# My Pherocios Findings-The Journal Of JesseJester **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [April 1, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641 "2009-04-01T18:21:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/243 "2010-04-20T01:45:59Z")
Ah, don’t worry Jess. I doubt that there’s such a thing as a mix that works well for everyone so if you may consider the mix you’re working on as “crappy” I’m sure that there’s someone who might actually get good results from it. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/244 "2010-04-20T01:53:57Z")
> [@giants52000](#): > > Hilarious! > > JJ - got a question for you. Really basic mixing question. > > If I buy IH 2X and IS 2X and an empty to go. Let’s say I want to mix them together 1:1. Can I just take that empty ToGo, fill it half way with IH and half with IS, shake it up, let it sit for 3 days and it’s ready to use? > > Thanks! I guess you could. You would end up with 1x of each per spray, but I have read a 100 times that you should not mix Instant line products in the same bottle. ---
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/245 "2010-04-20T02:02:51Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > I guess you could. You would end up with 1x of each per spray, but I have read a 100 times that you should not mix Instant line products in the same bottle. Where have you read that? Why do you think it’s not a good idea to mix two of the instant lines together (honestly curious)? I thought they were meant for that. Also, why would mixing them together make it 1X? What about if I bought IH 4X and IS 4X. Would that make them 2X if I mixed them together? I’m just asking because it’s a been year and spraying on both IH and IS would be easier if I could just take one small ToGo and spray once. Thanks for your help! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/246 "2010-04-20T02:30:29Z")
> [@giants52000](#): > > Where have you read that? Why do you think it’s not a good idea to mix two of the instant lines together (honestly curious)? I thought they were meant for that. > > Also, why would mixing them together make it 1X? What about if I bought IH 4X and IS 4X. Would that make them 2X if I mixed them together? > > I’m just asking because it’s a been year and spraying on both IH and IS would be easier if I could just take one small ToGo and spray once. > > Thanks for your help! They were meant for mixing yes, ON skin though. The ExperiMone line is meant more for mixing. As far as the ratio goes I’m not sure, but you can download nbully’s calculator and it’ll tell you all the info you need. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/247 "2010-04-20T02:52:25Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > I have to tell you something. Designing your own mix is a pain in the ass. Im not even talking about the mixing part of it all, its the testing and revising part that gets really frustrating. It seems that whenever you adjust one ingredient, you have to adjust another. Then its week after week of testing this version and that version, just to realize: > > A. Your mix fucking blows and you should just buy the Instant line > > B. You put too much of something in there and there is a 250lb dude swinging at you, or some bimbo talking so much you want to jab a hot soddering iron in your ear > > C. You spend way too much time in bars and coffee shops and you have developed an alcohol and caffine dependancy > > D. You have to sell your highly sought after MX’s to feed your Phero OCD > > E. This all could have been avoided if you were just given the formula for MX178 > > F. That maybe, just maybe, you have created a great mix that works around everyone (see ICM 0.25.1a) > > Just giving you some things to think about before you decide walk this trail. > > Or maybe you are confused by my opinion because you cant quite fit your head that far up your ass 😃 Cause thats were mine seems to be. > > Good Times! THAT IS HILARIOUS! 😃 I can totally relate. If you have the ingredients, try this and see what you think of it. > [@A~none, A~rone, Beta-Androstenol, P83...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-none-a-rone-beta-androstenol-p83/37128): > > Seriously. If you have the means and the know how, try this simple composite. It is basically just [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) with Beta-androstenol instead of Alpha-Androstenol and the addition of P83 but ohhhh… Here is what I put together in a combination of neroli and grapefruit scents (6%)- Androstenone 3 mcg Androsterone 7.5 mcg Beta-Androstenol- 10 mcg P83 7.5 mcg The results are remarkably similar to the SAM mix (Thanks again for the name K-Train) but I really think I l… Androstenone 3 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) Androsterone 7.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) Beta-nol - 10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) P83 7.