# My new batch: Day 1 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 28, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533 "2008-02-28T22:44:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/1 "2008-02-28T22:44:06Z")
I got a new batch delivered yesterday - couldn’t wait as always so began testing pair of products at a time to work. First day MEO-EST & [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) (succumbed after 1 hour @wk and used 1 drop of A314 under my nose for self-effects. Here goes Names for this mix - Contradictory mones? Love & Hate mix? Mixed Emotions Brew? **Dosage** _Total dose_ 3x MEO 3x P74 1x A314 _Initial dose_ 1 spray MEO – hands, 1 spray P74 ears/neck. Then 2 more sprays of each at work (because of no visible results in first 1-2 hours) **Effects on Me** Very chatty, finding it a little bit difficult to focus on one thing at a time – flighty. Different reaction from ‘normal’ mix from some people – less respect, more challenges, but more long conversations, more approaches for conversation (Love & Hate in the same conversation). I’m seen as more open/available to engage with? Not standing out as much as normal (lack of A314?) Argumentative (gang up against me in a piss-take sort of way?) More like banter/friendly heckling really. Perhaps I’m just seen as more approachable? Very in demand – people want to talk to me. More relaxed with me. Initially I’m not as confident as normal but could be due to a lack of A314? I’m more closed in, rather than outward looking (as when using 2 drops of A314). Confidence picks up during the day, but strangely lasts through till 5 & beyond… Got couple of DIHL’s from young Aussie colleague sat opposite me (mid-20s) - not that unusual, but much longer than usual. She’s quite a looker, but WAY younger than me (44). Overall, people friendlier with me today than my tried & tested brew - 2xA314, 2-3x IS, 2-3x IO & 2 IFM. this mix could still grow on me…but it needs a finishing touch of some sort. **Effects on Others** More talkative as a whole around me, happier than normal. Others in close proximity more argumentative amongst each other? Mini squabbles (in those sitting near me). Arguments have moved to between them and not involving me – goes on and on. The arguments are picky, subjective things around differences of views on inconsequential things. Almost a fight for fight’s sake. Like schoolchildren. They calmed down after a while – all happy bunnies after. Next time will Increase A314 to 2 drops to see if any difference? Other variants include reducing to 2 drops each of MEO and P74, and/or 2 drops one and 1 drop of the other to isolate which is the Love and which is the Hate mone (not literally) Tomorrow…It’s Friday, so I’m going to skip straight to MX135 and TAC (with maybe a drop of A314 I I’m at work). Will come back to variants of the above mix later…😃 Any questions on any fo the above, just ask!🙄 ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/2 "2008-02-29T20:27:10Z")
_ **Day 2** _ Dosage 3 x TAC (neck/face) 3 x MX135 (neck/face) 1 x A314 (under nose) 1 x IFM (back of hand) **Me** Better than yesterday – confident, outward focused, happy. Bit more outgoing – not sure. Certainly a bit more charisma (if I say so myself), but not yet as chatty as I expected perhaps. Child-like happiness, swinging my legs, feeling more boyish than usual? Perceptions – a bit light-headed and spacey. Not very grounded. Slightly off-focus at work – sort of ADHD, compared to yesterday. Wonder what the OD will be like? A bit indecisive, not committed to my decisions (normally decisive). **Others** Not noticing any massive changes around me – everyone’s pretty happy but it is Friday…. _Thought: Need more sprays of TAC & MX 135 – not enough visible results in me?_ Let’s turn it up a notch 11 am – 2 x sprays MX135 to face & neck (very chocolately) (Total 5 sprays today) After lunch….2 x extra sprays of TAC (making a total of 5 sprays today) **Me** A bit more cheery and outgoing than before – but not massively. I still feel a bit lacking in confidence. **Overall impressions** Of the two of them, surprisingly a bit more response from me, to TAC. Perhaps it’s the cumulative effect? The increase of MX135 didn’t have the self-effects I’d imagined. My impression is that I am mixing 2 fairly ‘inert’ mones. They need something to set them off. Am sure the experts will be able to tell me what but I think I’ll use my standard mix next week and introduce one of these each day to see how they affect my brew. OK. Results so far - I feel as if I’ve been cooking with only spices - no carbs or protein. Next week, I need me some meat an potatoes if I’m going to cook something nice. The products tested so far all have their uses but I will now add them one by one to my regular work mix to see how they change that. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/3 "2008-03-22T22:50:41Z")
Have just researched some other products… Anyone have any views on WAGG as a work mix alternative to A314 and IFM/IS/IO? Am still gettint a case of the blues when using even one ToGo of IFM. Have tried SOE instead and have just read that WAGG might be an alternative mix…\*\*anyone any thoughts? \*\ ***Or even a suggestion of what Androtics equivalents would go into a homemade WAGG?** ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/4 "2008-03-25T07:16:19Z")
