# My personal guide to making ICM oil **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 26, 2010, 11:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139 "2010-08-26T23:49:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 11:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139/1 "2010-08-26T23:49:08Z")
Steve is the creator of this mix and Snoopy is this the obvious enthusiast when it comes to this mixture. This thread was made in mind to help the process of making this oil from my own experience with making it. Concentration- In order to make a proper ICM 1a or any of the other versions of ICM you must buy the concentrations in 112.5 mcgs per spray to-go option. The reason for this is purely the fact that the ideology to making any homemade phero oil is to have the highest viscosity possible. At this concentration you receive 900 mcgs per mL which is pretty much the highest concentration you can buy since in a 30 mL bottle 150 mcgs per spray still only equates to 1 mg of pheromone per mL and I doubt AD will let you buy more in demand/precious molecules in this option or higher. Scent Medium- In order to make phero oil you must also decide whether you’d like to use pure essential or cologne oil. Theres many sites you can google to obtain either just make sure you find a reputable company that doesnt cut their product to make more money while giving you a less potent product. I myself prefer essential oils because I can always wear colognes that complement that specific scent note rather than to have to wear that same exact scent every time I use the oil. Dipropylene Glycol options - Androtics offers a wide variety of DPG options but the DPG treated with natural plant musks is a wonderful option as Snoopy has recommended previously. I know some may say it is expensive so I’ll tell it like this. If your someone who wants the most efficient diffusion and dont mind spending the extra dollar splurge for the 16-20 DPG with natural musks and/or ylang ylang. If your on a budget which is just as plausible simply buy a 16 oz bottle of DPG from one of the many suppliers. The irony though is if you have the money to make a proper ICM oil (which is very expensive in my recollection vs normal phero buying) then it should be no problem to spend a few bucks on the DPG from AD. Instructions on going about numbers and mixing - As for the numbers I will give a guideline that can be altered depending on what you would like out of the mix. You have the option of these- DPG : Phero Ratio 60:40 65:35 66:33 70:30 75:25 Now right off the bat 60/40 is too watery for my taste. Also 75/25 is a little too restricting unless your only gonna make a phero oil of 2 to a max of 3 major components. Keep in mind some putatives/experimones such as TAA burn out faster so decide whether you rather save more of you alcohol allowance for a more important component but also take into a account whether or not the other component could overpower another in this case having too much P93. Formula for ICM 1a Androstenone 5 ug Beta Androstenol 5 ug P74 5 ug TAC 5 ug TAA 4 ug P93 3 ug Heres the thing about oil. Its very inconsistent in the sense that you never really know how much your applying mcg wise. A314 is professionally made by AD but how little or how big is the drop supposed to be in order to accommodate the appropriate dosage rules for application. The only way to have precise dosing when you do apply is to use a dropper and apply exactly one drop to whatever amount you wish. The only problem with that is droppers end up leaving residue inside that you cannot salvage for your own usage. What I’m really saying here if you want a really fine tuned homemade mix the oil option is not entirely viable in a mcg sense. On top of that we dont know how fast all of the putatives burn precisely and how each Alcohol:DPG ratio will effect the overall duration in a higher viscosity = longer period of diffusion manner with exactness. Now I will show my own ICM Layout None- 4.5 mL of unscented Alpha 7 B-nol- 3 mL of 112.5 to go (I substituted with IH4x to save some cash) P74- 2 mL of 112.5 to go TAC- 2 mL of 112.5 to go TAA- 2 mL of 112.5 to go P93- 2 mL of 112.5 to go DPG- 22 mLs total This may be a little confusing but also take into account that the DPG includes the A7 and what you will use to scent the mix (Essential oils or Cologne oil) At least 1/3-1/2 of your DPG allowance should be your essential oil or cologne oil in order to enhance diffusive properties and to prevent pheromone stink felt by more odorous molecules. Explanation- I know some of us are against buying this from LS as such but there is a rationale to me using A7. A7 is already in oil form so basically it increases my alcohol allowance so I can utilize my allowance more carefully. (You can make any substitutions you like this is just my personal take on the mix) For my mixture I went with a 66:33 ratio DPG:Pheros excluding the A7 because that is already in a oil medium. So since the rest of the components make up a total amount of 11 mLs of alcohol I use 22 mLs of DPG in order to give me that ratio (Every ratio is different depending on how many components you use, how much of each, and how big of a batch you decide to make so use you head and a calculator as each and every one of us should know how to do basic fractions and percentage.) At the very end of mixing I decided to replace 1 mL of DPG with 1 mL of women’s SoE to add to slight pinch of copulins with no worry of smell. As for mixing goes I had removed the DPG putting all 21 mLs in a larger bottle that could accommodate over 30 mL worth of fluid. After that I began to take each to go carefully removing the label using a dropper eyeballing as close to the line as possible doing increments of 0.75-2mLs depending on how much of the component I was using. Remember to hold the to go the whole time you have it open and never set it down until you screw the cap back on because its very easy to jerk your arm or fidget and end up spilling the whole bottle. Put the label back on if you didnt use the whole thing to obviously know what it is and to ensure it wont leak. In the case your not using whole mL amounts and/or amounts that are in between the .25/.5/.75 marks do this if you want to be exact. Take the dropper you use and fill up the dropper to the 1 mL line with any perfumer alcohol base. Trickle each drop out keeping count of