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) Very simple and unimaginative but it works great around everyone I’ve tried it around. (This is my SAM mix that I’ve made a few times since I made the [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) batch. I like this better). 🙂 Guys are your friend and very respectful (lots of guys buying me drinks because I’m so awesome) and women show LOTS of interest. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/248 "2010-04-20T03:14:17Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Androstenone 3 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) > Androsterone 7.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) > Beta-nol - 10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) > P83 7.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) . Is this per spray, or the target amount. I will give it a try. I do have all 4. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/249 "2010-04-20T03:24:13Z")
> [@giants52000](#): > > Where have you read that? Why do you think it’s not a good idea to mix two of the instant lines together (honestly curious)? I thought they were meant for that. What Miko said. I dont remember exactly where I saw it, but Tisha used to tell the n00bs over and over again not to do it. > [@giants52000](#): > > What about if I bought IH 4X and IS 4X. Would that make them 2X if I mixed them together? Yes. Technicaly your diluting each of them by half. So thats why you would get 2x of each. > [@giants52000](#): > > I’m just asking because it’s a been year and spraying on both IH and IS would be easier if I could just take one small ToGo and spray once. I understand, But if you are seeing results by doing the above, why mess with a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/250 "2010-04-20T03:45:19Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > I understand, But if you are seeing results by doing the above, why mess with a good thing? Definitely. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/251 "2010-04-20T21:08:36Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > Is this per spray, or the target amount. I will give it a try. I do have all 4. Per Spray. Sorry, I’m used to throwing everything into one bottle. WAY more convenient for me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/252 "2010-04-20T23:29:35Z")
Thanks for your help! I think I’ll just do what I’ve always done but to cut down on the aresenol I of glass I need to bring to work everyday (30 ML IH, 30 ML IS, and A314. I’m thinking I might pour the IH and IS in separate bottles. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/253 "2010-04-23T18:04:00Z")
Jesse, I have a quick question for you if you don’t mind. It only occurred to me today that I’ve never owned or used [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) before. I’ve given pretty much everything else a go - including the likes of Mystery Boy - but never Instant Jerk. The rumoured anone content always scared me away. 2 sprays of Turn up the Heat is pushing my luck so I imagine I’d have no chance with Instant Jerk. So, how do you find Instant Jerk compares to Turn up the Heat? Is it worth me giving it a go? ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/254 "2010-04-24T01:17:10Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Jesse, I have a quick question for you if you don’t mind. > > It only occurred to me today that I’ve never owned or used Instant Jerk before. I’ve given pretty much everything else a go - including the likes of Mystery Boy - but never Instant Jerk. The rumoured anone content always scared me away. 2 sprays of Turn up the Heat is pushing my luck so I imagine I’d have no chance with Instant Jerk. So, how do you find Instant Jerk compares to Turn up the Heat? Is it worth me giving it a go? I’m gonna chime in too on this. Same as you 2 sprays of TUTH seems to be my limit. However, I can wear 1 spray of IJ without a problem. 2 sprays I od’ed and got wicked pissed at everyone around me. It was not pleasant. I found a mix that Snoopy posted that worked very well for me 1 IJ 150 mcgs Meo-EST 30 mcgs [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) This mix gets the attraction going and then things get a little touchy 🙂 I’ve also worn 1 IJ 30-50 mcgs P86 This gets me shit tested like crazy. Probably because of the IJ. P86 adds an “awe” type effect to it and seems to pull the attention your way. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/255 "2010-04-24T02:54:30Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Jesse, I have a quick question for you if you don’t mind. > > It only occurred to me today that I’ve never owned or used Instant Jerk before. I’ve given pretty much everything else a go - including the likes of Mystery Boy - but never Instant Jerk. The rumoured anone content always scared me away. 2 sprays of Turn up the Heat is pushing my luck so I imagine I’d have no chance with Instant Jerk. So, how do you find Instant Jerk compares to Turn up the Heat? Is it worth me giving it a go? Honestly, I was scared off by IJ for the -none content. I mean 12-15 mcgs of -none per spray…that is a lot of -none. But once I tried it, it became one of my favorite products. I think the trick to IJ is how you buffer it. I think you could handle it. From what i remember, you can wear 3 sprays of 292 and we all know thats 15 mcgs of -none…so i think you could pull of at least 1 spray. My personal opinion is IJ was made to be edgy and crude. Trying to alter that vibe produces hits, but does not seem to deliver the same results as amplifying that edge. My suggestions…anol, P79 and 2.5 to 5mcgs of erone. That combo seems to still buffer the -none without it loosing its edge. Please let us know what you run with. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/256 "2010-04-24T22:37:34Z")
To build on the above… I usually dont wear TUTH as a base. I keep it in my pocket in case things start to head in a sexual direction. To me, TUTH sends a message of “im trolling for sex”. IJ is just straight up agressive. It truly sends a bad boy vibe. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/257 "2010-04-29T21:37:05Z")
Thanks Jesse. And Maiden. I can wear 3 sprays of MX292 too much success, but the ICM’s are much more touch and go for me. Which is what has put me of a little bit from trying [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/). Anyway, I’m going to try Instant Jerk next time it’s in stock. Thanks again for the info. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/258 "2010-04-29T22:51:56Z")
After 4 months of OTS testing, I have made a composite 5ml bottle of Hitman v1 r2 for testing. It will now sit for 7 days in the black sock to be ready for testing next friday. Hopefully it works the same as the OTS mix. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/259 "2010-05-04T01:24:20Z")
Sorry guys…Not to be bringing up old shit but… > [@jessejester](#): > > I dont think that 301 and 302 are EXACTLY the same formulas as the ICM formulas that are posted. To be clear…im saying i dont think they are exactly the same. The MX’s seem more buffered. I am now convinced of this. Another month of testing has pretty much proven it to me. The hits I get .05b are far edgier than 301. As in…really noticable. At this point I wonder why I am even bothering puting together my own mix when .05b(game scented) has all i really need. _shruggs shoulders_ And while we are on the topic of old shit… Again, time after time, GAME scent consistantly gets me sniff sniff compliments. The past 4 woman I have left a bar with have been enamored with the scent. They complimented me numerous times during our encounter. It is such a fuckin shame they did away with it. The only thing I can think of, was that they paid to have the scent designed by someone, and had to pay again in some way to have it again. I mean really, think about it, Game scent won in the scent poll and 1 month later it gets axed, and Apuketo scent sticks around… What else could it be. I realize some of you like Apuketo scent, but Game scent was far more popular. Sorry for the rant, but sometimes shit just doesnt make sense ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/260 "2010-05-04T01:39:37Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > Sorry guys…Not to be bringing up old shit but… > > I am now convinced of this. Another month of testing has pretty much proven it to me. The hits I get .05b are far edgier than 301. As in…really noticable. At this point I wonder why I am even bothering puting together my own mix when .05b(game scented) has all i really need. _shruggs shoulders_ I’ve thought the same thing about the MX301/MX302. I find I have better results when I whip up my own. And it really isn’t that tough to do, either. I still have some ICM 1a left that tomorrow I am going to put into a few different oil scents to play with. > [@jessejester](#): > > …but Game scent was far more popular. It all depended on the circles you run in. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/261 "2010-05-05T02:36:10Z")
