# need a quick help!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 9, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258 "2012-11-09T22:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![darkclaw3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ec9cab/32.png) [@darkclaw3000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkclaw3000)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/1 "2012-11-09T22:51:41Z")
i’m meeting a girl later which i like, she’s older then me by a year. she treats me like a close friend, a “bro”. i’m trying to get her to start liking me. for further background about us, we gettin kinda close, our conversation have gone to talk openly about sex and stuffs, sometimes i joke with her about giving each other oral sex and she would be shy about it. maybe not shy but, she wouldnt be mad and stuffs, even when i joke in front of our friends. from what i know, i think she trusts me. i’m not trying to get in her pants, (at least not yet!!) but just wanna see her start to like me and see me differently. here are the pheros that i got. can someone recommend me a good combo to work on her?? [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) 1.29a [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) , IS, [IO](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (1x str) [IG](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (2x str) [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (2x str) [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) (ver1.1, str 2.5mcg) **others** : [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) [P102](https://pheromonelabs.com/) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 11:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/2 "2012-11-10T11:18:25Z")
I really hope you take what I’m about to tell you to heart. It comes from seeing so many dudes repeat most of what you’ve said. > [@darkclaw3000](#): > > i’m meeting a girl later which i like, she’s older then me by a year. she treats me like a close friend, a “bro”. Ok, older than you by a year is not a big deal. Treating you like a close friend - also not a bad thing all of the time. > [@darkclaw3000](#): > > i’m trying to get her to start liking me. for further background about us, we gettin kinda close, our conversation have gone to talk openly about sex and stuffs, Ok.. well.. a girl talking to you about sex does not equal interest. A girl who is interested in sex would be more subtle. It just means she feels safe - that you wont actually try to have sex with her. > [@darkclaw3000](#): > > sometimes i joke with her about giving each other oral sex and she would be shy about it. > maybe not shy but, she wouldnt be mad and stuffs, even when i joke in front of our friends. Alright, here we go. She isn’t acting shy - you are embarrassing her and further, you are hurting her trust with you. You do it in front of friends as well? Its not flirting - its harassing. Yes, even friends can feel harassed. > [@darkclaw3000](#): > > from what i know, i think she trusts me. > > _i’m not trying to get in her pants_, (at least not yet!!) but just wanna see her start to like me and see me differently. I don’t believe that for a second - if you want advice, don’t lie - of course you are trying to get into her pants. Own up to that and come clean with her about how you actually feel or walk way, two choices. > [@darkclaw3000](#): > > here are the pheros that i got. can someone recommend me a good combo to work on her?? Sure, pheros can help but what you need is **SUBTLETY**. If you keep pushing on her with the oral sex jokes, especially in front of friends, all you are doing is chipping away at her trust. > [@darkclaw3000](#): > > [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) 1.29a > [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) , IS, [IO](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (1x str) > [IG](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (2x str) > [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (2x str) > [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) (ver1.1, str 2.5mcg) > > **others** : > [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) > [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) > [P102](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Shine, and Instant Openness - build the trust back - _stop being immature with her_ and then you can start to build actual attraction with Ammunition. There you go. ---
**Author:** ![darkclaw3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ec9cab/32.png) [@darkclaw3000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkclaw3000)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/3 "2012-11-10T11:36:29Z")
thx dude! nah i’m alright bro! i’ve had harsher advice before. everyday i’m learning and understanding more of myself, n i personally think that ppl like you that are willing to put the effort to advice are golden. it makes me see myself in another perspective and see where i can improve myself. thank you so much bro! will heed your advice! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/4 "2012-11-10T11:39:20Z")
> [@darkclaw3000](#): > > thx dude! nah i’m alright bro! i’ve had harsher advice before. everyday i’m learning and understanding more of myself, n i personally think that ppl like you that are willing to put the effort to advice are golden. it makes me see myself in another perspective and see where i can improve myself. > > thank you so much bro! will heed your advice! Glad to hear it - just take it slow with her and back down on the jokes a little bit. Trust me, she will come around if she really likes you. Build that trust again by being trustworthy and then build the attraction when the time is right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 11:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/5 "2012-11-10T11:54:17Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Glad to hear it - just take it slow with her and back down on the jokes a little bit. Trust me, she will come around if she really likes you. > > Build that trust again by being trustworthy and then build the attraction when the time is right. 🙂 Great advice, this could be very useful to others in a similar situation. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/6 "2012-11-11T00:17:02Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Glad to hear it - just take it slow with her and back down on the jokes a little bit. Trust me, she will come around if she really likes you. > > Build that trust again by being trustworthy and then build the attraction when the time is right. 🙂 He should have built ATTRACTION first before first. It will be VERY VERY tough to climb out of that friend zone 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![darkclaw3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ec9cab/32.png) [@darkclaw3000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkclaw3000)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/7 "2012-11-11T00:30:30Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > He should have built ATTRACTION first before first. It will be VERY VERY tough to climb out of that friend zone 🙂 now I’m confused.. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/8 "2012-11-11T00:57:50Z")