> [@jonno101](#): > > Have just researched some other products… > > Anyone have any views on WAGG as a work mix alternative to A314 and Instant Female Magic/IS/Instant Openness? > > Am still gettint a case of the blues when using even one ToGo of IFM. Have tried Scent of Eros instead and have just read that WAGG might be an alternative mix… **anyone any thoughts?** > > **Or even a suggestion of what Androtics equivalents would go into a homemade WAGG?** Jonno, TAK may be the closest thing that Androtics has to WAGG. Anyway I prefer WAGG over TAK as it lasts longer (probably a good 6 hours vs 2 hours for TAK) and I get more ‘politeness’ from people with WAGG. You will find on LS people like xvs (he loved it as an alternative to Androstedienone, the main [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) in IFM) and itwow and Frenchie (she used it with NPA/w) (the latter two are past posters) who were real fans of WAGG (like it was their favourite product). I like WAGG quite a bit as well and it is a tried and tested product for me for a few years now. TAK and WAGG basically do the same things - they are intimidation reducers and make you more approachable to others. That can work well if you are aggressive and/or intense but it can soften the image a little too much for some (making them appear too ‘nice’). Basically, they make people very comfortable (almost too comfortable for some) around the wearer and almost seem like the complete opposite to AndrostEnone - that’s why they both buffer AndrostEnone so well. Anyway I will post a compilation post somewhere down the line on TAK (search posts by tacitus and PheroQuirk for now). Be careful about combining TAK/WAGG with other comfortable mones like Alpha-Androstenol - obviously the combination can make someone appear very ‘weak’ unless buffered by sufficient A314 or Androstenone. ---
**Author:** ![Curiouschic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Curiouschic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Curiouschic)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/5 "2008-03-25T08:35:31Z")
Have you experimented more with MX135? What were your desired results? I am curious as not many men have tried MX135. CC 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/6 "2008-03-25T22:54:26Z")
I’ve used up most of my MX135 ToGo but have had mixed results so far - [Smutmonkey Trials 1st wave report](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smutmonkey-trials-1st-wave-report/9411) I initially tried it with my work mix - A314/IFM, IO & IS and also on its own with MEO EST and sometimes some [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) but will admit I’m struggling to notice much of a difference. That said I did use it on the day I got my best work results: [Smutmonkey Trials 1st wave report](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smutmonkey-trials-1st-wave-report/9411/5) I think I used 3 x MX135 (along with IH for the first time) and felt on top of the world. It felt like a perfect mix but I’ve struggled to reproduce it - maybe because I’d walked about 50 mins from the station and so was pretty warmed up. It’s been pretty cold in blighty this winter so perhaps I should try to recreate that cool mix with MX135 and get warmed up? Either way, I still suspect MX135 is quite a subtle one. For me, at least - a finishing highlight. **Do you have any suggestions I could try out b4 my ToGo finishes?** I’d like to really put it to the test before it ends. Today I used 3x P74 with extra IS (6 x) and regular A314 trying to recreate something I saw elsewhere on the forum - alledgely a sort of home made MX102 but I felt more like I was going to get a hit from a bloke…not sure what went wrong there!😮 ---
**Author:** ![Curiouschic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Curiouschic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Curiouschic)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/7 "2008-03-25T23:13:19Z")
> [@jonno101](#): > > **Do you have any suggestions I could try out b4 my ToGo finishes?** I’d like to really put it to the test before it ends. > 😮 Well I am not familiar with results that other guys have had with this product. But I’d be curious of how others are reacting to you based on thefact that MX135 is typically a womens phero adn I am wondering if it gves you a more sensitive open vibe to people around you or if it messes with their idea of who you are or what their perception of you may be…Hmm, this seems a lil complex for the end of a togo bottle. I am curious why on a women it makes her a “superstar” the center of attention and sends off a really good vibe, but on a man not much of a result…hmmm 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/8 "2008-03-26T20:21:36Z")
Curiouschic That would make sense. I’ve found it a bit ‘weak’ and it has taken some of the shine off my A314. Perhaps it highlights the qualities that women are liked for (whatever they are) whereas on a man, they are seen as a weakness (even by many women) Hmmm..food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![Curiouschic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Curiouschic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Curiouschic)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/9 "2008-03-26T22:22:37Z")
