# My first experiences with pheromones report **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 12, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190 "2011-07-12T12:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/1 "2011-07-12T12:05:51Z")
I ordered IS, A314, and Ammo, all to-go bottles since I am trying them out to see which ones work for me, the delivery was quick considering that I am in Thailand, and I also received a bonus TUTH bottle (Thank you AD!) The smell of the package was really nice 🙂 First day, I tried IS 1x sprayed on my chest, I love the smell of IS, and I don’t know if its the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) or the scent, but it really makes me feel happy. One spray of 1x IS didn’t do much for me, I realized later that one spray 1x strength is way too weak for me, but at the time I just wanted to follow the rulebook of pheros about being patient and finding my sweet spot. However my patience got the better of me. Later that night I was meeting up with a girl who I have known for years. She thinks of me as her brother because we’ve known each other since childhood and we both come from the same cultural background. Since its the first day of mones for me, I decided to try it out on her just for kicks 🙂 I wanted to test the Ammo, I forgot about the dosage and sprayed 1x on my left forearm, 1x on my right forearm, 1x sprayed to the neck, and 1x spray to my chest (I know serious overdose!), I was in a big rush because I was late so I didn’t think clearly at the time. What happened next proved to me that pheromones are real! She was sitting on the sofa and there is another seat right on the sofa, when she saw me she smiled and indicated to me to sit next to her, I went and sat right next to her. Suddenly one second after I sat down she retracted back very quickly, like she was surprised about something. If I had smelled bad, she would definitely have told me, we knew each other for ages, and she would never be too afraid to tell me that I was stinking. So I don’t think it was the smell that repelled her. She didn’t cringe her face or make any indication that she smelled something funky, I was very observant of her facial expression, it didn’t indicate the she smelled something nasty at all, but I could easily tell that she didn’t feel comfortable with me sitting right next to her because she moved farther to sit away from me. This has NEVER happened before, just last week I was sitting right next to her (we were actually leaning on each other) while watching some videos on IPad, so I know I didn’t invade her personal space by sitting next to her. Something about the overdose of Ammo repelled her. To continue with this experience, I pretended to not care about her retreat, I just played with my iphone as if nothing happened. She didn’t say anything though, so I don’t know what was going on in her mind. Of course, my curiosity got the better of me so I sneeked a peek at her to see what she’s doing, she was actually staring at me, like she doesn’t trust me or something. When she saw me look back at her, she pretended to look somewhere else, but I know something is not normal here. I thought it was kind of funny at the time 🙂 Some of my friends came over and I could tell that she was actually relieved to not be in this uncomfortable situation, my friends didn’t seem to notice anything although after her reaction I didn’t dare go close to anybody much wearing 4x ammo, I kept my distance throughout the next hour before going home. With this experience, I realize for the first time that mones do have effects on others. Yes, this is a negative hit, but it is positive to me because it answered my doubts. By the way, the very next day she gave me a call to ask me out to go shopping with her, as if nothing has happened yesterday! Did she forget what happened? I am still trying to make sense of it all. ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/2 "2011-07-12T12:21:31Z")
After my experience with ammo, I decided that i will have to find a more appropriate setting for its use, the next day I had to meet a client to show him an apartment that I was renting out. Reading about the experiences of others with A314, I decided that it may help me gain his confidence and trust in me. Honesty is important in the real estate business, if you can get a client to believe that you’re trying to help him/her and to trust you, the deal is already more than half done! I seem to find difficulty getting clients to rent out this particular apartment, so I thought that A314 wouldn’t hurt. I sprayed two doses of A314 on my chest and my left arm. Well, he didn’t talk alot throughout the showing of the property, but this is the first time I met him, so I don’t know if its his personality to not talk much, but I got the deal! Finally, after almost ten attempts at renting this apartment, I finally got the deal 🙂 I don’t know if this has to do with A314, I am still a newbie so I can’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/3 "2011-07-12T17:32:41Z")
I know it is a huge temptation to load them all on at once but IME, introducing friends to your new signature with pheros is something you should do slowly - Esp where none is concerned. It can be a bit of a shock to them, although few will come straight out and say it. As you found, most will demonstrate by body language etc. Saying that, you will find the socials can be much better accepted, even at higher doses. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![skittishsynapses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@skittishsynapses](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/skittishsynapses)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/4 "2011-07-12T21:13:24Z")
