# My first OD? TUTH and IO with an ex led to instant irritation at dinner **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 24, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754 "2009-09-24T04:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/1 "2009-09-24T04:32:19Z")
2 shots of TUTH and 2 Shots of IO. I’m in contact with an ex from time to time (yeah, you know the sort of contact :-)) and I thought what better person to test a little TUTH on. She is incredibly over sexed… I was the one that had to say no when we were going out. Sad but true! Anyway I though, now she would be the perfect person to test this on. Well, what a back fire! I invited her over for dinner last night. I had a shower before she arrived, TRIED to give myself just one shot of TUTH and half missed my neck, so I thought oh well lets have another (this is the ToGo size bottle). Couple of shots of IO and I’m good to go. She arrived and we were almost instantly pissed off with one another. I was thinking, WTF is going on here? I was just incredibly pissed at her for know reason at all – as was she with me. Then I remembered reading about the OD thing. I wanted to get some, so I thought about things and got a plan together. I wanted to test if I could reverse what was going on long enough to get my way. Boy oh boy it was HARD work. But I got there in the end (three hours later!!!) with a stinking head ache. She ended up staying the night and neither of us got to much sleep (not from to much bonking) we were both just really at wits end and fidgeting around. At one point I had to get up and walk around for a bit. Ended up back in bed and started doing some breathing exercises to relax. Then the strangest thing happened…. How can I explain this without sounding nuts….? I was thinking about things and then I realized my thoughts were being materialized about a foot outside of my head… it was just really weird. Kind of scary. This has never happened to me before… has anyone ever had this happen before? I think I’ll not use TUTH for the moment. It doesn’t smell that great either I found. Had an under tone of sweaty gym socks. Was ok but I’d be worried if others could smell it also. But, next time I get it out, I’ll make sure its only ONE shot! ---
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/2 "2009-09-24T04:37:53Z")
Oops posted this in the wrong place… can it be moved to the tips and tricks? Can I do that, or is that something Steve has to do? ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/3 "2009-09-24T21:39:14Z")
honestly i don’t personally think that it is an OD of sorts… In my opinion I think you might have used the wrong product at the wrong time.. .I’ve always thought of TUTH to be the one you used when you’ve already ‘reeled a girl in’ if you know what i mean. I think that TUTH used in a setting where the intense attraction hadn’t occured yet (beginning of the day/night) could give the OD like symptoms. If I were you I would try to get some AMMO quick because it will attract women but won’t be overbearing if you’re not already both in the zone. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/4 "2009-09-24T22:47:53Z")
I’ve used None successfully with women I was already “on” with and it has created an even more animalistic mood… But… Be verrrrryyyyyy wary if it’s around menstruation time. It can turn even the sweetest gal in the world into a firebreathing, man hating dragon in a skirt 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/5 "2009-09-24T23:01:14Z")
> [@BLADE](#): > > I’ve used None successfully with women I was already “on” with and it has created an even more animalistic mood… > > But… > > Be verrrrryyyyyy wary if it’s around menstruation time. It can turn even the sweetest gal in the world into a firebreathing, man hating dragon in a skirt 🙂 noted! good for when they’re ovulating… not so good when they’re pms’ing or on the rag (apologies if anyone takes offense to the terminology). ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/6 "2009-09-25T00:44:20Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > noted! > > good for when they’re ovulating… not so good when they’re pms’ing or on the rag (apologies if anyone takes offense to the terminology). ^^^I literally lol’d when I read that!🙂 Seriously though, TUTH is perhaps too much. If you were going to use it maybe use it with some nols and some [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) to help buffer it. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/7 "2009-09-25T00:57:58Z")
if there was such a thing as IFM anymore ☹ ---
**Author:** ![LastTry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@LastTry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LastTry)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 11:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/8 "2009-09-25T11:36:15Z")
i used turn up the heat on a ex once, but she was comming over for sex. she ended up asking me what it was i was wearing. she also kept smelling me and she was getting off on it. then we had some really good sex. i think TUTH is a bit of touch and go. you need to use it at the right time only. if you are unsure if it is the right time then it is the WRONG time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/9 "2009-09-25T16:19:57Z")
This relates to the smelly gym socks reference you made. What you are smelling is the raw androstenone and yes it should and does smell like body odor 🙂. I remember getting my very first order of IFM way back in early 2007. I used to think it stunk to high-noon in hell. I would wear it under my sleeves with a jacket on top of that and three sprays of cologne on the back of my hands. I could still smell it and remember clearly that I was so overcome with distress while wearing it I was sure that everyone would think was homeless and needed a shower. On every occasion I went out I was so self-conscious of the alleged stench I didn’t focus on any of the actual hits. Well finally here’s what happened. I had it in my beloved Jeep at the time and I was heading towards my favorite testing grounds-BuckyStars. Well problem now was I was wearing a t-shirt and had no cover up cologne so I just went for it. I sprayed three sprays and went into the store. Well the barista was like OMG (Oh jeez Louise here it comes. She’s going to tell me to leave and come back after I showered) you smell incredible! What’s that cologne you are wearing? Hey other female barista’s come over here and smell this guy cologne. Needless to say I never wore cologne with mones again and all my self-consciousness turned into self-confidence which makes all the difference. Mind you IFM did not have any cover scent as it contains A1 and the patent says it can’t be used with cologne. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/10 "2009-09-25T19:20:39Z")
nice story… too bad we can’t get IFM :gently weeps himself into a nap: ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/11 "2009-09-25T21:53:13Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > nice story… too bad we can’t get IFM > > :gently weeps himself into a nap: Maybe just call the miracle man and see what he can do 😉 ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/12 "2009-09-25T22:04:27Z")
8D Oh i will… oh.. .i … will ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/13 "2009-09-25T22:06:48Z")
when you talk to the miracle man let me know 😉 hahahahhaha ---
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-od-tuth-and-io-with-an-ex-led-to-instant-irritation-at-dinner/32754/14 "2009-09-25T22:46:18Z")
Thanks guys, I am inclined to agree at the moment that if you’re not sure if it’s the right time then don’t use it. That said, this was the first test for me and the mood had not been set on this particular occasion. I will try it out by its self in a social setting to see what happens. And hopefully get some hits like you Steve. The smell of it made me think back to when my father was a competitive cycle racer (20 odd years ago). Mum would do all the washing and mine would get thrown in with everything else as well. Anyway, on a number of occasions I said to Mum “my shirts stink!!! I can’t wear this” she grabbed them and would have a smell and say “they’re fine, smell nice….” I was like, how can you say that smells nice? Now I know why, I guess it was Dads mones that I could smell and she obviously liked them but not I…. interesting how the other sex think what smells bad to us smells good to them. I will give this a few more goes by its self and see what happens. Looking for the sweet spot on this one could be fun 🙂 …