# natural game or "canned material"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [January 4, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092 "2008-01-04T01:08:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aleksander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@aleksander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aleksander)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/1 "2008-01-04T01:08:32Z")
pheromones or not, we all have game. Any guy got some cind of a pua inside his head. we all got a teori on how to get the girl. Ive been a pua for a cople of months now, and after some suksesses and a lot of crash and burn. i feel that it´s very important to have canned material at least the first 10 minnutes of convresation. but on dates i think it is important to have natural game. so the question is… what is more important “canned material” or natural game. Just want some opinions ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/2 "2008-01-04T01:21:12Z")
> [@aleksander](#): > > pheromones or not, we all have game. Any guy got some cind of a pua inside his head. we all got a teori on how to get the girl. > > Ive been a pua for a cople of months now, and after some suksesses and a lot of crash and burn. i feel that it´s very important to have canned material at least the first 10 minnutes of convresation. but on dates i think it is important to have natural game. > > so the question is… what is more important “canned material” or natural game. > > Just want some opinions Natural game, every time. I’ve never liked canned material; you’re programming yourself like a computer, and like a machine, you will stumble and fall when you run up against something your “programming” hasn’t allowed for. Some PUA manuals that try to change the way you think and behave, as opposed to simply handing out scripted scenarios - whether taken from the author’s experiences or not - are a lot more useful. They allow you to come up with your own game using your new mindset. Not everyone’s a good actor. Women can tell if you’re running a script in your head. Musk ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/3 "2008-01-04T01:22:38Z")
> [@aleksander](#): > > pheromones or not, we all have game. Any guy got some cind of a pua inside his head. we all got a teori on how to get the girl. > > Ive been a pua for a cople of months now, and after some suksesses and a lot of crash and burn. i feel that it´s very important to have canned material at least the first 10 minnutes of convresation. but on dates i think it is important to have natural game. > > so the question is… what is more important “canned material” or natural game. > > Just want some opinions Some “prepared” material is always handy. I try to keep some jokes or comments in my “mental file” for base material, but past the first few lines, “canned” material will stand out as just that, and you will find any intelligent (someone worth knowing) woman looking for someone else to talk to. Try to keep up on current events, fashion, TV shows, and so forth. Maybe something a little unusal. I like to check various home pages like Yahoo, AOL, or other places that have news headlines or stories of interest. It’s important to me to develop your “natural game”/“natural self.” If you don’t come across as “genuine” with a mind of your own others are likely to quickly lose interest in you. More like as not you will do a lot of crash and burn, but then again you want to attract the best don’t you? You can be surrounded by a lot of average people, or a few high-quality people. Go for the common big crowd, or go for the standout rare gems. Your choice. Just some thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![DrZorters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@DrZorters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrZorters)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/4 "2008-01-04T01:33:52Z")
I agree. Canned material is useful for the first few minutes. It helps to control the conversation and make it predictable. Beyond that you will be much more comfortable in your conversation with your own game and so will your target. It would be like trying to become a Head Chef at a restaurant and only knowing how to make a few appetizers. DrZorters ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/5 "2008-01-04T01:35:05Z")
Ah dunno but I first carefully observe and just say what pops into my head and is appropriate for the situation. Seems to work fine for me. Canned material is boring as I’d prefer to react to the situation and enjoy myself. No fun in reciting lines. Of course “appropriate for the situation” is the gotcha. Obviously talking to a Ph.D at a systematic musicology conference involves some differences compared to a HS dropout at a bimbo fest. If you have trouble thinking of something to talk about, you need to study the world around you. Plenty of material. Maybe a drama improv class might help. I took several and it helped free my mind in new situations. Plus, it often isn’t what you say, but how you say it that counts for first impressions. You won’t have to put your money where your mouth is until later. As for “crash and burn,” realize that most decent women are in relationships and aren’t available anyway. Having honed your skills on a stranger is a good thing–not a “crash and burn”–and might even lead to friendship or important social and/or business connections. I’ve actually gotten a few gigs and referrals from seemingly pointless pickup conversations. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/6 "2008-01-04T03:36:31Z")
I can’t single out any one post …'cause they’re all so great! Whatever you want to achieve in life, that’s important to you, requires both preparation AND being yourself. You’re right we can smell the ‘canned’ stuff a miiiiiiile away…and at least we think you’re insincere…or a jerk. You’re also right about ‘boning up your shakespeare’…know where you’re going, and with whom, and act accordingly. If you need to ask a question, open a book or search the internet or ask someone who knows…like we ask our our friends here 🙂 …so you can speak on a relavent subject with the company you keep. This is tantamount to success. Nothing’s more attractive than your ‘natural’ self. If you can’t be real with a woman you’re interested in and have her like the real you, there’s not much hope for a substantial relationship, if that’s what your looking for… The canned stuff has it’s place, but see it for what it is…a lesson on the way to self improvement and a way of achieving your objectives. The lesson doesn’t work you, you work the lesson. Make it genuine, make it personal… delievered by YOU. That’s what we’re looking for… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/7 "2008-01-04T06:13:52Z")
