# My oh my, were did the respect go? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 28, 2009, 10:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065 "2009-07-28T10:43:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/121 "2009-07-31T05:30:11Z")
Jankren, I know where you’re coming from because I’ve been there too. But… In my case I wasn’t actually being “nice” though. I was a boring, non-challenging, supplicating wussy who agreed with anything and everything a cute girl wanted to do, say, go etc etc… I thought if I backed a girl up on everything how could she not like me? And I also saw her then run off with guys who didn’t appear anywhere near as “nice” as me 🙂 As I said in my original post (waaaayyyy back in this thread somewhere) the _theory_ behind PU is actually sound. It’s the intent behind it that rankles people. You dont attract women with PU because you negged at the right time, did a takeaway, then isolated and escalated Kino. They are merely behaviours you get taught to **convey** that you are a Confident, self assured, intelligent, well rounded, non-needy, fun guy. And it’s that impression of you that you create that attracts the girl. Some guys naturally have those traits. Some guys (me) just kind of develop as they get older, wiser and more experienced in life. And for some guys, especially if they’re in a hurry, PU can be handy to “fake it till you make it” as long as they understand **why** it works. My main point, is that you don’t have to be a jerk or emotionally distant to attract women. You need to be the things I stated above, and none of those require losing the ability to be genuinely nice 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/122 "2009-07-31T05:38:52Z")
Personally since I started studying PU way back when, I’ve never been more emotionally attached to woman before now. For the first time in my life I can say I am honestly in love with someone. I’ve had girlfriends before, but I always manipulated my feelings and expressions therewith to provide what I thought they wanted. This is where the emotional detachment occurred. I could just as easily say all gay and bi-sexual men have no idea what love is! All they are looking for is a sexual thrill. WOW, what a way to piss someone off that would be, but according to most TV shows, many, many posts by the gay and bi-sexual members of this community it could stand to reason that is very well the truth. Problem with that? I just lumped everyone into one big category and I’m sure it would really upset many people. Ostracizing people is just emotionally detaching oneself and therefore at the heart of the problem you are saying you’re against. ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/123 "2009-07-31T05:43:43Z")
> [@BLADE](#): > > Jankren, I know where you’re coming from because I’ve been there too. > > But… > > In my case I wasn’t actually being “nice” though. I was a boring, non-challenging, supplicating wussy who agreed with anything and everything a cute girl wanted to do, say, go etc etc… > > I thought if I backed a girl up on everything how could she not like me? And I also saw her then run off with guys who didn’t appear anywhere near as “nice” as me 🙂 > > As I said in my original post (waaaayyyy back in this thread somewhere) the _theory_ behind PU is actually sound. It’s the intent behind it that rankles people. > > You dont attract women with PU because you negged at the right time, did a takeaway, then isolated and escalated Kino. They are merely behaviours you get taught to **convey** that you are a Confident, self assured, intelligent, well rounded, non-needy, fun guy. And it’s that impression of you that you create that attracts the girl. > > Some guys naturally have those traits. Some guys (me) just kind of develop as they get older, wiser and more experienced in life. And for some guys, especially if they’re in a hurry, PU can be handy to “fake it till you make it” as long as they understand **why** it works. > > My main point, is that you don’t have to be a jerk or emotionally distant to attract women. You need to be the things I stated above, and none of those require losing the ability to be genuinely nice 🙂 I understand what you are saying holmes but my point is if its okay for women to wait for the guys to approach and entertain them and keep dropping them when someone who pleases them better approaches, why is it not okay for men to use our skills to keep approaching a lot of women and keep dropping them when we find someone better? **"It is the same game with different rules.**" 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/124 "2009-07-31T05:47:44Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I could just as easily say all gay and bi-sexual men have no idea what love is! All they are looking for is a sexual thrill. WOW, what a way to piss someone off that would be, but according to most TV shows, many, many posts by the gay and bi-sexual members of this community it could stand to reason that is very well the truth. Problem with that? I just lumped everyone into one big category and I’m sure it would really upset many people. Ostracizing people is just emotionally detaching oneself and therefore at the heart of the problem you are saying you’re against. This has already been addressed, Steve, please move on. 🙂😛🙄 In multiple posts, within this thread, members have stated that PUA material can be used wrongly, and in such a way which can aid in self-improvement. Clear separation. Let’s keep moving 🙂 Edit: In retrospect, this post comes off, too me, to be a little condescending (the current post I’m adding the edit too). I’m sorry, I didn’t mean it to come off that way. I meant we should be trying to avoid dwelling on such issues, which have already been clarified, as to prevent further confrontation. Dominick ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/125 "2009-07-31T06:52:34Z")
