# My recent experience with IS AMMO p75 P74 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 27, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-recent-experience-with-is-ammo-p75-p74/58867 "2013-04-27T23:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-recent-experience-with-is-ammo-p75-p74/58867/4 "2013-04-28T06:38:44Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > This is what i did.. First I sprays p75 1 spray to front of neck (2.5 mcg) then I sprayed ammo world 1 spray (2x strength) to front of neck, then I sprayed p74 (2.5 mcg) 1 spray to each side of neck, then I sprayed IS 2 sprayed to each side of neck. > > I always heard IS is a great TOPPER to any mix which is why I topped off my mix with it. > > I’m keeping the ammo at 1 spray (2x strength) , the IS 4 sprays may be attracting to young a woman, p75 2.5 mcg may be too beta with p74 thrown in so I may need to up to 5.0 mcg, and p74 gives me great results at 5.0 mcg , either I leave it there or reduce even more to 2.5 mcg . This is the confusing part.. Will 5.0 p75 and 2.5 p74 have any effect.. Without trial and error (and I don’t have the time) its hard for me to find out. > > Anyone tried 5.0 p75 and 2.5 p74.. Did the p74 still shine through? > > Or was it crushed by the other mones into oblivion? I really don’t think anything below 10 mcg total application of P74 is enough to be of any consequence. I’ve used double the amount of NONE and P75 you’re talking about here. P74 is one where you get female benefits and men are a nuisance. It’s value as either a NONE or 75 buffer is limited. My point was that you’ve nearly reached the limits of the permutations with these three layering. You’re probably going to undershoot or overshoot the mark somewhere. When you reach a mix ratio, you can then adjust the number of sprays. For example, do you know what ratio NONE to 75 produces the most consistent results for you? For me, 1:3 is least likely to OD and most to keep the benefits of both. However, one target will want 1 mcg of NONE and the other 3 or more. There should also be a ratio of Shine to these other two. Think of it this way: three sprays of AMMO ups the NONE but keeps the buffer ratios the same. Going to three sprays gives you hefty NONE at 7.5, but the 7.5 of alphanol merely provides steering in the **mix**. If you used raw NONE instead, you might need 20 mcg alphanol to see anything. Let me go a step further: I don’t think there is such as thing as a universal NONE sweet spot. It is a question of acceptable ranges and ratios. The sweet spot is target specific. My range for 75 is generally 2-8 mcg. However, 74 is not satisfactory as a buffer for 5 micro gram NONE and 7.5 of 75. Neither is Shine, I don’t think. They are slightly helpful. To complicate matters, the high NONE, 75 and any amount of 74 is potentially Alpha Gay Male Kool Aid. 74 by itself is as well. Even 75 can be. If you are to stick with only AMMO, Shine and 75, using a 2 or 3:1 - 75/NONE ratio will help keep guys away. This gets oppressive with women, but lots of Shine may help. Women perceive the high NONE/75 as oppressive. That’s the problem; meanwhile, some (5-10%) guys drink it. I also think women are **used to** high NONE–it’s not rare to them. 75 is rare to them, and you should treat it like NONE. If you use 5 micros 75 and 5 of NONE, you’re pretty much using IJ. Shine **will not** buffer this, IME. Back off the 75 or NONE if they are not in a mix. See this: > [@ICM 1a and 1b Night](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1a-and-1b-night/48857): > > Been a while since I posted so here is one night’s adventures: Myself: Mid 40’s, Athletic, Married What: 3 sprays of Steve’s ICM 1a mix (Blue Bottle) 2 sprays of Steves ICM 1b mix (Blue Bottle) Both around upper chest, lower neck, a touch on wrists and back of neck Mrs. BH and I go out for the evening: dinner, music, dancing … you know the drill. We go to one place we hit fairly often where they play live music. The music is good but it tends to be the same although sometimes they do surpr… TAA and 74 aren’t enough for the NONE you’re talking about, much less with 75 atop that. Mixing them might take the edge off, but you still need TAC or maybe alphanol as well. That’s me. I don’t think AMMO is buffered enough for me, making it too hit or miss. I need my own mixes to get results. For the record, I tried every permutation of AMMO, P74 and P75 I could conceive. I finally gave up in favor of TAC and mixing. My record for upper-limits testing is 60 micros 75 and [Molecule C](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) with 20 of NONE. Would you believe some gay guys like this? And none of the straight guys wanted to fight. But, if I swap 74 for TAC, gays like it more, and women ghost. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-recent-experience-with-is-ammo-p75-p74/58867)._