I think that canned material can be used if this is somkething like well imprinted gestures, behaviour patterns.NOT sentences, situation patterns at all.It’s useless to remember some situation with chance to occur 1 to 1 000 000 000 000 000, right?But if you can teach yourself to be an actor ( take some drama classes if you need) you can easly switch trought personalities and find the right one suitable to the girl you’re trying to hook up with.This is actor’s improvisatin.VERRY HARD(i took some drama classes and can tell you it’s not easy at all), but only such kind of improvisation can help you pick up many and different type of girls.Being natural ( yourself) is good too but u’re limiting yourself only to the girls who like such type of guys like you.If u’re good at acting, act with alittle canned material ( acting tecniques) and alot of immprovisation.If u cannot act be natural and use it as a weapon. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/8 "2008-01-04T13:59:49Z")
Natural game. I guess the “canned material” may be a starting point for some ideas but in the end it is ALL YOU. Rbt and Gegogi hit it on the head and Bella backs it up with a woman’s perspective. It’s kinda like school. Everything you learned in school is background material to make you a functional adult in society. But you cannot make a living just by knowing all that info. You have to take all the pieces and apply whatever is appropriate to the given situation or job. After a while experience starts kicking in and then you get real good. Same thing with social interactions. The canned material may be a starting point - ie. first couple lines, but then Rbt & Gegogi’s advice kicks in. Knowing what is going on in the world around you, a little something about whatever is directly afoot, combined with sufficient self-awareness to know what works for you will make you socially successful. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/9 "2008-01-04T20:35:27Z")
Thanks Holmes and bosshank!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Goukix0x](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/goukix0x/32/1943_2.png) [@Goukix0x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Goukix0x)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/10 "2008-01-04T23:54:08Z")
Natural game is far superior, why? I studied and practiced MM for about 4 months and had it down pretty well. But for all my canned lines, there would always be a girl who would say or do something that would be so out of bounds, none of my lines would make sense. It takes several seconds to realize that you’ll actually have to think for once (canned material eventually becomes reflex) and by that time your already screwed ( if she is a HB9-10) I have been practicing natural game for the past 2 months and have to say it works far better. I don’t have to worry about a woman saying something that I can’t rebound. An added benefit is that i’m a lot more genuine and I think they can feel that. Whatever, in the end it’s up to you, but IMO natural is the way to go. ---
**Author:** ![Goukix0x](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/goukix0x/32/1943_2.png) [@Goukix0x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Goukix0x)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/11 "2008-01-04T23:59:38Z")
O BTW if you do choose the “unnatural methods” DO NOT use the suggested lines. You will look like an idiot if she heard them before. Make your own, it may take some time, but I think the time spent there is better than the time spent getting laughed at. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/12 "2008-01-05T00:54:18Z")
> [@Goukix0x](#): > > O BTW if you do choose the “unnatural methods” DO NOT use the suggested lines. You will look like an idiot if she heard them before. > … UNLESS you are using some very tired and cliche lines in an obviously joking manner… But it will depend on the person you are saying them to. If you deliver a really _old_ _bad_ “pickup line” with an obvious roll of the eyes type expression thing and they pick up on it as a joke, then you probably have a person with a sense of humor who may be fun to be with. If they can’t pick up on it or “fail to see the humor in it” I’m not sure I would even want to continue the conversation. If someone isn’t on the same “wavelength” as I am I don’t think I’d enjoy myself being with them and it would be a waste of my time. Got better things to do. Been there, done that. In a manner of speaking, using those “canned” lines in such a manner IS being “natural” for me as it’s my “natural” sense of humor and outlook. ---
**Author:** ![Elevation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a8b319/32.png) [@Elevation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elevation)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-game-or-canned-material/8092/13 "2008-01-05T14:27:36Z")
> [@Goukix0x](#): > > O BTW if you do choose the “unnatural methods” DO NOT use the suggested lines. You will look like an idiot if she heard them before. > > Make your own, it may take some time, but I think the time spent there is better than the time spent getting laughed at. Maybe someone who uses MM successfully can chime in here, but I thought this was the point of MM. Just like Ross Jeffries says his patterns are not meant to be followed word for word, I never got the impression that Mystery expected you to seduce women the same way every single time (unless you want to). He gives you guidelines and signposts to hit along the way - isolate here, give value here - but how you do it is up to you. Like a jazz musician, you don’t know the notes you’re going to hit, but you know the melody you’re going to follow.