how many drops you end up with once you flush out the whole milliliter. Personally for my dropper its 32 drops. What I’m saying is if you have a weird amount like 1.15 mL multiply your total amount of drops per mL for your dropper by the remainder of the amount which in this case is 0.15. In my case that gives me 4.8 drops which I’ll round to 5 drops for good measure. This enables you to be more exact without fretting over putting too much or too little (Just remember that when you do a remainder like .15 or .35 as such that you do it slowly and carefully one drop at a time to prevent any callous mistakes) To give a choice I’ll say this - You may mix the molecules with the DPG and let them get to know one another truly and intimately for 7 days and then after which mix the scented portion (essential/cologne oil) with it and let the concoction be for another 7 days. I dont really have the patience for this so I just mix the pheros with the DPG first and mix the scented medium 10-20 minutes afterwards and let it settle and form together. As for the final mcgs in my case lets see for good measure so you have an idea how to work with your own numbers. (Nbully’s calculator is very helpful but in this case I didn’t use it) Androstenone - Alpha 7 contains 600 mcgs of none and 100 mcgs of rone per mL so 4.5 mLs gives me 2700 mcgs of none and 450 mcgs of rone Beta Androstenol - Since I used IH4x the concentration is 400 mcgs per mL giving me 1200 mcgs with 3 mL. 112.5 mcg per spray to go gives 900 mcgs per mL P74 - 900x3 = 2700 TAC - 900x2 = 1800 TAA - 900x2 = 1800 P93 - 900x2 = 1800 Alpha Androstenol - Since SoE is 4 mg nol and 1 mg rone 1 mL of SoE gives me 400 mcgs of Alpha nol and 100 mcgs of rone Tally Anone - 2700ug Erone - 550ug B-nol - 1200ug A-nol - 400ug P74 - 2700ug TAC - 1800ug TAA - 1800ug P93 - 1800ug total of 12,950 mcgs of pheromone content total mcgs per mL 392 mcgs Amount of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) per drop : 12.26 mcgs (I used these ratios because they fit the bill for what I was doing and the adding of amounts of androsterone and alpha nol made the meal more complete. Feel free to have equal proportions of everything like in the actual recipe.) Types of application 1. Dropper - This is the most exact and there is no concern with pouring too little or too much much by accident. Problem with it is is if your on the go its kind of inconvenient as you have to bring a dropper with you. 2. Using a A314 bottle - Now this is very charming for the most part because A314 bottles are the best being better than the NPA/A7/PI bottles because of the way its contructed in order to prevent spillage and have the best application in the tip over till you get the drop you want method. No real weaknesses just you cant have exact control over mcg dosage. 3. Roll on - I like using a roll on because I don’t fiddling around with tipping a bottle or using a dropper (do use a dropper sometimes when i just want to apply a little). The problem with roll on’s is very obvious as the dosage is gauged in inches rather than drops and its truly hard to discern how much you put on since some swabs of the roll on will apply more oil than others. Personally for me 8-10 inches of ICM 1b is like a dream with women. I know my guide is all over the place in a sense but if it helps at least 1 person on here I’ll be happy 😃 ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139/2 "2010-08-26T23:59:04Z")
Wow, did you go to school for chemistry? How did you figure out what mgs is what? And what would ICM results be? Like a “perfect” mix of attraction, respect and social…or? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 12:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139/3 "2010-08-27T00:03:21Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > Wow, did you go to school for chemistry? How did you figure out what mgs is what? And what would ICM results be? Like a “perfect” mix of attraction, respect and social…or? ICM is MX301, it’s an attraction based product that owns all over [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139/4 "2010-08-27T00:04:41Z")
I’m pretty sure [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) is 3 mcgs per dose. Other than that awesome job with the tutorial! @Rad there are actually a bunch of ICM mixes. 301 and 302 are both part of the ICM family. Edit: Just checked my mix from the calculator. P93 is 3mcgs TAA is 4mcgs. Though 5 of TAA is probably fine, but I remember there being a reason for 3 of P93. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139/5 "2010-08-27T00:07:08Z")
Oh I know but the formula listed is for 301 as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-personal-guide-to-making-icm-oil/41139/6 "2010-08-27T00:11:52Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > Wow, did you go to school for chemistry? How did you figure out what mgs is what? And what would ICM results be? Like a “perfect” mix of attraction, respect and social…or? Flattering I’ll admit but no I just like numbers and have always been interested in ratios/proportions of any kind. Arithmetic helps me with most of the numbers. The facts that make a difference in knowing the numbers is the total pheromone content/ how many sprays/ and how many total mLs and Voila. Most of it is about the difference between 8 sprays in a to go and 6.667 sprays in a 30 mL spray which is a big difference at higher mcg spray quantities. The higher the mcg heaviness of the mix the more potent the materials have to be. Its a fusion of sorts ICM 1b. Its social attraction. I’m very very likeable when I wear it although not highly respected. I could throw A314 on with it but I like just as it is without the respect vibe but…[Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) with ICM 1b might be interesting 🆒 With ICM 1b Theres attraction. Theres romance. Theres friendship. Theres camaraderie with everyone. And even in a sense people let me lead. Bonding with guys or girls I like it either way. ---
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Nominated, come support gentlemen ---
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> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Nominated, come support gentlemen All out of my league right now, but something tells me that my present day thanking and nomination will pay off in dividends using this informaion in the future. 🙂