMO you don’t need that as 297 is amply social on its own - All the IS/IO could be doing here is muddling the [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) feel and driving the none in TUTH and Ammo further back in the mix. This is why it is such a good idea to get to know each phero individually first - Once you know how they behave as a standalone, it soon becomes much easier to assess how they perform in combo in a mix and where they may or may not be needed. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/17 "2013-01-29T02:06:58Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > hmm > > Its quite congruent with a womans sexual process to be initially socially attracted to you anyway, and then later on becoming sexually attracted/interested in you, and proceeding to sex later on > > So MX297 in the beginning could work quite well for the be the party vibe and later on as you make more connections with women becoming more sexual with them at the right time, i.e. expecially if they are giving you signals / IOIs or are initiating it themselves > > Yeah I’m thinking of doing a mainly social mix by itself at some point, and having some sexual -mones in me pocket to put on later on in the night (e.g. after some chicks have initiated some interest in me) Yes - That’s exactly how I’ve found it best to use [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) - Let it do its work alone for a while, then add-in some TUTH or plain Androstenone once closeness and kino/escalation hare established. The sexual trajectory should then go rapidly upwards. And if I’m using P83 in there, I would apply it alongside the 297, not wait till I apply the TUTH - Although I might add some more at that point too but this is a secondary consideration as MX297 and a sexual is quite viable without it. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/18 "2013-01-29T02:20:14Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > I’d have to say MX297 and IS is definitely a very awesome “life of the party” feel from everyone. Try it without sexual mones like you said, then up the anty with sexual mones as the night progresses. Tomorrow I’ll be testing TUTH at school and slowly ramp it up (I go to a community college for now in NJ, definitely not a prude or conservative environment, so it’d probably be safe.) Gonna start from 1/2 spray and go until I clearly OD on it. Hopefully no one tries to kill me. D: [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) is sounding good, expecially for NYE. NYE I like to have fun, and LOADS of fun. maximum enjoyment, infact nye is one time of year when i dont give a crap about women, and just have maximum fun thinking about it though, so many women want to hook up on nye, maybe i should pay them some attention lol, i pay attention to some women on nye when its fun and often makeout on nye with afew different women, but i couldnt care less about closing, maybe it would be a good idea though as that seems like womens favorite time of year for a hookup NYE: MX297 + IS. The end, maybe throw some IO in there, yes MX297 + IS + IO for nye maybe, i dunno, will need to see if any of the ingredients in MX297 are too overlapped by IO (or less likely, IS) ok so after writing the above^ I just read mobocasters new post: > [@mobocaster](#): > > You also said you were using IS/IO alongside it - IMO you don’t need that as 297 is amply social on its own - All the IS/IO could be doing here is muddling the MX297 feel and driving the none in TUTH and Ammo further back in the mix. > > This is why it is such a good idea to get to know each phero individually first - Once you know how they behave as a standalone, it soon becomes much easier to assess how they perform in combo in a mix and where they may or may not be needed. This is interesting, so what would you recommend for a NYE of maximum fun and enjoyment, dont care about picking up chicks, do care about having lots and lots of fun!!! MX297 looks like a good one, but I dunno if i need to use something else with it, i always like IS, so maybe IS in there, maybe IO so i get more chatty since im not always a chatty person and so people around me chat more ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/19 "2013-01-29T02:57:49Z")
**Really!** - Give [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) a go as a standalone first, with only an overt sexual in reserve. It is a very social, playful, entertaining and engaging mix all on its own and adding anything else can change/detract from that. You certainly do not need to make it more chatty or happy - that is well covered already. The reason I’ve found that something overt like TUTH or just Androstenone is best is that it adds the maximum sexual impact with the least alteration of MX297’s properties overall. Once you have the hang of that, you can then start exploring the “MX297 Mix Repository” thread for more effective combos but it all hinges on using MX297 effectively as a standalone first and then steering it to suit you a bit better - don’t just blanket it with a layer of what you know aready works for you - that way you will never get to grips with the character and nuances of individual mixes - I’m convinced this approach is why so many guys have not done so well with it recently. And don’t just save it for NYE - I’ve turned the most unpromising midweek “quiet drink” nights into raving madness, ending in a rapid departure for the sort of sex that had me crawling bleary-eyed into work the next morning and hobbling for several days after with this combo - no wonder my joints are getting worn-out! 😉 :o 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974/20 "2013-01-29T04:12:03Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > **Really!** - Give MX297 a go as a standalone first, with only an overt sexual in reserve. It is a very social, playful, entertaining and engaging mix all on its own and adding anything else can change/detract from that. You certainly do not need to make it more chatty or happy - that is well covered already. > > The reason I’ve found that something overt like TUTH or just Androstenone is best is that it adds the maximum sexual impact with the least alteration of MX297’s properties overall. > > Once you have the hang of that, you can then start exploring the “MX297 Mix Repository” thread for more effective combos but it all hinges on using MX297 effectively as a standalone first and then steering it to suit you a bit better - don’t just blanket it with a layer of what you know aready works for you - that way you will never get to grips with the character and nuances of individual mixes - I’m convinced this approach is why so many guys have not done so well with it recently. > > And don’t just save it for NYE - I’ve turned the most unpromising midweek “quiet drink” nights into raving madness, ending in a rapid departure for the sort of sex that had me crawling bleary-eyed into work the next morning and hobbling for several days after with this combo - no wonder my joints are getting worn-out! 😉 :o 😃 lol Thanks mobocaster! Looks good I will try out [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) by itself first, sounds like a good MX!! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-experiments-have-begun/57974.md?page=2)