> [@BLADE](#): > > _ **Jankren, I know where you’re coming from because I’ve been there too.** _ > > _ **But…** _ > > _ **In my case I wasn’t actually being “nice” though. I was a boring, non-challenging, supplicating wussy who agreed with anything and everything a cute girl wanted to do, say, go etc etc…** _ > > _ **I thought if I backed a girl up on everything how could she not like me? And I also saw her then run off with guys who didn’t appear anywhere near as “nice” as me 🙂** _ > > _**As I said in my original post (waaaayyyy back in this thread somewhere) the theory behind PU is actually sound. It’s the intent behind it that rankles people.**_ > > _ **You dont attract women with PU because you negged at the right time, did a takeaway, then isolated and escalated Kino. They are merely behaviours you get taught to convey that you are a Confident, self assured, intelligent, well rounded, non-needy, fun guy. And it’s that impression of you that you create that attracts the girl.** _ > > _**Some guys naturally have those traits. Some guys (me) just kind of develop as they get older, wiser and more experienced in life. And for some guys, especially if they’re in a hurry, PU can be handy to “fake it till you make it” as long as they understand why it works.**_ > > _ **My main point, is that you don’t have to be a jerk or emotionally distant to attract women. You need to be the things I stated above, and none of those require losing the ability to be genuinely nice 🙂** _ Well said, thank you for that. Hi, Blade. 🙂 I couldn’t agree more. Nice guys don’t finish last. Guys who don’t use their heads finish last. 😉 Reps! Bella ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/126 "2009-07-31T07:02:28Z")
Same game different rules I like that. My Father was bi. I don’t think all bisexual males are just after a thrill and neither are the women I think people in general are after thrills its hard wired into us.We want to be excited shocked and titillated. 🙂 Perhaps I’m biased I had a very sweet loving bi man for a father who loved my mother no matter how much weight she gained or how old she got. I’m so happy for you steve-o and I think that only awhile ago one of your own posts came to a misunderstanding I think the same thing happened here kinda but for different reasons and because of a different situation.Basically though both posts unintentionally salted old wounds. I came here to find something my boyfriend could use because he was envious of a product I got from somewhere else that I got over the top reactions from but fell in love with androtics products and philosophy. I adore the people on this forum and like hearing about their adventures and experiences. Certainly I want more sex.My relationship with my boyfriend has hit that old married couple stage and I’m trying to spice things up not just for me but for him. Jankren honey. I don’t know who hurt you but I’m so so sorry. Nice guys don’t always loose out. Yeah, just like nice girls you get kicked around a lot. I myself have a bitter streak due to old wounds and experiences and certainly I do not want to judge you for your own grumpy exterior 🙂 The only thing I can say is try to set that soft place aside somewhere sheltered until you bump into a girl who really really gets that part of you.I liked the frankness of that post it suits you. ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/127 "2009-07-31T07:03:40Z")
I made a note to my last post, sorry about that, just in case it wasn’t just me who had that thought. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/128 "2009-07-31T07:14:26Z")
> [@Domnk](#): > > This has already been addressed, Steve, please move on. 🙂😛🙄 > > In multiple posts, within this thread, members have stated that PUA material can be used wrongly, and in such a way which can aid in self-improvement. Clear separation. Let’s keep moving 🙂 And now you got the neg you asked for!!! Who the hell do you think you are to call out the most respected person on this forum? And you just got put on my IGNORE list too! ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/129 "2009-07-31T07:26:02Z")
Riiight, there was more to that post. Edit: Also, I should probably point out, I like to jest to lighten things up, but it seems those jests are consistently being misinterpreted. Re-read those posts, and, see what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/130 "2009-07-31T07:42:37Z")
Dang even Mark got a bit pissed… I think this thread did more harm than good.. I love this community, who else am I going to tell all my phero secrets to? not friends they just want the pheros lol This is my last post to this thread, I will not be checking back. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/131 "2009-07-31T07:48:24Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > _ **Dang even Mark got a bit pissed…** _ You could say that. I just came from his journal. Good night folks. Bella ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/132 "2009-07-31T09:53:58Z")
