# My first order: Ammo, TUTH, P73, P74, IO, IS and IH, is this a good selection? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 6, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483 "2012-12-06T15:20:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/1 "2012-12-06T15:20:20Z")
Hey guys, on Tuesday I’m going to be making my first order of: 2 x Ammo (30ml) 2 x TUTH (30ml) 1 x P73 (30ml, 15 mcg) 1 x P74 (30ml, 15 mcg) 2 x IO (To-Go) 2 x IS (To-Go) 2 x IH (To-Go) Total: $353.48 \>\> $337AU So I’m wondering before I purchace this bunch of mones that I’ve got a good selection? Can I please get some advice about my order. I just want to get a good, long lasting set that I can use. Any substitutions or changes I should make to this order? Curious about the P73 and P74. Just wondering about the concentration that I have chosen. I’m just looking for advice because I believe that these mones will work (I’ve tried a [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) from a petrol station bathroom that actually worked) so i know they do. It’s just the amount of money that i’m sinking into it. I don’t mind too much, because they’d work but i’d like to refine my order. Thank you, ---
**Author:** ![blonie123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blonie123/32/2110_2.png) [@blonie123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/blonie123)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/2 "2012-12-06T15:26:04Z")
> [@UtopianBox](#): > > Hey guys, on Tuesday I’m going to be making my first order of: > > 2 x Ammo (30ml) > 2 x TUTH (30ml) > 1 x P73 (30ml, 15 mcg) > 1 x P74 (30ml, 15 mcg) > 2 x IO (To-Go) > 2 x IS (To-Go) > 2 x IH (To-Go) > Total: $353.48 \>\> $337AU > > So I’m wondering before I purchace this bunch of mones that I’ve got a good selection? Can I please get some advice about my order. I just want to get a good, long lasting set that I can use. Any substitutions or changes I should make to this order? Curious about the P73 and P74. Just wondering about the concentration that I have chosen. > > I’m just looking for advice because I believe that these mones will work (I’ve tried a pheromone from a petrol station bathroom that actually worked) so i know they do. It’s just the amount of money that i’m sinking into it. I don’t mind too much, because they’d work but i’d like to refine my order. > > Thank you, Do you mean 2X as in double strength? If you are a first time user, I would stay away from double strength anything for now. I made a mistake of getting 2x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), and it turned out to be WAY to strong for me. I should have tried regular strength first. As far as your order goes, It sounds like you have done some research. What exactly are you trying to achieve? Pickup/attraction, or social results? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/3 "2012-12-06T15:29:29Z")
Heck of a nice order. Start with one spray of anything 2X 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![blonie123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blonie123/32/2110_2.png) [@blonie123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/blonie123)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/4 "2012-12-06T15:35:08Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Heck of a nice order. Start with one spray of anything 2X 🙂 I think you actually told me one time Steve. “A little goes a long way.” When I got my first order, I wanted so much to douse myself with everything! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/5 "2012-12-07T04:30:14Z")
Apart from clearing-up the 2x TUTH/Ammo thing - I don’t think you have told us your age ant the 2x none-based formulas don’t really come into their own till your late 30s/40s, so unless you are in that age range, you should go for the 1x and find your sweet spot first, then if the number of sprays work out, 2he 2x can b a good scent/economy measure. P74 - 15mcg is maybe a bit high to start with, 10mcg would be better. P73? I presume you mean P83? 15mcg is fine there. ---
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/6 "2012-12-07T14:53:15Z")
Hey guys! Thanks for so many replies and your knowledge! Sorry for my late reply, the whole day yesterday the site told me to “reset JavaScript” or whatever so I couldn’t get on. Sorry for confusion, but I mean I will be buying TWO Ammo bottles, regular strength, and TWO TUTH bottles, regular. Sorry about that! Okay, so 10 mcg p74. And oh, I though there was a 73, silly me. Is there another putative that you highly recommend? Wow you guys are the best, first forum that’s actually helpful and nice! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/7 "2012-12-07T15:04:03Z")
