# My thoughts on MX297 - Alpha Female **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 9, 2010, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523 "2010-09-09T03:44:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![larson07](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9d8465/32.png) [@larson07](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/larson07)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/1 "2010-09-09T03:44:21Z")
Hey guys, I don’t really post here but I’ve been experimenting with pheros off and on for about a year now. The product that has given me the most blatant hits and has really intrigued me is [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). I’d like to share my theory about it. First off, I would like to say that this product increases status in an unbelievable fashion. I have tested 4 togo bottles and I know for a fact it can bring you from the guy in back of the party to the person everyone loves to be around within seconds of application. It’s fun as hell (AT FIRST). Wearing 3 sprays, I get IOI’s from everybody at every party I attend, and many DIHL looks from women [college parties, ages ~19-23]. However, none of these women want to hook up. They all want to impress me, claim me as their own, and dance. Then, they all want to hook me up with their best friend. I have also noticed that my friends get laid more often when I wear MX297. My theory is that MX297 transforms you into a totally fun Alpha female. I’m not joking. Guys don’t ever get angry with you because you have high status and they never seem to get aggressive. I have even had straight guys buy me drinks at the bar while wearing MX297. Women want to impress you and hook you up with their best friends. They love dancing with you. They will tell you that you can have any girl you want (except them I guess). These are things I have absolutely seen women doing to their alpha counter parts. They also feed off my status and take it as a pre-approval for my friends. In fact, the women that do this the most seem to be the total babes with somewhat beta personalities who would definitely try to hang with (and please) a high status chick friend. The status this product delivers is in no way intimidating - it’s completely social. I guess in the end it gets you the closest you can get to the hottest babes without going the distance. That’s the problem. If you have any friends with any decent amount of -none and aren’t total nerds they will be getting laid for being preselected for having such a cool friend and you will be going home lonely. I believe mixing MX297 with more “masculine” feeling products provides a good balance for this. In my opinion, it makes you seem like the man with a totally awesome girlfriend. Example: A314+MX297 = The man with his shit together. He has it all. He even just got done snuggling with his cool ass girlfriend. Let me know if you think this theory is plausible. Thanks all, take care. Keep up the good testing! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/2 "2010-09-09T03:48:13Z")
I think I will use [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) to get closer to girls. Once in awhile, during a night out, I can throw in a couple AMMO or/and TUTH, and I am pretty sure it can lead to something interesting 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/3 "2010-09-09T03:54:33Z")
Definitely an interesting theory. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![larson07](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9d8465/32.png) [@larson07](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/larson07)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/4 "2010-09-09T03:59:39Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > I think I will use MX297 to get closer to girls. Once in awhile, during a night out, I can throw in a couple AMMO or/and TUTH, and I am pretty sure it can lead to something interesting 😉 This is a great idea and I have tried it myself. If your goal is to get close to girls, there is no better way than [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). Just note (as you said) that you will need additional products or very good game to initiate something that you may not want as a relationship (I could see MX297 working totally stand alone if your goal is to find LTR - you become extremely fun to hang out with). ---
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/5 "2010-09-09T04:13:48Z")
That’s an interesting take on 297 as a stand alone. I’ve seen 297 as a great base to work with and have been playing around with steering it with other products. I think my more amazing hits have been with 314 and 297 together. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/6 "2010-09-09T06:57:13Z")
That’s one of the best theories I’ve heard on mx297 larson, congrats! Maybe that is why I never liked mx297 as a stand alone, but love it when mixed with beta-nol and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). P83 is a sexual molecule and it might be the one helping steer the mix back to sexual. I have gotten sexual responses with mx297, but always with P83 and a few with added none. I think I’m going to add a couple of A314 drops to my usual 2 sprays of mx297, 5 sprays of IH, and 25-30 mcgs of P83. I’m curious to see what the alpha male A315 vibe will do to the alpha female vibe mx297 might be giving off. ---