> [@BLADE](#): > > Jankren, I know where you’re coming from because I’ve been there too. > > But… > > In my case I wasn’t actually being “nice” though. I was a boring, non-challenging, supplicating wussy who agreed with anything and everything a cute girl wanted to do, say, go etc etc… > > I thought if I backed a girl up on everything how could she not like me? And I also saw her then run off with guys who didn’t appear anywhere near as “nice” as me 🙂 > > As I said in my original post (waaaayyyy back in this thread somewhere) the _theory_ behind PU is actually sound. It’s the intent behind it that rankles people. > > You dont attract women with PU because you negged at the right time, did a takeaway, then isolated and escalated Kino. They are merely behaviours you get taught to **convey** that you are a Confident, self assured, intelligent, well rounded, non-needy, fun guy. And it’s that impression of you that you create that attracts the girl. > > Some guys naturally have those traits. Some guys (me) just kind of develop as they get older, wiser and more experienced in life. And for some guys, especially if they’re in a hurry, PU can be handy to “fake it till you make it” as long as they understand **why** it works. > > My main point, is that you don’t have to be a jerk or emotionally distant to attract women. You need to be the things I stated above, and none of those require losing the ability to be genuinely nice 🙂 Oh god I think I love you LOL 😃 This is exactly it. > [@](#): > > The reason I distanced myself emotionally when I talked about dehumanizing women was because Ill be honest no matter how hard I try I just still cant overcome my ‘genuine soft side’. The natural sensitive part of me wont let me to go that far. I wish I could make it disappear though because that part of me is what always lowered my value in my relationships and eventually led me to the losing end. No matter what positive bull crap girls say about ‘nice guys’ I can say from my own experience that it is the biggest lie on earth which the girls themselves probably dont believe in. There is a difference between being a nice guy and respectful of others and being a chump. No one is saying lower your value just stop thinking your value is the only one with any worth. All people have value and thats what you need to remember. There are some girls who are the way you say but not all of them. Case in point my niece just did a number on her boyfriend and he is a nice guy. Problem was he let her lead the relationship and we all warned him because we know her personality. He could have easily led the relationship more and still maintained his nice side. Dont give up one side for the other learn to balance them. > [@](#): > > And now you got the neg you asked for!!! Who the hell do you think you are to call out the most respected person on this forum? > > And you just got put on my IGNORE list too! Mark really now everyone else is over it including Steve so why dont you just take a deep breath. You tend to get a little over defensive and this just serves to fuel the fire. He did in no way call Steve out or disrespect him. Your replys on the other hand have been hostile and disrespectful. I know you love the forum and you back your friends up in it all the time but dont make a mountain out of a mole hill. This has caused problems in the past when other members have done it and its just makes the whole atmosphere in here hostile. He politely asked to move on in the subject and he acknowledged that it can be used both for self improvement and be used wrong. I myself said there is only a handful of men who use PUA material correctly in here. People have the right to there opinions, that is what forums are for but your not stating your opinion your just being hostile. Get over it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/133 "2009-07-31T15:41:28Z")
I haven’t read this whole thread - only the last two pages but I think I have a jist of what the debate is all about. You have to remember though that the attraction stage is only the first 10-15 minutes of an interaction between people. And it is the ‘tactics’ and ‘routines’ within this attraction stage which seems to cause upset. I don’t think anyone would have an issue with the comfort or seduction stages - it is purely a misunderstanding of the attraction stage which causes upset. I can see why it does though, because I agree that the acronyms and the like can appear disrespectful - they are a little crude. However, I think there intention is to offer an average guy a platform to convey his personality from. A chance for him to demonstrate his personality for 10-15 minutes before moving into comfort. Aside from negs, false time constraints and other concepts used in the attraction stage, the rest of PUA is all about eradicating self defeating behaviour from ones psyche. In that respect it is nothing more than self help/self improvement geared specifically towards men. We refer to it as ‘inner game’ and it is the only aspect of the pick up community that has really, genuinely benefited me. Sure I learnt to become more touchy feely (Kino) and to be less direct at first, but it was bettering my own personality and gaining an understanding of female psychology that helped me the most. From the outside looking in, the pick up community can appear disrespectful but in reality most of the guys in it are anything but disrespectful. Indeed one of the core problems with the ‘nice’ guy is that he has too little respect for himself and shows others perhaps _too much_ respect. Domnk, I love your journal, but that’s because I’m part of - and understand - the Pheromone community. From an outside perspective it could easily be “My oh my, where does all this devious scheming, manipulating and controlling behaviour come from?” we both no that isn’t true though – it would just be a misunderstanding. We too in this community use crude acronyms like ‘target’ and ‘hit’, there intention isn’t to dehumanize those we hang around with socially, there use is solely so we can communicate effectively what we see and experience without giving excessive, long winded, unnecessary details. ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/134 "2009-07-31T21:07:06Z")
