# My journey **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [November 19, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406 "2011-11-19T18:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tigurinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@Tigurinn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigurinn)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/1 "2011-11-19T18:03:15Z")
I am a total newbie in these matters - but I have a shipment coming, so I thought I would keep taps on how it goes …seeing as I had to pay little for my initial purchase I thought, heck why not. What I’m hoping to achieve is proof that [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) work, and that proof would be in having girls coming up to me during the daytime and chat me up on an almost daily basis (I ordered shine, and I’m kinda hoping that the Instant Openess will be the freebie) - I’ve had only two girls that have come up to me and tried to chat me up this year during the daytime, and the year is almost over ! 😮 Oh, and for those that bothered to read this rant - what are “hits”?? Are they the same as “ioi’s” (indicator of interest) ?? **Update on Nov 24:** ordered it on Nov 18, a DHL carrier didn’t have change today (I wasn’t home and my mother was going to pay the shipment for me(!)) so he said he would come later today (it’s now 21 GMT and only one hour to go … I’m not hopeful) - heck, I would love to have been able to pay for a much delayed shipping instead of this express one as it would have been much cheaper … but all’s well that ends well. Hopefully I’ll be approached by young women with this stuff 😉 - got approached on either monday night or tuesday night at a bus stop terminal, and the bus stop terminal was filled with quite a lot of people, and this older woman (probably around 50 years old) asked if a certain route bus was gone and she seemed wanting to talk but she couldn’t get the conversation thread out of the ‘tire tracks of the buses’ so to speak 🙂 **Updated again on Nov 25:** Got a very heavy dozage of an extreme ioi - which I friggin’ blew, again. Sigh. Got on the bus this morning to go to uni - two girls were seated and one packing some things in her backpack (she left the bus on the next bus stop after I got on) and the other girl stares at me as I’m entering the bus and walking towards the seat that I want to sit in, which is located behind them - she obviously wants me to open her and obviously knows that she’s sending me an ioi, I stare right back at her and sit behind the two of them (just after I sit down the other girls’s bus stop comes up) … and I friggin’ freeze, I got so nervous that my bus card slipped out of my friggin hands and under her seat, I could retrive it by going beside her and under her legs which I did and all I said was “Sorry about that”, and she said it was no problem … and I sat again behind her, and couldn’t for the life of me think of an opener - despite her giving me one heck of a massive ioi. God damn it. Cute too, and man was it an akward bus ride. When she left the bus she gave me a quick glance, which was kinda like “Dude, wtf, I wanted you to talk to me and you f\*cked up”, and I slighty shrugged my shoulders and hopefully she noticed. Damn, I’m pissed at myself. At uni I sat in a reading room before class, and a girl (well, a 39 year old woman) walked in and sat down, so there was one empty table between us. I’ve noticed her giving me ioi’s before, so after moments of hesitation I decided to ask her if she was in a particular class with me (the class I was going to go to after 10 min, which is a “demo” class, meaning a non-pro teacher (usually another student) is showing us how to solve problems in bookkeeping) and she was and said that the teacher hadn’t shown up (I was going in the second class); well I said I would take my chances and I very deliberately put my hand on her shoulder, however just a very light touch. After class I came back to the reading room and she was still there and I asked if she wanted my Excel file from the class and she wanted it and after I emailed it to her she seem very, very grateful. So if I don’t f_ck up maybe I can get things to progress (to the bedroom) - after talking to her I walked around campus, trying to find a girl I’ve noticed is pretty much bursting at the seams as she’s given me massive ioi’s for a long time; it’s really about time I try to cough up some balls and approach her (even though she maybe with her female friends), and while walking I noticed a chick that worked at the uni library this summer who always wet her lips when she saw me … I completely f_\*\*\* up, like always, and didn’t approach her. Gave me the excuse that I didn’t know how to approach a “mixed set” (guys and girls sitting at a table working on some project). Felt pretty darn low at that point - especially when I don’t open girls that have displayed interest in me. After walking around, and being unsuccessful in approaching girls, I went downtown. I walked around and noticed people dressed up in silly costumes (it’s a tradition her when people are graduating from ‘high school’, usually when they are 20 years old); one chick stopped a car and displayed silly moves as I was walking up the street, a graduating group was standing on the sidewalk and as I was approaching a guy in the group called out “Show him your ass”, meaning that the girl (dressed in a cow costume) should have her back turned towards the car; I said to the guy “Genius!” and asked, despite knowing what was going on, what was going on; he told me and I say something along the lines of “oh thank god, you people didn’t decide this for yourselfs” with a smile. While walking up the street I noticed a girl running to a guy that was on the phone and asked him if he could do her a favor, he didn’t seem wanting to end the phone call and I walked on; I didn’t hear any one speaking so I’m pretty sure that she was unsuccessful in opening him, especially since a few seconds after that I noticed with my side glance that she was walking behind me. I decided to coyly slow down and I asked her what she had wanted from the guy, who was pretty lightly dressed seeing as it was snow outside (I was dressed in a black wool jacket) and she said that she wanted him to take his top off as she would get 50 points for that if she would photograph