> [@jonno101](#): > > Curiouschic > > That would make sense. I’ve found it a bit ‘weak’ and it has taken some of the shine off my A314. > > Perhaps it highlights the qualities that women are liked for (whatever they are) whereas on a man, they are seen as a weakness (even by many women) > > Hmmm..food for thought. This would make sense…it is very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/10 "2008-03-26T22:41:54Z")
**Turn Up The Heat at work!** OK. Whilst waiting for my newsst batch to arrive (MX203 & MX200) which has now arrived by the way, I decided to change up my regular work mix. So, to my 2x A314, 3/4 TAA, 3/4 IS & 2x Instant Honesty all to the face, I added one spray of TUTH on Tuesday about midday. Seemed to work well. I felt confident and got a couple IOIs more than normal. Was looking for any ‘out of sorts’ reactions as I know that the standard view on the forum is to leave TUTH for clubbing/social, not work situations and that it can make guys pissed. Well I don’t get favourable reactions from AMMO and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) can make me glum, so my work mix was missing something. TuTH seems to fit the bill (for now)! Strange, but true. Today I wore the same work mix (A314, etc), but with 2 sprays of TuTH - one in the AM and one just before lunch. Noticed more IOIs including one pretty young asian lady practically looking round to see where the phero trail was coming from (and who said asians don’t respond well to pheros 🆒). Her blond friend was not so affected but was looking to see why her friend was so distracted. Mmmm…I could get used to this. Longer lunch breaks please. Unfortunately was waiting at traffic lights on a busy London street so didn’t have a chance to make anything of it. 🙄 I think 2xTUTH will probably be my limit for work time, but who knows - they say you should keep increasing till you get to your limit! As I am so comfortable with my stable A314 mix, even tho it lacks a little spark, I am constantly changing up my phero signature. Even my control subject (the girl who used to give me lots of DIHL and IOIs when I was a Pherlure user - perked up after my 2nd spray. She seemed to be more interested in my natural phero signature (as Pherlure is so weak!)and since I’ve become a Androtics devotee 😃 she seems more and more distant). No more DIHLs, sigh I do miss them. I’ve gone ‘clean’ a couple of days just to change things up, but have probably messed up my signature so much, I must seem like a different guy to her. That, or she’s really having to resist my charms…🙄(Mu Ha Ha Ha Ha) Are women really that loyal to their SO? Wow! Ah well, she’s got a LTR (as do I)…Not sure if he’s bigger than me tho 😛 But I am a gentleman and respect her relationship (even tho mine is falling down around my ankles…) I have been faithful tho. **TUTH ramblings** Overall, I’ve noticed that TuTH really works onthe more vivacious women around. Not necessarily the ‘stunners’, but the ones who have that inner glow and confidence that makes even wearing a pair of jeans seem sassy. Ladies will know what I mean by that. A certain **je ne sais quois.** TuTH grabs the attention of this kind of woman and makes them sparkle even more. Their inner beauty just seems to exude from them and perhaps that’s why they seem to enjoy my ‘presence’? I’d love to hear of any women who’ve tried TuTH (is there a female version and if so, how is it different from the male?) I would imagine that when self-applied, TuTH should make vivacious women feel even more well, vivacious. Confident. Anyways, my MX203 & 200 have arrived so I will be xperimenting on them for the next couple of days, but no doubt shall return to my TuTH at work xperiments early next week and report back. Ciao bella 😉 _If I carry on with the TuTH at work experiment next week, I will probably create a new thread for the results as I think it deserves exploring some more._ ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/11 "2008-03-27T22:53:11Z")
I couldn’t wait to try out my [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/) so simply added it to my A314 mix and shazzam! I like it. Feel like the centre of attention - effortlessly. Slight loss of ‘respect’ somewhere along the line and no sexual undercurrent, unfortunately. Tomorrow I will use it along with TUTH to work 😃 to see if I can translate the IOIs into something more useful 😮 As I have said on another post on the forum, this might be the replacement for IFM I’ve been craving, but without the melancholy. Me like. I might up the dosage of MX203 as well - I used 2 sprays topped up with one more in the afternoon. Might start out with 3 or 4 and 1 or 2 of TUTH, as well as a bit of A314. ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/12 "2008-03-28T23:02:38Z")