I intend to use the IO, IS and IH for social relationships and the Ammo and TUTH for the clubs/heated conversations. I’m really interested in the putatives because I’ve read on these forums they all have a distinct reaction to them. So again, I’m curious which putatives you would recommend 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/8 "2012-12-07T15:57:09Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is an extremely useful and well tested putative with both social and sexual mixes - 10 or 15mcg would be a good starting dose and its dose range is wide. Less with socials, increasing with the overtness of sexuals. If you are wanting another put, I would strongly suggest you get that. 🙂 Otherwise, I would suggest you spend some time getting the hang of the consumer products first, which will also ground you better in evaluating the effectiveness of pheros and reporting will get you well on the way to RU status, which will help a lot - you get the experimental products much cheaper then. ; ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/9 "2012-12-07T16:09:16Z")
The reason I suggested you get the lower dose of P74 is that if you are using it in any attraction mixes, you need to watch you don’t dose too high as it can be just too “best-friendly” at higher doses. Again though, the effective dose varies on the overtness of your mix - you can use a higher dose alongside say TUTH compared to Ammo and again, less still in a mainly social mix - 10mcg will let you work through the dose range nicely. I’ve also found IH/P74 in a roughly 2:1 ratio to be a very useful combo with a variety of products, notably TUTH - This can help in a lot of useful ways. 😉 Yup - i was getting the Javascript and no further thing in IE at work earlier but the site was loading fine in Opera and an Android browser. Didn’t have time to check Safari. ---
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/10 "2012-12-07T18:17:33Z")
Mobocaster, you sir are a great helping person 🙂 thank you for your insights and thoughts. I will get p83, it looks good 🙂 I was also thinking about a To-Go A314, just wondering if I should wait for that. Only reason why I’m buying so many bottles is because I live in Australia and I want to maximise mones bought cause shipping is a factor. Again, thank you so much man 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/11 "2012-12-07T18:22:33Z")
How old are you then? Again, A314 has a stonkingly high status/mature feel to it that can work against you with younger ones - IG might be a far better choice here as it still has bags of status but is steered in a lighter, more sociable way that depending on your (and your subjects) age range can be a lot less daunting. ---
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/12 "2012-12-07T18:23:56Z")
18, and I see. I’ll get IG then. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/13 "2012-12-07T18:33:32Z")
Yup - A314 can work on younger guys with some girls but I’ll lay good money that you will have an easier time and wider range of positive responses with IG. The problem with A314 and younger girls is that it can appear too good, too serious/LTR-minded, not fun and even a bit “dad-like” Although they will almost certainly mature into liking it a lot in a few years. For the moment and to help trigger the whole range of attractive feelings, IG is the better choice. And I’d certainly try the IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) alongside IG and a sexual - It adds trust, comfort, bonding and that “it was just meant to happen” vibe that is so useful with LMR. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/14 "2012-12-07T18:35:16Z")
Awesome, I’ll remember that thanks 🙂 Last question; What should I mix the p83 with? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/15 "2012-12-07T18:48:40Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) complements so many products and mixes - which is why it is so popular and useful. Its a physical disinhibitor that helps you get close to people and with physical contact/kino etc. You can use it with both social and sexual mixes but I would tend to avoid it in situations where getting up-close or touchy-feely with someone might be frowned upon eg work/formal social and the like but get it going for anything less inhibited/fun/playful and especially raunchy! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![UtopianBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6a8cbe/32.png) [@UtopianBox](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UtopianBox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/16 "2012-12-07T18:58:21Z")
Awesome 🙂 again, thank you so much for you help!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 10:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-order-ammo-tuth-p73-p74-io-is-and-ih-is-this-a-good-selection/57483/17 "2012-12-09T10:44:51Z")
I would consider: 30 mL IShine 2 or 3 of IO TOGO 2 of IH 1 or 2 of regular AMMO 1 TOGO of standard TUTH 1 TOGO of IG (if you’re under 30) 1 putative to try Never be without IO, IShine or both. The Shine can take that AMMO or IG or TUTH and change it from so so to rockin’. You might need to use 4 sprays over several hours, which is why I recommend having plenty. You may find you want to use it daily. You have an excellent chance of good results just with IO or IS, although they aren’t sexual per se. Keep them as your first aid kit.