> [@darkclaw3000](#): > > now I’m confused.. I meant, you should have built attraction before comfort 😉 Girls need to respect or be attracted to you before comfort is established, or else they will put you in a LJBF category ---
**Author:** ![darkclaw3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ec9cab/32.png) [@darkclaw3000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkclaw3000)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/9 "2012-11-11T06:32:27Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > I meant, you should have built attraction before comfort 😉 > > Girls need to respect or be attracted to you before comfort is established, or else they will put you in a LJBF category ooooook.. so what do i do now? ---
**Author:** ![kendallb183](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@kendallb183](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kendallb183)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/10 "2012-12-30T20:08:36Z")
I tried to be the best friend I could be but when I had opportunities to show sexual interest I really went for it. It worked. worst case, Jealousy is the number one thing that makes a girl go… why am I jealous? Oh, I guess I do like him… Go to the club and dance with her, be very kino… but slow don’t startle her make her curious I guesss. Don’t take her shit though. ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/11 "2012-12-30T21:53:08Z")
You know what strikes me as strange… I personally have never been in a friend zone with the opposite sex, ever… Infact i have never had a female friend that I dont engage with sexually. Grant it i do have good female friends, just not since i was 12 did i have any for platonic relationships. even the ones that are hitched.. I never though about this until i read this thread ---
**Author:** ![darkclaw3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ec9cab/32.png) [@darkclaw3000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkclaw3000)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/12 "2012-12-31T02:56:27Z")
> [@evilcalyptic](#): > > you know what strikes me as strange… > > I personally have never been in a friend zone with the opposite sex, ever… Infact i have never had a female friend that i dont engage with sexually. Grant it i do have good female friends, just not since i was 12 did i have any for platonic relationships. Even the ones that are hitched.. > > I never though about this until i read this thread tell us ur secret master! ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/13 "2012-12-31T03:06:36Z")
Honestly I dont know, this is how it always ends up for me Ill also state that if i woke up tomorrow with no sex drive, I wouldnt have a single female friend at all. I think that all my relationships with females (-family) are driven by sexual desire. I have one current friend right now by the name of kathryn, whome to me is a female reflection of myselfin personallity. I realise that all females im friends with are like her and subsequently are my friend and sexual partner. But never platonic, once a girl finds her roots or settles and theres no option for sex i think i subconsciously move on. But to be honest in my mind a platonic relationship is fiction. females are always willing for sex no matter what, it just has to be with right person. I have no feeling of love, just feelings of friendship. when you think of sex like eating food or using the latrine it puts it into a perspective for you. Its just like anything else and friends help you, just as i take kathryn out to eat and have fun i also pleasure her at night (and sometimes morning). I personally attract and am attracted to females looking for a male friend in a sexual way, aswell as for fun and bullshite and all the other crap friends are for. I think this is the only way to explain it. So of the past 6 girls i have met, all 6 of them are friends and all six of them i have shagged and could still do so if i pleased, and 1 of them is a good friend whome I actually am going out with tonight for some bubbles. Ill add also in essance that I only use [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) as ice breakers or when im lazy and want more girls to approach me rather than the reverse. Most of the time i find that sexual partners are gained naturally and not through the use of pheromones, to me its hard to determine how much of an effect if at all they have on getting me laid. Honestly having decent looks, being confident with a sense of humour, Dressing very well, and my accent are all way more powerful than any pheromone. the nose or rather the olfactory bulb is only one sense. why limit yourself to that. ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-quick-help/57258/14 "2012-12-31T03:07:05Z")
Honestly I dont know, this is how it always ends up for me Ill also state that if i woke up tomorrow with no sex drive, I wouldnt have a single female friend at all. I think that all my relationships with females (-family) are driven be sexual desire. I have one current friend right now by the name of kathryn, whome to me is a female reflection of myselfin personallity. I realise that all females im friends with are like her and subsequently are my friend and sexual partner. But never platonic, once a girl finds her roots or settles and theres no option for sex i think i subconsciously move on. But to be honest in my mind a platonic relationship is fiction. females are always willing for sex no matter what, it just has to be with right right person. I personally attract and am attracted to females looking for a male friend in a sexual way, aswell as for fun and bullshite and all the other crap friends are for. I think this is the only way to explain it. So of the past 6 girls i have met, all 6 of them are friends and all six of them i have shagged and could still do so if i pleased, and 1 of them is a good friend whome I actually am going out with tonight for some bubbles.