him, and then she asked me if I wanted to (and her asking seemed like it was totally of top of her head, that it hadn’t occurred to her to ask me before) and I said “Oh hell no”, and hopefully with a sly grin. But she said “Yeah, I didn’t think so” and she started to cross the street and I said “only if it’s mutual”. I may have looked a little conservative with my buttoned up jacket in the snow filled street. I was now pretty much near the bus station terminal and a cute girl, approx 1,60 m (well - smaller than me, and I’m around 1,78 m), looked me in the eyes the whole time we were walking towards each other - brown haired chick with brown eyes, my absolute favorite; and I started to say “hi!” (I finally had sometime to think about an opener, but hadn’t come up with none …so at least saying hi was better than nothing) but dear god, it came out sounding like a horse had just farted or something ☹ We passed and she still looked at me, as she turned her head and still kept walking and I slowed very much down trying to quickly think about my options. Well, needless to say - I let the opportunity pass, just like the one on the bus. At the bus stop terminal I noticed a beautiful girl, with those very big eyes which make me incredibly infatouated with a chick, and luckily she was about to go through another door to wait outside for some bus, as I was entering the terminal so she didn’t see me. And man, did I want to open her - but I felt incredibly shitty so I didn’t; luckily my bus came pretty soon, and I knew exactly where the gorgeous girl was and she was in the walking path to the bus, so it couldn’t have been better - and I displayed massive acting talents when I did a “double take”, meaning I looked at her for a second as I was passing by her and looked at her again and now for maybe 2-3 seconds which was totally enough to let her know what kind of an effect she had on me. Heck, hopefully it made her day. So - this was pretty much my day without pheromones. It’s now 15:33 gmt and hopefully I’ll get my delivery today so I’ll be able to go to the uni and study and see what effects the pheromones have on other people; and even going downtown tonight and trying to score with the chicks in the cow costumes 😉 …so, if the DHL will finally show up I’ll be able to get on with my journal. Hopefully people (aka girls younger than me) will approach me so I don’t have to. **Update again on Nov 26:** Could have opened quite a few girls today, especially one with a cap that had rabbit ears and another one that gave me a long look (which I persume is what is called DIHL or a deer-in-headlights look?), and at the bus stop I was the only one standing inside … funny. Sigh, waiting for that magical product that is supposed to let others begin their conversation with me is annoying; I’ve realised that this incident, where a product, which I have no previous experience of and is somewhat sketical of, is (hopefully (!)) delivered later than what I expect and is agreed upon, makes me kinda “turned off” at buying anymore - and this goes for all products that I have no former experience of. ---
**Author:** ![Tigurinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@Tigurinn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigurinn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/2 "2011-11-28T21:54:04Z")
**Very first day of ever wearing pheronomes** So, today was finally the day I got my pheromone. The packaging was somewhat unexpected but I got two candies that I like so that’s ok …I was very surprised that there wasn’t a freebie in there, seeing as this was my first order. **First spray put on:** About 11:30 GMT **Where put on:** On the front of the neck (I tried one spray but pressed lightly and nothing happened so I pressed again and then came a good squirt) **Effects:** When I put it on I felt somewhat joyous, however I think it can be related to the fact that I felt like a kid in candystore as I finally had [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (it was exciting as I’ve never tried pheromones). However, nothing noticable happened. I sat at a reading room in my Uni with girls around me, and without anything noticable. Two ioi’s were very clear; one girl smiled at me as she was leaving the reading room and it was an almost like “Oh my god, I can’t believe he caught me checking him out”-kind of smile; she seemed kind of embarrased but very joyous about it. And the other ioi was something I had so far only read in books about body language - a girl showed me her armpit (what she was wearing had very short sleeves), and that was something that I always thought would take place at a bar or a disco, however this was very, very, very cleary aimed at me and luckily she was very well shaved (or waxed). I have no idea where these girls sat - and so I do not credit these ioi’s to Instant Shine (I’m beginning to feel pretty bad for these girls as I don’t approach them) Then I went home to eat and I showered and put Instant Shine again on (this thread of mine will only be about Instant Shine, as that was the only product I got) and went to the reading room in my university again. So the spray went on the same place as before at 18:00 GMT; and with no effects - no ioi’s that I credit to Instant Shine …and man is it tempting to put on two sprays tomorrow; but I’ll spray only one spray tomorrow and see how it goes. However, my mission during the daytime (and frankly, I don’t think I’ll go out during the night as my exams are looming over me) is to let girls start conversations with me. This will decide whether I think pheromones work and if I’ll be a repeat buyer. ---
**Author:** ![Tigurinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@Tigurinn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigurinn)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 9:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/3 "2011-11-29T09:30:43Z")
Nov 29: **When put on:** 08:30 GMT **Where put on body:** On my right wrist with one spray **Effects so far:** None. Oh, and this journal will be updated if I can get these answers, please: What is a “deer-in-headlights look”? What is a “hit”? And there was a thread where a guy had a spy camera keychain and filmed chicks with it (I’ve got my own personal opinions about that, but that can wait) but only thought he noticed “hits” with girls that were far from him and not the ones close to him - aren’t pheromones supposed to work best on those closest to you (not emotionally speaking of course 🙂) ---
