# My Journal (With and Without the Pheromones)

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396>\
**Category:** Women's Journals\
**Created:** [January 27, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396 "2009-01-27T00:08:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/81 "2009-03-06T06:55:26Z")

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UGH! This TG bottle is not opening. The lid simply wont budge. Are you sure you can open these things? I don’t wanna break it

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**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/82 "2009-03-06T06:56:01Z")

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Him being intoxicated probably had a BIG impact, actually. Removes a lot of the inhibitions that people have about RE-acting to your phero sig.

I don’t know why you didn’t react to it. Maybe you don’t react strongly to -none. I did not get bitchy or irritated with -none either. Consider it a blessing! 🙂 You also had some self effects and buffers from the IS/b. Hopefully they were helping you out. IS/a is not -none. Its TAL heavy, a female phero. Different type of “alpha.” Plus, buffers and socials and steering pheros.

IS/b is TAH heavy, plus social, buffers, steering, etc.

Look over the night and see if YOU felt/acted in any different way. Were there any self effects? I like pinpointing the self effects myself. However, I know myself, inside and out, and can pinpoint minute differences in attitude, behavior and my mental and emotional state very easily. I haven’t read your whole journal, but maybe you should go back and see what your self effects were to TAH/IS/b and TAL/IS/a… it will help you gauge what to wear for what and when. Once you’ve got a handle on self effects, then add in effects to others.

I know others dont do it this way, but since pheros effect yourself as well, its best to know what’s working with YOU before you interact with someone ELSE. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/83 "2009-03-06T06:58:01Z")

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… yes… They can be opened.

1. recap the spray bottle.
2. peel the label off the top half of the bottle
3. where the matte plastic turns to shiny, start twisting

Should be golden

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/84 "2009-03-06T06:58:23Z")

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Well, I’m sure IT can be removed from clothes if you wash it with the recommended Oxy stuff. However, I bet a nice HOT dryer cycle might work too. It has too! If not WTF? Will this survive the apocalypse too? 😛

> [@happykitsune](#):
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> Oh god no! Trust me, I’ve read enough to know the hair and clothes are the worst places to put it unless you want it there forever.

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/85 "2009-03-06T07:00:24Z")

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Correct she is. They tape those suckas down! Good thing too, you wouldn’t want to lose some of your precious juice while it’s in shipment.

> [@Tigerlilly](#):
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> … yes… They can be opened.
> 
> 1. recap the spray bottle.
> 2. peel the label off the top half of the bottle
> 3. where the matte plastic turns to shiny, start twisting
> 
> Should be golden

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/86 "2009-03-06T07:00:35Z")

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> [@Tigerlilly](#):
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> Him being intoxicated probably had a BIG impact, actually. Removes a lot of the inhibitions that people have about RE-acting to your phero sig.
> 
> I don’t know why you didn’t react to it. Maybe you don’t react strongly to -none. I did not get bitchy or irritated with -none either. Consider it a blessing! 🙂 You also had some self effects and buffers from the IS/b. Hopefully they were helping you out. IS/a is not -none. Its TAL heavy, a female phero. Different type of “alpha.” Plus, buffers and socials and steering pheros.
> 
> IS/b is TAH heavy, plus social, buffers, steering, etc.
> 
> Look over the night and see if YOU felt/acted in any different way. Were there any self effects? I like pinpointing the self effects myself. However, I know myself, inside and out, and can pinpoint minute differences in attitude, behavior and my mental and emotional state very easily. I haven’t read your whole journal, but maybe you should go back and see what your self effects were to TAH/IS/b and TAL/IS/a… it will help you gauge what to wear for what and when. Once you’ve got a handle on self effects, then add in effects to others.
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> I know others dont do it this way, but since pheros effect yourself as well, its best to know what’s working with YOU before you interact with someone ELSE. 🙂

Yeah, I always make sure the pheromones work with me first and foremost.

Wait, are you saying I can use IS/a or IS/b with TUTH?

Btw, anything and everything I felt/way I reacted was in my journal in the “self effects” section. There were a few things out of character, but not much.