Every once and a while you I am reminded about how awesome some of these MX’s are. I have left MX292 alone for a while now. Its string of consistancy seemed lessen as the batch #'s increased and I had placed it in the bottom of the phero bag as a semi retired MX. Last night I dug it out to go get some Beer. Last Friday I met this girl wearing: IJ-2x TAC-12.5 mcgs [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)-12.5 mcgs P83-35 mcgs TAA-25 mcgs anol-50 mcgs bnol-20 mcgs (took her home that evening) Ok…so I have been sleeping with this girl for a little over a week now. This is pretty uncommon for me lately because of the recent success I have had since attending the LoveSystems bootcamp. Lately there has been a steady string of lovly ladies leaving the Jesters Lair early in the morning. Most…as bad as this makes me sound…do not get a second visit. Anyway, I invited this girl over to have a few(ya right) beers. There is a Brewery here in town called Triple Rock, and we both really like one of the beers there. They do not sell them bottled, but they give you this like box o beer thing if you want to take it home. I called her to tell her I was on my way to the place to get the beer when she told me she was at the place having a couple of beers with her friends. She said she had to fit them in this evening before coming to my place. She was on the upper deck and she invited me to join her and her friends(both female who seem to have heard alot about me). Before leaving the house I had applied: 3 & 1/2X-MX292 I went and sat with her in her friends on an outside deck above the brewery. I was being the normal Jesse, making them laugh and being super charming. Her red head friend(God bless red heads) who was across the table from me was leaning forward like you wouldnt believe. She just kept asking me ? after ? and laughing at everything I said. She said “OMG you smell good. What cologne is that” Her other friend is 90% lesbian. As in…she strays every now and then. She was SUPER cute, and all over me like flies on shit. This woman played with her long black hair the entire tim I was there. I mean…she flung it around and put in a ponytail at least 10 times in the hour we were there. She also had lots of shoulder leaning in my direction, kept crossing and un crossing her legs, and kept biting her lip as I spoke. As this is happening I look over at the girl I am sleeping with, who is also across the table, and there is nothing but an annoyed look on her face as she looks back and forth at her friends reacting to me. She is just sitting there quiet, when she kinda gives me the “why are you trying to charm the pants off my friends” look. Funny stuff.🙂 So, she has to give her friends a ride home so we all walk down stairs. They are headed out, and I am headed to the bar to get my box of beer, her lesbian friend wound not leave the bar. She just kept talking to me. She was totally annoying the girl im am messing around with. Ok, they left and i went to the bar to get my beer. I stood next to these 2 cutie girls sharing a bottle of wine while i waited for the bartender. I opened, and we started BSing. It seems that one of them had broken up with her boyfriend, and her friend was taking her out as a celebration. We talked for a bit while the bartender poured my beer. Oooo. There we go. The hair is starting to flip, forward body language, and they are cutting each other off when trying to talk to me. Great hits. Lots of smiles. It seems like a competition for my attention. I was really trying to mess with them. “I dont know who your last boyfrind was, but he obviously didnt spank you enough” Her. “OMG I love to be spanked” her friend “Me too. mmmm” So, i grab my box of beer and tell them I am heading out. I shake each of their hands. Turning each of them over and caressing the top. “have a good night ladies.” One says "you need any help drinking that beer?😮 The other one says “WE would love to help you out.”😮😮 I gave a big smile and said "im already entertaining someone this evening ladies, maybe some other time. As I turn to leave I hear “hey, let me give you my #” You should call us sometime. I took her # and went back to my house where I was greeted with a kiss that lead to a great shoulder massage, BJ, and her on top sex. Sometimes the old dog dooes old tricks 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641/262 "2010-05-06T00:59:35Z")
Discussion: Ok, lets talk oil based mixes. I know I have mentioned this before…I need to make an oil based social mix. I truly hate going to the bathroom and spraying on refresher sprays when I am out. It sucks returning from the bathroom smelling you are trying to hide some type of stank or something. Most of my mixes contain P74, anol, and TAA, normally worn with none. The draw back is that those 3 are some of the quickest to wear off. That, alot of times, can leave you with heavy -none and not alot of buffers. So, lets use an ICM as an example. After 2 1/2 - 3 hrs P74, anol, and TAA are pretty much gone. [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/), TAC and -none and scent still remain. Instead of going into the bathroom to spray refresher shots and smell like a whore, why not make an oil based mix with just the 3 and roll it on in the bathroom to buffer the remaining -none. What do you all think? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641.md?page=12) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-pherocios-findings-the-journal-of-jessejester/27641.md?page=14)