# My first Mix results - Too Much... or not enough? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 8, 2007, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919 "2007-10-08T05:27:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Faber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/97f17d/32.png) [@Faber](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Faber)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2007, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/1 "2007-10-08T05:27:33Z")
So I finally ordered a whole mess of products, and after gathering some iniitial impressions of their solo effects, I decided to try my hand and mixing. Now I’ve got this one girl, with whom I’m in the surrogate father/brother zone - It’s a common theme with me and women. Not a barrel of fun, but once in awhile things’ll get physical. Regardless, she’s one of my primary targets. Last Thursday I made her REALLY uncomfortable with a p83/TUTH combination (she started crying, getting really mad, then apologizing, crying, getting mad, etc..) it was interesting to say the least, but also pretty sad. I ended up walking home that night. OK, so you guys are probably going to think I’m a bastard based off that alone, but bare with me. We made plans to get together again last night, and I decided to go for an ease-tensions-but-with-a-hint-of-sex type mix **Here’s what a went with:** 3x Spaceland - 1x back, 2x top of head (decided to go for dispersal. Spaceland rocks!) 4x [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) - 2x back, 2x chest 2x Instant Honesty - (2x str, from to-go bottle) one per shoulder 3x TAL - 1x chest, 2x back (5mcg/spray) 3x p83 - 2x chest, 1x back (5mcg/spray) 3x Turn up the Heat - crotch **Yeah, that’s a lot…** So I show up at her house, and her cat starts freaking out (I found that really amusing). Things still arent too cool between us, but after awhile we decided to go and rent a movie. Twenty minute car ride later, and as we’re in Hollywood video, she keeps nuzzling me, then freaking out about it and walking away. After another 30 minutes of indeciciveness, we dedcided to head to another, local, video place - but not after acquiring a craving for candy. So we start walking across the parking lot to a supermarket, and out of the blue she starts pulling my shirt up wanting to check out my assorted scars. It’s pretty awkward, considering it’s 40 degrees out, and we’re in public. So I put and end to it. We buy some processed sugar, and get back to the car all without incident. In the car on the way to the next rental place, my buddy calls me (who pretty much hates her), I tell her not to make a sound. So I’m parked in the lot, talking to him, and **she starts licking my elbow.** That’s new. Pretty sure she was just looking for attention, but still… As we’re in the store, she’s all kinds of all over me. But eventually we ended up picking a movie, and headed back to her place. I’m thinking alright… tonight’s gonna be a good night. So we get back about an hour and a half after we left, her cat freaks out again, and we end up making nachos while watching random crap on youtube. She ended up deciding that her bed was the best place to watch the movie from. I’m good right? **No.** Thirty minutes into it, she falls asleep curled up next to me. I’m sure she was tired, but still… damn. So that’s my report. If I went into too much detail, sorry about that. I’ll probably end up seeing her again next week, and it’s pretty obvious that mix the worked, but what I’m wondering is should I go for a little less comfort, a little more intimate mix the next time around? I’m thinking some tweaks are necessary, but I dont want to push her to the crying-point again. I came up with a couple options, and I’d love your opinions/insights on them: - Reapply TAL before the actual jumping into bed phase (maybe it wore off?) - More Turn up the Heat (it obviously works) - Turn up the Heat applied to a different area - More p83 - Throw some p79 on top of the rest of it - Caffinate her I’ve got p79, p83, IFM, TUTH, Spaceland, Honesty, Openness, A314, Shine, TAL, Edge, and Liquid Trust at my disposal. I’m wary about A314 (got some great stories about that one), but everything else I’m totally willing to dump on. Any advice is absolutley welcome. Thanks guys! ---
**Author:** ![Savinien](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/savinien/32/1310_2.png) [@Savinien](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Savinien)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/2 "2007-10-13T16:59:00Z")
I think you’re using way too much. I would try ONE spray, at most, of each of those products, if I was using so many products all together. The guys that use such complex, high-dose mixes with success have lots of experience and already know how they (and the target) will react, for the most part. Work you way up, so your experiments are at lower dose risk levels at first. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/3 "2007-10-13T20:02:15Z")
Sounds like too much [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), as for her falling asleep, but then again, when you’re in bed and comfortable and in good company, it’s hard not to fall asleep. Annnnd … probably too much Turn Up The Heat to the crotch … I’d say max, two to the neck is pretty much all you need … especially in a closed environment … you may have been fine at a club. Annnd, you can put 83 on your forearms or wrist, and TUTH to your chest or neck. Just my two cents, and I’m no pro. I reserve all rights to be WRONG. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![May](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/may/32/1909_2.png) [@May](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/May)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/4 "2007-10-13T22:20:36Z")