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/87 "2009-03-06T07:03:30Z")

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> [@Tigerlilly](#):
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> … yes… They can be opened.
> 
> 1. recap the spray bottle.
> 2. peel the label off the top half of the bottle
> 3. where the matte plastic turns to shiny, start twisting
> 
> Should be golden

OMFG! It worked! No wonder I couldn’t see where it screwed off, the label was completely covering it. Thanks so much…I got a whiff of it and wooo! HOTDAMN! LOL

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/88 "2009-03-06T07:04:53Z")

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> [@mikotorocks714](#):
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> Correct she is. They tape those suckas down! Good thing too, you wouldn’t want to lose some of your precious juice while it’s in shipment.

Very very true

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/89 "2009-03-06T07:05:09Z")

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_Prepares to catch you just in case you fall._ Careful now!

> [@happykitsune](#):
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> OMFG! It worked! No wonder I couldn’t see where it screwed off, the label was completely covering it. Thanks so much…I got a whiff of it and wooo! HOTDAMN! LOL

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**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/90 "2009-03-06T07:06:25Z")

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> [@happykitsune](#):
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> OMFG! It worked! No wonder I couldn’t see where it screwed off, the label was completely covering it. Thanks so much…I got a whiff of it and wooo! HOTDAMN! LOL

Do share…

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/91 "2009-03-06T07:06:38Z")

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> [@mikotorocks714](#):
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> _Prepares to catch you just in case you fall._ Careful now!

Gah! Still nothing. No thoughts about kissing or sex at all…ugh my stupid hormones 😠 Thanks for the catch tho

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/92 "2009-03-06T07:07:45Z")

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> [@Tigerlilly](#):
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> Do share…

Nothing too exciting to share…just smelled good…I do kinda feel good now tho 🙂

EDIT: Ok I just went a little crazy and started sniffing the open bottle. I’m definitely hooked now. :S

Also, if I only use a little bit from now only I’ll probably have this forever… mmmm…FOREVER 😃

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/93 "2009-03-06T07:10:07Z")

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Ha, ha remember the words “subtle!” Plus, try spraying a bit on yourself, lay down and wait for something. If nothing, invite your man over then you’ll see! Also, works better when you’re around stuff that can actually spark a feeling unlike being by yourself, with no one in sight, and no one to help create a spark. 🙂

> [@happykitsune](#):
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> Gah! Still nothing. No thoughts about kissing or sex at all…ugh my stupid hormones 😠 Thanks for the catch tho

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/94 "2009-03-06T07:11:54Z")

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> [@mikotorocks714](#):
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> Ha, ha remember the words “subtle!” Plus, try spraying a bit on yourself, lay down and wait for something. If nothing, invite your man over then you’ll see! Also, works better when you’re around stuff that can actually spark a feeling unlike being by yourself, with no one in sight, and no one to help create a spark. 🙂

That is very true. At least it made me feel really good tho 😛

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/95 "2009-03-06T07:11:55Z")

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Excellent!!!

> [@happykitsune](#):
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> Nothing too exciting to share…just smelled good…I do kinda feel good now tho 🙂

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/96 "2009-03-06T07:12:34Z")

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> [@mikotorocks714](#):
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> Excellent!!!

Haha i like that picture 😃 And yes it is excellent!

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**Author:** ![CookieGirl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cookiegirl/32/1379_2.png) [@CookieGirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CookieGirl)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/97 "2009-03-06T20:35:08Z")

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Im awfully curious about the way TUTH is suppose to “turns you on”. How exactly does it feel ? Do you feel sexier ? More of a flirt ? Smells like dirty sex time ? Or hot man sweat ? 😮

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**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/98 "2009-03-06T20:46:17Z")

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Maybe we’ll have to get some and see 😉

Just because some of the pheros are supposedly just for boys doesn’t mean that it might not work on us (at least in moderation)

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**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/99 "2009-03-06T21:50:25Z")

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> [@Sillykitty](#):
>
> Maybe we’ll have to get some and see 😉
> 
> Just because some of the pheros are supposedly just for boys doesn’t mean that it might not work on us (at least in moderation)

_sigh_ Research, Girls! Be smart & safe!