**Author:** ![Zergie123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ba9def/32.png) [@Zergie123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zergie123)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/4 "2011-11-29T10:55:50Z")
What pheromones are you using exactly? I’m also a newbie when it comes to pheromones, but can give you some pretty easy advice on what seems to be your problem with talking to girls in the situation above. It’s called “The Three Second Rule” - basically when you see a target, like the girl on the bus, you have 3 seconds to approach her and open her. Something you should keep in mind is the longer you wait, the harder and more awkward it s to approach her. Also, don’t let her friend intimidate you. Opening a set of two girls is actually better than trying to talk to the girl by herself. I don’t want to write out an essay here, but just try to remember the 3 second rule next time. Don’t beat yourself up over your failures, everyone fails. The key to improving at pickup is not being afraid of failure or rejection 🙂 This is my first post here, and I’ve been a member for over 2 years, so hopefully it helps! ---
**Author:** ![Zergie123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ba9def/32.png) [@Zergie123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zergie123)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 11:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/5 "2011-11-29T11:00:28Z")
Oops, I just read closer and realized what you are using. I don’t think pheromones will do all of the work for you, you have to do some work too! If the pheromone is saying to approach you, and you’re acting differently, it can give mixed signals to your targets. ---
**Author:** ![Tigurinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@Tigurinn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigurinn)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/6 "2011-11-29T16:02:50Z")
Thanks for replying 🙂 And yepp, I know all the “pua lingo” and what to do and say, as I read about a year ago that women give off signals … which I had no idea about then. I’ve approached girls in the daytime with no problem, however if I even as much as take a few days off I get approach anxiety and if the gap between approaching gets longer the bigger the approach anxiety gets. So, basically - I’m lasy and I want the pheromones to do the work for me; to let girls approach me and begin conversations with me (it’s equality in action). If “IS” doesn’t do that for me, then I might as well much rather buy a cologne from a store … heck, there even was a story about a cologne (available in shops where I live) that scientists use because they sprayed it on trees and such because that cologne made them linger in the vicinity around the spot where it was sprayed. But are hits = indicators of interest (in “pua lingo”) and deer-in-headlights look=about a 2-3 second stare ? And isn’t pheromone supposed to ‘work’ best on those closest to the one wearing it?? I’m particularly refering to this thread here: [record hits from pheros with spycam](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/record-hits-from-pheros-with-spycam/52268) (my two cents on this is that they are either given him ioi’s, which all men get (or at least 99,99%) or they are wondering what the heck he’s doing with his house keys in the middle of a queue in a supermarket) ---
**Author:** ![Zergie123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ba9def/32.png) [@Zergie123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zergie123)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 10:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/7 "2011-11-30T10:41:41Z")
> [@Tigurinn](#): > > Thanks for replying 🙂 And yepp, I know all the “pua lingo” and what to do and say, as I read about a year ago that women give off signals … which I had no idea about then. > > I’ve approached girls in the daytime with no problem, however if I even as much as take a few days off I get approach anxiety and if the gap between approaching gets longer the bigger the approach anxiety gets. > > So, basically - I’m lasy and I want the pheromones to do the work for me; to let girls approach me and begin conversations with me (it’s equality in action). > > If “IS” doesn’t do that for me, then I might as well much rather buy a cologne from a store … heck, there even was a story about a cologne (available in shops where I live) that scientists use because they sprayed it on trees and such because that cologne made them linger in the vicinity around the spot where it was sprayed. > > But are hits = indicators of interest (in “pua lingo”) and deer-in-headlights look=about a 2-3 second stare ? > > And isn’t pheromone supposed to ‘work’ best on those closest to the one wearing it?? I’m particularly refering to this thread here: [record hits from pheros with spycam](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/record-hits-from-pheros-with-spycam/52268) (my two cents on this is that they are either given him ioi’s, which all men get (or at least 99,99%) or they are wondering what the heck he’s doing with his house keys in the middle of a queue in a supermarket) I don’t think Pheromones are the ez answer. just do some work! If you’ve got the gift, use it… Pheromones are a big supplement. ---
**Author:** ![Tigurinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@Tigurinn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigurinn)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-journey/53406/8 "2011-11-30T21:48:21Z")
Guess then pheromones aren’t for me (took a break however today from “IS” and will be spraying two sprays tomorrow) …but, and I hope you don’t mind me asking, what gift are you talking about? The gift of reading body language? …well, that took training, but everyone can learn to read them and everyone gets them; even my best friend, who has a hunched back and isn’t particularly good looking - a girl once saw him, looked down and licked her lips, looked at him again and looked down and licked her lips; he was oblivious and I was speechless. However, I would really be thankful for someone to reply to my three question, please. Thank you in advance