Oh bugger. I had written you a nice response Leomessi and I’ll have to start again! Being that you’re 23 (read that in your intro), you’re producing a high amount of none, so spraying on that much ammo just bumped that up. You’ll want to stay around 1-2 sprays because of your age group. I’m 27 and usually stick to that rule. One along my forearms and rub or along my neck. The older you get, the more your none production drops off, so that’s why the older users on here are using 3-4 sprays. As far as none is concerned, a little goes a long way. You could try to buffer it with the social mones. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) has a youthful, semi sexiness to it, so you could 3-4 and see how that works for you and your friend. The other thing is you’re from Thailand and Asians generally aren’t receptive to high levels of nones. Tisha wrote something on the topic..here’s an excerpt: "A high percentage of Asian men produce low testosterone. This is fact. So they produce less of the heavy aggressive pheromones that are derived from testosterone. Now lets move onto culture. There are studies in the abstract section that indicate that females attract to men with similar pheromone signatures as there male role models growing up. If they have grown up in a Asian country with little exposure to other ethnic groups Asian women are generally turned off by high [anone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) signatures. Its to aggressive and distasteful to them. " Here’s the link to that: [Pheromones for different ethnicities](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-different-ethnicities/38113/3) So keeping your ammo sprays low and socials high might where you should experiment. 🙂 Good job with the observations! PS. here’s another interesting thread for you to read: [Body's natural pheromone and link to race?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bodys-natural-pheromone-and-link-to-race/43891) ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/5 "2011-07-13T05:02:58Z")
> [@skittishsynapses](#): > > Oh bugger. I had written you a nice response Leomessi and I’ll have to start again! > > Being that you’re 23 (read that in your intro), you’re producing a high amount of none, so spraying on that much ammo just bumped that up. You’ll want to stay around 1-2 sprays because of your age group. I’m 27 and usually stick to that rule. One along my forearms and rub or along my neck. The older you get, the more your none production drops off, so that’s why the older users on here are using 3-4 sprays. As far as none is concerned, a little goes a long way. You could try to buffer it with the social mones. > > Instant Shine has a youthful, semi sexiness to it, so you could 3-4 and see how that works for you and your friend. > > The other thing is you’re from Thailand and Asians generally aren’t receptive to high levels of nones. Tisha wrote something on the topic..here’s an excerpt: > > "A high percentage of Asian men produce low testosterone. This is fact. So they produce less of the heavy aggressive pheromones that are derived from testosterone. Now lets move onto culture. There are studies in the abstract section that indicate that females attract to men with similar pheromone signatures as there male role models growing up. If they have grown up in a Asian country with little exposure to other ethnic groups Asian women are generally turned off by high [anone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) signatures. Its to aggressive and distasteful to them. " > > Here’s the link to that: [Pheromones for different ethnicities](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-different-ethnicities/38113/3) > > So keeping your ammo sprays low and socials high might where you should experiment. 🙂 Good job with the observations! > > PS. here’s another interesting thread for you to read: [Body's natural pheromone and link to race?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bodys-natural-pheromone-and-link-to-race/43891) Thanks for that, although I am am a Thai national with Indian origins, I think that Indians would probably produce more nones right? Just today I only had one dose of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), while talking to a client, I purposely went close to her to point at some detail in the apartment, she didn’t react immediately, but after about 30 seconds, she started becoming interested in me. Before the exposure to Ammo she didn’t really look at me while talking, she mainly looked around the apartment, but once she got a whiff of the ammo, she really took an interest in me to the point that her talking changes and her facial expression changes, for me Ammo’s hits are so obvious, they are not subtle at all! ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/6 "2011-07-13T05:05:16Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I know it is a huge temptation to load them all on at once but IME, introducing friends to your new signature with pheros is something you should do slowly - Esp where none is concerned. It can be a bit of a shock to them, although few will come straight out and say it. As you found, most will demonstrate by body language etc. > > Saying that, you will find the socials can be much better accepted, even at higher doses. 🙂 I am getting more [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) definitely, just for its self-effects alone, it also lifts the mood of others around me as well, win-win 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/7 "2011-07-13T05:10:01Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > It can be a bit of a shock to them, although few will come straight out and say it. As you found, most will demonstrate by body language etc So you think that it was so bad smelling that she didn’t want to embarrass me by saying that i was stinking? I guess that could be the case, since she has never smelt this on me before, it is a foreign smell to her, and she may not be able to identify it. If only I could see what was going on in her mind, I wish she would have told me straight out that i was stinking, because I myself can’t tell that I was stinking. I am in the fraction of those guys who can’t detect the smell of none, maybe I should get the unscented one to find out what it smells like. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/8 "2011-07-13T23:22:53Z")