**WHOOPS.** I screwed up! Was going to continue my MX203 testing today and add Turn Up The Heat BUT I accidentally applied my [MX200](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx200/) in stead (3x ToGo)…Bizarre thing was I didn’t notice until after lunch. I had lunch with a female friend (friend-friend) in a sushi bar and the girls behind the counter were more friendlier than normal 😃. A prettily dressed young asian girl sat just within the corner of my line of sight, legs slightly akimbo…😮 Very nice pins & silky inner thighs 😃 (how my wife used to be backin the day…) as well as UGG-type boots. I didn’t get any direct IOIs from her but she could clearly see that I glancing at her and yet she didn’t shift or alter her stance - (Perhaps this lady was too reserved to glance back,or maybe just out of ‘respect’ for my female lunch partner?) But the penny only dropped that I had used MX200 instead of MX203 when I got back to the office and decided to reapply what I thought was MX200 as I wasn’t getting as many caucasian IOIs as the day before (thought lots of conversations with women in the office). **Then** I realised that I had dosed up on MX200! Doh So…I added 2/3 sprays of 203, but by that time I was heading down OD lane and became a little invisible to some. At that stage I had on 3x MX200, 2x MX203, 1 x A314, 3 x IS, 3xIO, 2xIH AND 2 x TUTH! Long story short, MX200 **IS** Asian Persuasion (Asian Attention I like to call it as it needs some zing added to get sexual hits, just like 203). My inadvertent ‘blind testing’ proved that. On Monday, I think I will carry on with my 203 + small amounts of TUTH to see if I can get more solid hits rather than just friendliness/chattiness. Bring on the action. ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2012, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/13 "2012-10-19T04:55:40Z")
Hey, it’s been awhile. I’ve had all sorts of diversions in life personal, business & work so apart from the occasional top up of A314 and IS, I haven’t been testing. But I’m back and have just received a small batch to test out - [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/), MX399, P83 and P79 (as well as a top up of my old favourite, IO). Plus I’ve still half bottles of my old stash left TAC, TAA, MEO-EST (it’s a dirty word now…) that I’ve been using these last few days while waiting for my order to come in. Because I put phero testing on hold for so long, I still feel more than a Noob, but not yet schooled in phero. I’m also not the same as most guys and seem to already have a high level of none production (I could never use more than 2 drops of A314) - men literally shy their faces away from me. Positively intimidating, in spite of my smiley nature. I have high cortisol levels and my testosterone has been high in the past (all natural 😃 So regular mone advice never seems to work for me. I think that’s worth a post of itself (I remember taking part in a really good post on high cortisol levels and none levels. “Let the games begin…” ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/14 "2012-10-20T04:39:43Z")
New batch Day 1: MXs didn’t arrive till pm so for my trip to the dentist I only had on 1xTAA, 1xTAC mainly on my wrist & bit rubbed on neck. Results: Very cute new dentist - blonde, mid 20s, with a slightly less attractive assistant (who looked a little interested). Dentist was attentive but with hindsight she seemed to be looking at me for something more. As if the potential was there but she was waiting for me to engage her. The mix was not a complete mix & had I known they now had as pretty a dentist I would have added a drop of A314 or some IO or something more focused. I think she’s more of a ‘turned on by status’ girl. I might yet see her at my hygienist app next Friday. Night: MXs arrived! Try out on the missus. Neck side mx297 x1 Front Neck L. Wrist P83 x1 R. Wrist (rub of left arm) Forearm mx399 x1 Back neck Slightly less resistance than normal. More comfort than normal and a bit more compliant than usual. Happier to get raunchy than normal. But again, waiting for my direction (like earlier, I wasn’t massively in the mood ☹ We got raunchy but nothing spectacular. Self effects: When I’m not in the mood or expecting anything, this may need something more alpha from me or maybe just a push of IS to motivate me to lead? Shorter week at work coming up so will prob use [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) low dosage & work my way up, along with some small doses of socials to end up with P83 as well by Thursday. Dentist again on Friday so will use the full mx297 dosage in case the cute new Eastern European dentist catches a whiff of me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-new-batch-day-1/9533/15 "2012-10-22T01:22:10Z")
As this is now focusing on [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/), I’ve started a new thread here in the MX section: > [@The official MX297 discussion thread for men's test results](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx297-discussion-thread/61493/63): > > Hey, it’s been awhile. I’ve had all sorts of diversions in life personal, business & work so apart from the occasional top up of A314 and IS, I haven’t been testing. But I’m back and have just received a small batch to test out - MX297 , MX399 , P83 and P79 (as well as a top up of my old favourite, IO ). Plus I’ve still half bottles of my old stash left TAC , TAA , MEO- EST (it’s a dirty word now…) that I’ve been using these last few days while waiting for my order to come in. Because I put p…