**Author:** ![magnum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magnum/32/1423_2.png) [@magnum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magnum)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 11:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/7 "2010-09-09T11:01:56Z")
wow - great thoughts … really matches what i feel with [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)… nominated for TOTW! i just wrote here about my experiences with MX297 - especially the benefits of combining it with A314: > [@MX297 and MX297+A314 observations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-and-mx297-a314-observations/41507): > > I have tested [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) for some time and here are my oservations, tested most times in work environment: friendly respect in a non threatening way, not too masculine co-workers have said “aye aye boss” or “you are right as always” some beta-nolish talk, co-workers told more private stuff at lunch got a few smell compliments “god damn you smell so good” my sister insisted of knowing that smell - she thought i wore the perfume “1 million dollar” (Paco Rabanne) sometimes girls taking… I wasn’t going so far to really think about a “Alpha Female vibe” but in the end that is probably what i meant by comparing it with MX203/P93. MX203 also gave me great proximity effects and girls hanging around, compared to MX297 there was not so much status but way more childish giggling and behaviour like a little sister would feel SAVE and behave in a very comfy and unsexual way… i am not completely sure it felt more like the older sister than the older brother with MX203… but anyways: no sexual tension =\> on the road to becoming best friends ---
**Author:** ![magnum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magnum/32/1423_2.png) [@magnum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magnum)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/8 "2010-09-09T12:31:11Z")
the more i think about it - its somewhat contradictionary… as stated by larson it could be that women see you as alpha female … on the other hand males called me “the boss” and said things like “aye aye sir” which makes clear that they saw me as someone important in a masculine way (at least the male reactions didn’t feel “feminine”)… i also thought maybe its not a FEMALE ALPHA vibe but maybe the women see you as too good for them and therefore don’t let it progress further - but that doesn’t make sense either because [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) works better with A314 for me … so if they felt i had too much status with MX297 then A314 should worsen it status wise not maybe balance it out somehow… Maybe with MX297 solo men see you as one of them, but more important AND women also see you as one of them, but more important that makes most sense to me at this time… any other thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/9 "2010-09-09T13:23:49Z")
Said the same thing in my journal weeks ago. Nice observations ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 1:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/10 "2010-09-09T13:49:01Z")
Great report man… I hadn’t tested it enough to see all of this, but I think I stopped using it a while back because of this… I will have to test this again with A314/ammo possibly. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/11 "2010-09-09T13:56:13Z")
Instead of giving a alpha female vibe, could it be giving more of a protective big brother/father vibe? Along with maybe some socials and sexual? This would describe the way women are treating guys with this product, as well as the way other guys are treating men wearing [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/12 "2010-09-09T14:04:44Z")
That’s some great stuff. That’s exactly what many men attracted to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) want, to reverse the role of nature. To make women approach them, instead of the vice versa, that kind of thing. I just always told 'em to wear a masculine product and be more bold, since it’s the assertive behavior that sort of “unlocks” women at a deep biological level. For many who’ve had a history of bad social experiences, though, that can be a bit much to push them into. Many people have been “beaten down” and are “gun shy”. Maybe shy men could start with something like MX297, experience more social success, and through after enough positive experiences break through to their next level of social abilities. Or, as you guys are doing, augment MX297 with something a bit more masculine and social so you can have some of the best of worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/13 "2010-09-09T14:07:57Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > That’s some great stuff. That’s exactly what many men attracted to pheromones want, to reverse the role of nature. To make women approach them, instead of the vice versa, that kind of thing. > > I just always told 'em to wear a masculine product and be more bold, since it’s the assertive behavior that sort of “unlocks” women at a deep biological level. > > For many who’ve had a history of bad social experiences, though, that can be a bit much to push them into. Many people have been “beaten down” and are “gun shy”. > > Maybe shy men could start with something like MX297, experience more social success, and through after enough positive experiences break through to their next level of social abilities. Or, as you guys are doing, augment MX297 with something a bit more masculine and social so you can have some of the best of worlds. Everything you just wrote applies to me, but mx297 is only available to reporting users right? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/14 "2010-09-09T14:09:46Z")