> [@](#):
>
> Alpha Androstenone : In the forum this is commonly referred to as –none or none. It is a hormone produced in men and women’s sweat. (significantly less if women) “ Androstenone is the first mammalian pheromone to be identified.” ([Androstenone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone))
> 
> **Androstenone has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation.** It also has the ability cause irritation, nervousness, and agression in both men and women. There are mixed feelings about the use of androstenone for sexual purposes as many find the **potential negative results to outweigh the positives.** This pheromone is also selective as to the location that it is worn. It has strong sexual properties and it is generaly advised to be worn in situations where sexual displays are acceptable.
> 
> Doses of androstenone vary in effectiveness from person to person. Each man has different levels of natural androstenone production. People with Type O blood tend to produce much higher levels of androstenone compared to type A or B blood types. Other factors are also involved in your natural androstenone production. The younger you are, the more –none you will produce. Being physicaly fit will also produce higher levels.
> 
> The question is then, how much –none should I apply. You must first consider your age. The older you are the less –none you will produce. Lets assume you are 18 – early twenties (even into the late twenties for some). Your –none production is not fading yet so less is more in most cases.

> [@Gegogi](#):
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> Androstenone doesn’t cause aggression. **However it can enhance and encourage aggression in those prone to it**. Reactions have more to do with your persona and body chemistry than the Androstenone itself. **And it is more likely to foster aggression in men than women**. Women are more likely to get turned on but rarely show aggression.
> 
> **Men are more likely to interpret the Androstenone signals as a challenge or threat.** The extreme example is of aggression is a surly young buck moned up in a redneck bar that gets his ass kicked.
> 
> Personally I’d never wear Androstenone without a cover. A314 isn’t remotely qualified as cover.

> [@Xiphoid](#):
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> Have you tested these individually first to find your sweet spot? It’s a lot easier to do that before jumping to combo’s…how else will you know what each phero does for your?
> 
> Also… Turn Up The Heat is great yes, but for a dinner/movie type thing, (with I’m assuming mixed group of people) I’m not sure it’s your best choice… **Turn Up The Heat is really sexual, it basically screams “I want sex…now!”** so it’s fab for going clubbing, getting ONS 's or spicing things up in the bedroom but maybe Ammo (also none based but buffered with social phero’s) is better for the dinner/movies setting?

Note - Xiphoid was talking to DUDE in that post…

_Search_ is your friend… repeat after me…

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**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journal-with-and-without-the-pheromones/25396/100 "2009-03-08T19:15:55Z")

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So I’vebeen away from the forums for a while and I have a bit to report on. Nothing too awesome so I’m not too excited to report on all this, but it needs to be done for the sake of bettering my mixes. So here it goes…

**Product name,scent and strength**  
IS/b and TUTH (yes again)

**Application dosage and locations**  
IS/b 3 sprays (hair, wrists, chest)  
TUTH dabs (palms, chin, under nose) (Personally I think even this was too much because I ended up wanting to rub it off later)

10 or 11pm IS/b 2 sprays (neck, hair) \<—These two spots seem to be a fave of mine.  
**Enviroment tested in.**  
TG’s apt

**Self effects.**  
Once again I was getting effects from both the IS/b and the TUTH. I could feel myself getting a little weaker emotionally, but I was able to reassure myself with the help of the TUTH. The only problem is it made me less desirable to my TG and therefore I felt a little worse about myself. TUTH is good for keeping your chin up, but not good for when you wanna get your TG to be attracted to you.

**Effects to others**  
TG couldn’t figure out what it was, but he said he didn’t feel like he wanted to do anything that night (kissing, etc). He also kept to himself for most of the night and pushed me away when I tried to be close to him. It was very frustrating so I ended up taking a shower around 10 or 11 to try and rub off whatever I could of the TUTH. I hated being so undesirable to him. Afterwards I applied 2 sprays of IS/b and thats it. Idk when I’ll wanna use TUTH again. I thought about using it at this dance I went to, but I didn’t want girls getting all turned on around me lol. It seems to work well with one of my other guy friends, but its not my TG ☹

Anywho…with just the IS/b on the results weren’t too different, but he was a little softer…not that cold person he had been earlier. Also, for some reason I was able to keep to myself without wanting to hang all over him. I’m betting the TUTH made we wanna hang on him because it was turning me on and I was trying to get him to do something with me…oh well 😛 He did ask me what type of shampoo I used (of course it was the IS/b he was smelling) He didn’t act like it was a bad thing, but he didn’t say it was a good thing either.

In conclusion…Idk WTF I’m gonna do with this TUTH. Maybe I’ll let one of my guy friends use a squirt or two sometime…or does somebody wanna trade maybe? lol Gah! I need EoW or cops.

**Duration of effects.**  
4:25pm - 1:00am

**Effects from mixing with other products.**  
none

**Range**  
1-3 ft

**Time exposure**.  
5 mins

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