Seems to me you are giving out a heck of a lot of wildly mixed signals with that lot. P83 has two effects on me. It either really makes me irritable (at high dose) or makes me feel very secure and comfortable (the emphasis is on sensual rather than sexual). Admittedly you are not using a high-dose 15mcg total but then add in three sprays of Turn Up The Heat. Which again can really hack women off and make younger women run in the opposite direction. I love the stuff but then I am in my 40s. I’m not sure how old your target girl is, but as you are 28 I wonder if the on then off aggression/ tearfulness/ running away could be the Turn Up The Heat. I also wonder if at 28 with all the other pheros 3 sprays of Turn Up The Heat might be od. Then on top of all this is the other pheros and the come hither and be comforted non threatening [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). Depending on her age and cycle she may not know which way is up. If it was me, and I’m a gurllll (as M&M says) so what do I know? 😉 I would back track a bit build some comfort lay off the Turn Up The Heat a bit and then slowly introduce it. It doesn’t sound quite like she is ready to move into full on bedroom activity just yet anyway. It’s a shame you don’t have ammo, a spray of that might be better than the heavy, heavy none of Turn Up The Heat. Just my two cents worth - but I may well be wrong. may EDIT and M&M? I’ve got to log off now, but I shall be back to sort you out tomorrow - and I’m bringing the boxing gloves… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/5 "2007-10-14T00:18:56Z")
> [@May](#): > > EDIT and M&M? I’ve got to log off now, but I shall be back to sort you out tomorrow - and I’m bringing the boxing gloves… 😛 Come back and fight like a man, you coward! 😠 And bring that kitten wit’cha … a two for one is a gooooooood day! 🆒 🙄 🆒 🆒 I’ll fight a gurrrrrrl! 🆒 😠 Bus’er side the head with a loaf of bread! 😠 ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/6 "2007-10-14T02:02:13Z")
> [@Faber](#): > > **Here’s what a went with:** > 3x Spaceland - 1x back, 2x top of head (decided to go for dispersal. Spaceland rocks!) > 4x Instant Female Magic - 2x back, 2x chest > 2x Instant Honesty - (2x str, from to-go bottle) one per shoulder > 3x TAL - 1x chest, 2x back (5mcg/spray) > 3x p83 - 2x chest, 1x back (5mcg/spray) > 3x Turn up the Heat - crotch Well, I’m not sure about p83 or spaceland, But IMHO I think you went way heavy on the instant female magic and the TUTH. I would drop the TUTH to one spray for the next time you meet her. 2 sprays the time after that. 3 sprays the time after that. When you ramp up the -none like that, it introduces the target female to it in a not-so-conspicuous manner, and that can lead to great (read:bed) results. Instantly changing your signature that drastically probably freaked out her senses some, and that’s why you got such bizarre reactions from her. her brain knew it was you, by way of sight and sound, primarily. But her subconscious was like who the F&$k is this guy? Smell is by far and away the most powerful connectivity sense with memories, and by using that many different -mones with someone you’re familiar with, and who is familiar with your natural signature, you threw a very large wrench into some very small gears. As far as her licking your elbow, I doubt that was -mone related. Usually -mone related lickings seem to be at the point of application. She was just being goofy and trying to mess with you, I think. Also, unless you’re trying to make her lose her concentration and train of thought, I’d drop the spaceland entirely from the mix. You’re trying to bring her from friend into seduction. Making her lose her train of thought like that may actually make her more tense. Just my two cents worth. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/7 "2007-10-14T04:17:57Z")
Tater saw your post a few days ago and his first thought was…this guys out of control, especially for a newbie. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-mix-results-too-much-or-not-enough/5919/8 "2007-10-14T13:40:58Z")
Faber You overdoing it. Her alternate crying and is apologizing is a indication that your ODing on TUTH. Go with 1 spray. Why you sprayed it to your crotch has me puzzled. Go with your chest. Drop the spaceland. Yes I know it rocks but not for the situation you are looking for. Actually I would also tone down the TAL and the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) to 2 sprays. IFM, 4 sprays, is she normally a really moody person? If not way way over board. 1 spray. Believe me more is not better with these products most of the time. The guys who use alot successfully know what they are doing because they have been using them for a long time. > [@](#): > > OK, so you guys are probably going to think I’m a bastard based off that alone, but bare with me. > [@](#): > > Now I’ve got this one girl, with whom I’m in the surrogate father/brother zone I dont judge people and I am assuming she is of age at least. She seems to know you well and your changing your signature drastically. Its probably caused alot of counfused emotions and feeling that she dosnt know what to do with especially if she is on the younger side. If I were you I would only go with 3 products tops. I say 3 because I am assuming you already tried them one at a time around her. You didnt indicate if you got any reaction when you were watching youtube or the movie but you were getting plenty of IOI earlier. You do realize this was when your move should have been made. The mones are not going to do all the work for you. You have to look for the IOI and then react to it. Use the socials before you see her and while your running your errands together then when you know alone time is approuching excuse yourself to the bathroom if possible and use your sexual mixes like TUTH and P83. I am putting P83 in this catogory because of the way I felt when I wore it. It came across as sensual, seductive and touchy to me. Hence her looking under your shirt and licking you. Tisha