I don’t believe he meant the smell. Its more about the sudden change in character. ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/9 "2011-07-14T06:26:12Z")
You’re right Steve, I don’t know much about how pheromones work, some people can detect it, others don’t, I guess that’s normal in everything in life. The best thing is to get pheromones that the majority of people can detect right? ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/10 "2011-07-14T06:31:40Z")
> [@Leomessi10](#): > > **So you think that it was so bad smelling that she didn’t want to embarrass me by saying that i was stinking?** I guess that could be the case, since she has never smelt this on me before, it is a foreign smell to her, and she may not be able to identify it. If only I could see what was going on in her mind, I wish she would have told me straight out that i was stinking, because I myself can’t tell that I was stinking. I am in the fraction of those guys who can’t detect the smell of none, maybe I should get the unscented one to find out what it smells like. **NO.** What they mean is that you had a **vibe** that was different. The mones changed **her** perception of you - which made her pull away because she “knows” you and all of a sudden **you’re different**. Because of the mones. ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/11 "2011-07-14T06:36:15Z")
Sorry Astrea, I am not a good writer, I guess the way I wrote that line sounds like I am challenging your opinion, its not that way at all 🙂 Please calm down, I really appreciate your opinion, thank you for helping me, the world of pheromones is very confusing to me, I am still trying to figure out whether it is all just a placebo effect or not, it is so hard you know, thanks for understanding. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/12 "2011-07-14T06:48:19Z")
looking forward to more reports from thailand ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/13 "2011-07-14T06:48:28Z")
> [@Leomessi10](#): > > Sorry Astrea, I am not a good writer, I guess the way I wrote that line sounds like I am challenging your opinion, its not that way at all 🙂 Please calm down, I really appreciate your opinion, thank you for helping me, the world of pheromones is very confusing to me, I am still trying to figure out whether it is all just a placebo effect or not, it is so hard you know, thanks for understanding. Leomessi, nobody is excited. Nobody is upset. You’re missing the point completely. She didn’t think you were “stinking” as you put it. The mones changed her view of you; you now gave off a different vibration. The bold words are for emphasis of direction, not “excitement” or “agitation”. You have just seen for yourself the hits are there. What is your reasoning for bringing the placebo word into the conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/14 "2011-07-14T15:50:01Z")
My reasoning for bringing up the placebo effect is primarily because I don’t know why I repelled her, the smell of -none (it’s proven to have an offensive smell to some people) or the signature change. If it was the latter, then sure pheromones work, but what if its the former? I have read this forum and other related forums and I know what you’re talking about Andrea 🙂, sorry for misreading your responses to think you’re offended, I guess its your style of writing. You like to burst in with very short sentences, you bold some words, you use lots of quotation marks. I hope you understand why I would think you were upset. I don’t anymore, because I now know that this is your style of talking Cheers 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/15 "2011-07-14T15:55:27Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I don’t believe he meant the smell. Its more about the sudden change in character. It might be true Steve, I think i totally OD’d on Ammo that night, this is the symptom of a -none OD right? ---
**Author:** ![Bad\_Method](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Bad\_Method](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bad_Method)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/16 "2011-07-14T16:04:55Z")
Although it was a negative response, thats still good to know that spraying that much would get really weird feedback. Im still learning about these products, so in all seriousness, does spraying that much actually make you smell like ass? ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experiences-with-pheromones-report/51190/17 "2011-07-14T16:35:17Z")
You’re right Method, it does give me a very weird feedback, and that is why I feel that Ammo gives me some interesting overt effects, but whether that is due to bad scent or pheromone signature change, that to me is the million dollar question. I need to find out more through more experimentation 🙂 For me i didn’t notice the ass smell at all, I guess I am one of those who cannot detect -none, or at least for me the alcohol smell blocked me from sensing the bad smell, -none wasn’t offensive at least to me. However I forgot to add in the report, I did feel sort of agitated after wearing it for some time, like I felt hot in the face, but this only happens at least two hours wearing it. Don’t know if this is relevant, but I can feel that the self-effects of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and Ammo are so completely different. With IS, I felt happiness as if my spirits were lifted, but I don’t feel this with Ammo. Could this be the mones or the scent?