> [@BrunetteBeauty](#): > > men constantly insisting women only care about social status and cash. Yeah, women dont **only** care about social status and cash. Instead, women care about social status, cash, **and also** many other things. 🙄 Im not saying its a bad thing. Men care about a lot of things as well. But it kind of ticks me off when some women try to convince people how women dont care about social status and cash at all. Yeah right … Its as bullcrap as a guy saying he doesnt care at all about sex and a woman’s looks because HE DOES! After all he cant reject his evolutionary and biological traits. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/135 "2009-07-31T21:56:34Z")
> [@jankren](#): > > Yeah, women dont **only** care about social status and cash. > > But it kind of ticks me off when some women try to convince people how women dont care about social status and cash at all. Yeah right … Really? And at 21 you are obviously an expert on women? 🙄 I’m sorry, but you are so wrong! You can’t generalize like that. I’m sure there are shallow gold-digger type women out there, but please don’t try and convince me that they are a majority! Let me use my sister as an example. She is beautiful, (5’9", slim, typical Swedish looks) & very intelligent…2 batchelors degrees (1 summa cum laude, 1 magna cum laude) and a PhD. What’s her husband like? He didn’t finish high school, and he drives road trains for a living (road train is aussie for massive trucks). She could have had any guy she wanted but she chose him, and it had absolutely nothing to do with money or social status… she chose him because she fell in love. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/136 "2009-07-31T22:07:28Z")
Beautiful, simply beautiful story. I’m glad there’s girls out there like you and your sister. When you’re in love that’s all that matters, no flaw or imperfection is even cared for (because in their eyes that person is perfect.) > [@Xiphoid](#): > > Really? And at 21 you are obviously an expert on women? 🙄 > > I’m sorry, but you are so wrong! You can’t generalize like that. I’m sure there are shallow gold-digger type women out there, but please don’t try and convince me that they are a majority! > > Let me use my sister as an example. She is beautiful, (5’9", slim, typical Swedish looks) & very intelligent…2 batchelors degrees (1 summa cum laude, 1 magna cum laude) and a PhD. What’s her husband like? He didn’t finish high school, and he drives road trains for a living (road train is aussie for massive trucks). She could have had any guy she wanted but she chose him, and it had absolutely nothing to do with money or social status… she chose him because she fell in love. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/137 "2009-07-31T22:15:50Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Beautiful, simply beautiful story. I’m glad there’s girls out there like you and your sister. When you’re in love that’s all that matters, no flaw or imperfection is even cared for (because in their eyes that person is perfect.) Exactly! You don’t love someone because they are beautiful, they are beautiful because you love them ---
**Author:** ![Rosslyn-Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@Rosslyn-Rose](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rosslyn-Rose)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/138 "2009-07-31T22:29:52Z")
To the OP. I think you are wonderfully in touch with your feminin side and good on ya, not every man loves the male stag ego. To jankren, I am happily married, and have no interest in straying, but there is something wonderfully dominating about being wanted and to feel that you are attracting others, it’s playful toying for a small moment in time. Nothing serious intended. Women and pheromones are not just there looking for lasting love, there are so many other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/139 "2009-07-31T23:11:33Z")
> [@](#): > > Its as bullcrap as a guy saying he doesnt care at all about sex and a woman’s looks because HE DOES! After all he cant reject his evolutionary and biological traits. Evolutionary and biological traits revolve more strongly around getting more food and drink. Ah dunno, I sure see a lot of really fat guys in the USA. That tells me they spend most of their time eating, not banging attractive women. Check out the fat guys shopping with their fat wives at Costco or on military base PXs. I find it hard to believe looks were involved with their choice of mates. Perhaps they liked one another for other reasons? Culture? Lifestyle? Convenience? I’ve known a few shameless dudes whom preferred sugarmamas. It was mostly about her comfortable lifestyle and being able to lay around in her big house drinking BlueMoon and watching sports on her home theater system. Obviously they cared far more about eating and drinking the finest than gettin’ busy. Sex and looks are easy to forgive. A lack of food, drink and good digs are not. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065/140 "2009-07-31T23:41:12Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > You don’t love someone because they are beautiful, they are beautiful because you love them This should be the quote of the day! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065.md?page=6) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-oh-my-were-did-the-respect-go/31065.md?page=8)