> [@magnum](#): > > the more i think about it - its somewhat contradictionary… > > as stated by larson it could be that women see you as alpha female … > > on the other hand males called me “the boss” and said things like “aye aye sir” which makes clear that they saw me as someone important in a masculine way (at least the male reactions didn’t feel “feminine”)… > > i also thought maybe its not a FEMALE ALPHA vibe but maybe the women see you as too good for them and therefore don’t let it progress further - but that doesn’t make sense either because MX297 works better with A314 for me … so if they felt i had too much status with MX297 then A314 should worsen it status wise not maybe balance it out somehow… > > Maybe with MX297 solo men see you as one of them, but more important > AND > women also see you as one of them, but more important > > that makes most sense to me at this time… any other thoughts? That’s a very interesting point, too. Men are obviously treating you as a fellow man. “Alpha Female” may just be a good or even great metaphor, but not a biological reality. That’s okay. We’re all sort of grasping at straws here for awhile when it comes to new mixes and molecules. If we just keep tryin’ as a group to understand these dynamics, we’ll get there. What might you say is a more accurate 1 to 3 word description? One that better summarize your experiences so far? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/15 "2010-09-09T14:11:28Z")
> [@Bolkie](#): > > Everything you just wrote applies to me, but mx297 is only available to reporting users right? Yep. You have 47 posts, so that should apply to you if you’re giving feedback in those posts. You should be at least a conditional reporting user, if not a full one. You should obviously try it no matter what, so by all means, please upgrade. Please send along your email address to the help desk, or call in. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/16 "2010-09-09T14:40:55Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Yep. You have 47 posts, so that should apply to you if you’re giving feedback in those posts. You should be at least a conditional reporting user, if not a full one. > > You should obviously try it no matter what, so by all means, please upgrade. Please send along your email address to the help desk, or call in. Thanks alot ! I will contact the help desk via the store help section. ---
**Author:** ![andy8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@andy8](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andy8)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/17 "2010-09-09T15:28:48Z")
Very interesting theory. I’ve used it on two occassions. One time I had 3 MX297, 2 IS and 1 Ammo with pre-drink being 6 girls and 2 guys. All the girls were clearly looking at me as a really fun cool friend of theirs. Eventually, they got drunk and started taking pictures in very sexual lesbo poses. Also two guys came in for like 15 minutes and were leaving for a movie, I suggested them to watch another movie, while the other girl said my suggested movie was boring, they ended up going with what i suggested. Same night I came up to the bar stand where there was a girl and her bf. They just got 2 drinks and the gf took them both and was about to pass one to me randomly, but I refused. Again same night, the girl from pre-drink just got all over me, smelling where I applied Ammo and things escalated from there. Second time was 3 MX297, 2 IS, 1 TUTH. Pre-drink was with 2 guys, one friend of mine and one friend of his i never met. Once I got over there, they started talking about picking up girls non-stop, especially the guy I just met, as if he was trying to prove to me that he is good with women. Usually when I predrink with my friend, we don’t talk THAT much about picking up girls. The bar though was full of girls between 4-7 out of 10. Don’t think I saw a single very hot girl. They were all between 18-22 years of age (I’m 21), but not much happened at the bar, except my friends telling other girls how fucking cool I am and then 1 girl started trying really hard to hook me up with other girls. So, both times I have a feeling that by the time I got to the bar, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) has already worn off (since it lasts about 2 hours) and all I was left with was 3 MX297 and 1 AMMO/TUTH. Considering the crowd and my age, AMMO is much better than TUTH for me and TUTH on top of 3 MX297 (which might be too much for me in itself) made me OD with none. In conclusion, MX297 might indeed be giving that alpha female vibe and all you need is right touch of -none to make things escalate. I’m gonna try out lower doses of MX297 once university starts though. ---
**Author:** ![magnum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magnum/32/1423_2.png) [@magnum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magnum)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/18 "2010-09-09T18:16:57Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > That’s a very interesting point, too. Men are obviously treating you as a fellow man. > > “Alpha Female” may just be a good or even great metaphor, but not a biological reality. That’s okay. We’re all sort of grasping at straws here for awhile when it comes to new mixes and molecules. If we just keep tryin’ as a group to understand these dynamics, we’ll get there. > > What might you say is a more accurate 1 to 3 word description? One that better summarize your experiences so far? i think [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) solo = important friend MX297 + A314 = potential mate (LTR material) ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/19 "2010-09-09T18:45:39Z")
That’s about the same reaction that I got from [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) when mixing with Putatives and consumer line. It seemed like you had a “glass ceiling” when it came to escalation. I should have done the tests of MX301 + MX297 to see how that was going to work. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523/20 "2010-09-09T21:02:28Z")
Those of you who have p83 I recommend you try a combo of this and mx297. Two sprays of mx297 and somewhere around 25 mcgs of p83 is a good place to start. I’m really interested to see what you guys get out of this combo and how potentially sexual it can be. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-thoughts-on-mx297-alpha-female/41523.md?page=2)